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Old 23rd March 2011, 21:23   #46
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IMHO the FZ (16 or S or Fazer) is the ideal bike for you. I too own it, absolutely reliable so far. Its a fill it, shut it, ride it bike. No hassles. And as you said, the handling capabilities it offers are limited only by your skills. Most likely, unless you are a professional stunter or something, you will reach the edge of your handling skills before you reach the end of the bike's handling capabilities.

One more thing I will say: Do test ride ALL the bikes before deciding. One may be awesome, another may be even more awesome. Do the test ride without any preconcieved notions. Bikes feel very very different for different people.

Other than FZ, I would suggest test ride two other bikes: Pulsar 220 and Yam R15. I was actually even more impressed by R15 than FZ in terms of road-hugging and handling (and looks of course), but I got a small shoulder pain in the test ride itself. Two of my friends own it for over a year and they do long trips in it, and they don't feel any trace of any pain. So it really varies from person to person.

Have a fun time, an unhurried fun time choosing. Trust me, this choosing phase is the most fun part of owning it. Don't rush through it .
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Other than FZ, I would suggest test ride two other bikes: Pulsar 220 and Yam R15
From the opening post, i guess Ace is not interested to go beyond a lakh for the bike. R15 will breach the lakh and a few more thousands on top of it. But its a fab bike no doubt. Pinnacle of technology on a street bike!
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Well, if power was one of the main factors that shook you, then a TD of RTR 160/180 will 'literally' blow you away.

It also handles close to the FZ and has amazing top end (120?) and high speed stability.
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From the opening post, i guess Ace is not interested to go beyond a lakh for the bike. R15 will breach the lakh and a few more thousands on top of it. But its a fab bike no doubt. Pinnacle of technology on a street bike!
Yes, but many times the mind does change after test drives . He did mention that it isn't a strict budget, so I want him to test drive all the bikes before making that decision.
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Test driving too many bikes will create nothing but confusion. So one should narrow down his requirements and then choose. There are so many bikes of which we even may be unaware of (say for example, there are numerous bikes in 150CC category and all are good). I would suggest ace to write down his requirements personally and select the bike that fulfills them to maximum possible extent because as we know, no one can be perfect.

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Well, if power was one of the main factors that shook you, then a TD of RTR 160/180 will 'literally' blow you away.
+1 to that.
Even after you hit triple digits, there's lot more juice left in it.

But yes, stock tyres are a big time screw up on this bike. If you were to try some antics with these tyres, I would just say "You managed to screw up THE screw up"
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An RTR-160 with FI or not come along with disc brakes at both the front and rear. You have to ask for it.
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Refer my TD of 180
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Overdrive suggests the Yamaha FZ16 as the most fun to drive motorcycle. Its the lord of the streets, due to its precision braking, easy to pop up wheelies in open parking lots of malls or colonies to impress girls...... and a very forgiving bike (read comfortable) to take out on weekend rides.......its the best bang for your money currently............though opinions may vary.
Well, So to say, I have kinda passed this phase, where I need a bike to impress my college gals/ or any such sweet reason!
More on that after the TD post*

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Oh boy. That's a tough benchmark mate.
Yup, the benchmark is strong!
The vibrations on an otherwise wonderful RTR160 might put you off.
More on that in the TD below.
Bajaj, P220 has more good reviews then bad, never ridden one to actually evaluate it.
Thats on my list. may be this weekend.
My TD List would look like this

1. Yamaha FZ - Done - 4 stars?
2. TVS RTR 160/180 - To Do
3. Bajaj P220 - To Do - Comment: Do it around sun set. Check out the Head lights.*
* Noted buddy!
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Got to this thread a bit late and find that you have already test driven the bike I had in mind when I saw the title!!!

FZ, specially the FZ S, is the way to go given your requirements. FZ S is technically the same as FZ with just cosmetic changes albeit very good cosmetic changes and paint schemes. ..
Nothing comes close to the build quality, handling and the fun to ride factor.
Ya, Now, I can say that with some certainty!

As pointed out, RTR series are great handlers and I would place them a close second to the FZ series but the stock TVS tires suck and also vibrations in the 4-6k rpm range will be irritating. Not sure how well damped they are in the RTR180.

Now, I see what you mean.
Refer TD!

My RTR160 used to give me around 40kmpl in stock condition in the city runs. I always ride fast and hence was happy with the mileage. Of course its a different beast now and am all smiles
What happened? I mean, what happened, that made it a different beast?
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Nice write up on the Yamaha, Ace! Sounds like a really fun bike - and it looks really awesome too! I just wish it came with a round headlight (For that Ducati Monster look )!

