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Old 14th March 2011, 00:14   #16
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i was always wondering, we give so much importance to ABS in cars. i always thought that bikes need them more than car.

and Voila TVS gets them to us.

1. Suzuki Shaolin - 1st 5 speed bike

2. Suzuki Shogun - 1st high torque @low rpm concept. it climbs the ghat all the way in 4th gear. what a bike it was

3. Fiero - a fast smooth engine with digital ignition

4. Victor - amongst the decade old donkey technology of splendor which honda is still using, victor got 110 cc, 8.5 bhp digital ignition, linear power delivery with awesome low end torque with mileage of 75+. it drives @ 20kmph in 4th gear without knocking like splendors and cd100s.

TVS - Suzuki has always been the pioneers of engineering. apart from bikes TVS has a vast expertise in all sorts of industries.
They have learnt the most from Japanese partners.

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Kudos to TVS for taking the game to the leader 'Bajaj Pulsar' and waving their flag.

I strongly feel the need for a pro 250cc bike. But the ABS RTR 180 is still a great move.

Kudos to them. It is the Apache and Pulsar having a free run in performance biking segment with Yamaha still playing catch up using 150cc engines.
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Wow wonderful move by TVS!

I like how they are technologically savvy, without having a backing from Jap Big 4! We have their Wego, and the suspension and balance is simply confidence inspiring.

Coming back to the Bike, is it a similar crappy mechanical ABS system like Honda's CBR 250, where brakes on both the wheels are applied together? (Combined ABS?)
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Coming back to the Bike, is it a similar crappy mechanical ABS system like Honda's CBR 250, where brakes on both the wheels are applied together? (Combined ABS?)
And Honda has the audacity to charge 30K for it!

Still it would be nice if you could elaborate on the mechanical part, and why you consider it crappy.

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i was always wondering, we give so much importance to ABS in cars. i always thought that bikes need them more than car.

and Voila TVS gets them to us.

1. Suzuki Shaolin - 1st 5 speed bike

2. Suzuki Shogun - 1st high torque @low rpm concept. it climbs the ghat all the way in 4th gear. what a bike it was

3. Fiero - a fast smooth engine with digital ignition

4. Victor - amongst the decade old donkey technology of splendor which honda is still using, victor got 110 cc, 8.5 bhp digital ignition, linear power delivery with awesome low end torque with mileage of 75+. it drives @ 20kmph in 4th gear without knocking like splendors and cd100s.

TVS - Suzuki has always been the pioneers of engineering. apart from bikes TVS has a vast expertise in all sorts of industries.
They have learnt the most from Japanese partners.

You forgot that famous twin sparkplug bike that got them into trouble with Bajaj and of course the Jive.
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Old 14th March 2011, 08:32   #21
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Good move by TVS by bringing the market first ABS bike.

BTW where is this HECU mounted on the bike. Also when the ABS kicks in will there be jerks experienced?
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Good move by TVS by bringing the market first ABS bike.

BTW where is this HECU mounted on the bike. Also when the ABS kicks in will there be jerks experienced?
its mounted just under tank on right side near battery . i think there will be pulses on levers like any other abs system .

@ sids911 its not c-abs like honda
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Apache is one of my favorite bike for innovation in India atleast. The ABS just shows TVS is serious about bringing in more features for a bike costing around 80K.

Very impressed with TVS.

I would like to see bigger/fatter engine from TVS on a cruiser at a highly competetive price unlike 30L range of HD.
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2. Suzuki Shogun - 1st high torque @low rpm concept. it climbs the ghat all the way in 4th gear. what a bike it was
Hi Amit,

Shogun was never high torque at low RPM bike, it delivered max torque at 8250 RPM (11.4 Nm) and max power (14 Bhp) at 8500 RPm.

Also it was the first India bike with Catalytic Converter.
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- The Apache RTR ABS, is also equipped with a RLP (Rear Wheel Lift-off Protection) system which regulates deceleration when the bike is likely to lift off during emergency braking situations and takes over control, with no loss of stopping distance.
^^ One question : HOW is that possible?

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^^ One question : HOW is that possible?

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You know I was wondering about that myself.

I think, for the rear wheel to lift...the front needs to lock... So, by preventing that with ABS action...you now have a anti-lift.

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TVS was a spirited motorcycle maker, from the days of the legendary rivalary of Shogun and the RX, thier spirit in rally circles ,during chilling nights waiting to render help to the racing Shogun.s in the hills of Munnar , TVS as a team was always special. Now they are proving the point once again
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I think, for the rear wheel to lift...the front needs to lock... So, by preventing that with ABS action...you now have a anti-lift.
Ah. maybe that is what they mean.

Though i think its quite possible to lift the rear wheel without front wheel lock too. If the system was just to prevent rear wheel lift in all cases it would definitely affect braking distances negatively. So i guess this is just a happy byproduct of the ABS, and not really a feature/system?

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Default Re: TVS Apache RTR 180 ABS launched! First Indian bike with ABS

When the wheels lock. The suspension moves ahead hence we get what we call a wheelie. But this does not stop the bike from skidding forward and covering distance.

When the wheels do not lock, the suspension is still travelling forward. Hence the distance travelled is less and the rear does not lift up.

This is my understanding but I might be wrong.
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Ah. maybe that is what they mean.

Though i think its quite possible to lift the rear wheel without front wheel lock too. If the system was just to prevent rear wheel lift in all cases it would definitely affect braking distances negatively. So i guess this is just a happy byproduct of the ABS, and not really a feature/system?

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Hmm...yes like a rolling stoppie?..Not sure how they can prevent that without bleeding pressure from the front brakes....and that would hurt retardation like you said.
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