Ya, I that would be a nice touch to the bike!
But, hey, the Autobot design Headlight is good too!



Please write about all the other bikes you test-ride!
Sure !! that's the plan

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Hi Ace,

Do check out the GS150R, such a lovely bike.
Bike noted (again).
Will have a TD this week.

And the TD report was good, think this thread is going to be a guide to all the 150CC's in the market
Tanks,
Will try to encompass as many things I can in the segment.
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IMHO the FZ (16 or S or Fazer) is the ideal bike for you. I too own it, absolutely reliable so far. Its a fill it, shut it, ride it bike.
Taken note.
Thanks.

One more thing I will say: Do test ride ALL the bikes before deciding.
..
Bikes feel very very different for different people.
..
Have a fun time, an unhurried fun time choosing. Trust me, this choosing phase is the most fun part of owning it. Don't rush through it .
Good to read that!
Post to explain this too will follow the TD of 180.. Stay tuned!
[quote=abhinav.s;2289571]From the opening post, i guess Ace is not interested to go beyond a lakh for the bike.../QUOTE]
Partially true. But hey.. you know!..


@dhanushs, rajushank84
TDs, I think, will get you very close to the actual feel of the bike you wish to own.
More on that later..

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Test driving too many bikes will create nothing but confusion.
hmm, true for the mortals..
but, then, we are here, all of us to put things to scale,and get the best out..
the closer we get to the options, better and clearer we know them.. helps to take a decision, you/me/we wont regret!, right ?

no one can be perfect.
Lets find the one closest to our expectation!
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But yes, stock tyres are a big time screw up on this bike. If you were to try some antics with these tyres, I would just say "You managed to screw up THE screw up"
O.T. Ok, that was a nice line.. (I remember it, where is it from again?)

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Apache- RTR 180 Test Drive:

First Impression:

I reached my office gate.
and, there was this Pearl white ripped-body-like Rider bike, waiting..
I said, "hmm, looks good.."

The bike stance (when parked, side stand), really starts telling about the kind of bike it is..
You can read it between the lines (on the bike!)
I mean, the edges are sharp, and sculpted in nature..

We all seen the ad, right, the guy, the kid, the scar..
hmm, and It looks like a bike which has a story..

The TD vehicle was pretty new! just a 100Ks on the Odo ( and I believed it! )

The guy was a spirited driver himself, it seemed!
I took the key.. he kept talking.. yabity yabity yaba..
I was looking at the beauty in front of me ( the bike, I mean.)

I took the key from him.. (man, even the key was like a sword! Looong!)
Pushed the whole key into ignition, and established contact with the powerplant on this thing..

The push on the magic button, and .. boy, the Engine came alive !
I mean, I let out a "wow" on hearing that note! (no exaggeration!)
The sound of Hundred and Eighty CC being pushed out of a machine, can be unbelievably capturing!

The Drive:

"Please let go the clutch slowly.."

The bike was in neutral, and the guy was telling me many other things..
Frankly speaking, I wasn't listening!
Too busy checking out the Bike!

So, I revved it a bit.. and It filled the air with ear pleasing decibels!(literally as expected!)

Gear 1-
It leaves everything behind when you accelerate!
the 124 bhp/tonn now makes practical sense now..

the growl of the engine is pleasing.
Very different than the Fz wala note. and <good> different.
Cannot say better/worse, just different.
Racing DNA Unleashed!
The brochure says that..
And, well, the bike shows that!!

One thing, though, I hit the red line ( >9K rpm), and the rpms were rising even further, (but then, I controlled it back to lesser insane 7K rpm.
It seems, the rev limiter isn't in picture with the RTR 180.

The bike effortlessly takes you through all the gears to the top..
And, yes.. shoots like a rocket!
like a damn Rocket!

The Console is pretty neat!
There is a small clock there besides the Speed (digital) indication.
The dial is in white, and needle tries to keep up with engine which can be revved as you please!
The key slot is plain shabby,

I mean, this thing, I dont get.
They will advertise and make a good product, like you know.. the Digital Speedo, and then there is a clock!, and Digital Fuel Indicator.
and, to design the ignition slot, they hire some guy, who has a grudge with TVS!

Ok,
Moving on..
Now, somethings are so obvious..
Like, given that we have nice Double Discs for braking this Fighter plane on road, the braking will be amazing!
And, yes, It is, well..
Again,
a guy is hired, who decides what tyres go on the Apache 180, he is the ignition guy's friend.. and he too has some grudge with TVS!

And, I believe this is 50% damage to an otherwise awesome bike.
I mean, the only two contacts on the road when you drive (are supposed to be so good that, they should not let you eat the tarmac just because you did brake hard!).

And, there I was, doing 30 kmph, and rear tyre leaving marks all over the road when I tried to make sudden stops (albeit, with rear brake only.)
Imagine, the bike not having grip on dry pavement at 30kmph!

but, you hold your brakes judiciously, Front 60% + Rear 40% .. then, you tend to stop faster, safer!

Other than that, the bike dynamics is such,
that it indeed looks like track tested machine!

You flick it left, there you go..
You flick it right, there you go!
I mean, you do whatever you want, its light, its responsive and it will obey!

I loved this part to the core..

I mean, pickup, speed, balance and "driveability" make this beauty a star!

Then there is one more thing to scream about!

Ya, the legendary TVS Apache carry-forward medal, vibrations!
I mean, do they work on the dampening, and those formulas and all that we studied in engineering!
I think, the guys must be as clueless as blind bats in an acoustic auditorium!

I mean, come on..
you got like 2 years.. and this wonderful engine, and, the weight distribution and everything being so awesome.
2 years later, and with this oversquare engine, still, the vibrations are there like as prominent as ever!

Ya, frown all you want, but, these aint going away!
__

All the bashing done above, is sheer anger at how a bike like this can be spoiled and not taken care of, inspite of (I am sure) tonnes of feedback, that might have gone to TVS.

I loved the bike, for what it is.

Nothing can take its credit for being a performance oriented bike.
Nothing does really bother so many fans of this flick_drive, One heck_of_a_stonker_unit!

But, I am considering the bike, as a package..
Its going to be used now, and later.
I would want to drive it, sometimes rip it.
And, One thing I dont want to doubt is the bike's capability!

I want my machine to be a tad more capable than the driver.

In short: This bike is an amazing bike, with obviously impressive line and all..But, I am not sure, how its going to get the edge.


Conclusion:
Overall an amazing bike that will keep you spirited, whatever rpm, whichever gear!
The Apache 180 excels better than expected in couple of departments, only to be let down by some others..

Super pros:
Driveability & Balance are peaked out!
Double discs are very bite-friendly
Riding Stance (5 Stars here are deserved!)

Pros:
Pickup & overall acceleration "let the needle point anywhere!"
Torque at all rpms in is pretty steady..
Mileage (though not primary concern) is promising figures of 45ish in nature! (that's good, isnt it!?)

Cons:
Vibrations are really not expected at 4-6K Rpm and of that magnitude!
Slightest hard tap at the rear disc, can send you skidding to glory/gore!
How cheap are these tyres!?

Seriously
not a thing else comes to mind!

Not that, either of the cons_things are un-solvable!
Just some efforts in right direction from TVS guys.
( I hope they do know about these problems )

I mean, come on.. they have the talent to build this bike, they surely will have the guys who can fix these two things, to make it close to perfect bike!


Workaround:
Take an Apache 180, and drive straight to Tyre Upgrade 17" 110, Tubeless MRF / Zappy , or whichever rubber.

I could seriously consider the Tyre swap (immediately).
But, I would have to live with the vibrations..


If both the problems are solved, I feel this bike has the potential to be the single largest selling legend (after Splendour) for altogether different reasons!

Well, I can say, Apache RTR 180 is One Monster of a bike.

Apache 180 RTR.
Racing DNA unleashed..

care,

Ace.
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Apache- RTR 180 Test Drive:

First Impression:
.................

The sound of Hundred and Eighty CC being pushed out of a machine, can be unbelievably capturing!

No other bike gives out a sweeter sound in stock condition in this category than this bike

The Drive:

"Please let go the clutch slowly.."

And he wasn't kidding. This bike can be a beast to tame for the newbies into biking. With the awful tires, you know what will happen [/indent]
Racing DNA Unleashed!

One thing, though, I hit the red line ( >9K rpm), and the rpms were rising even further, (but then, I controlled it back to lesser insane 7K rpm.
It seems, the rev limiter isn't in picture with the RTR 180.

Probably the only current Indian bike without a rev limiter. The heart of the beast is mighty strong!



You flick it left, there you go..
You flick it right, there you go!
I mean, you do whatever you want, its light, its responsive and it will obey!

I loved this part to the core..

I mean, pickup, speed, balance and "driveability" make this beauty a star!

Just this part made me go for this bike(160) eyes closed.

Then there is one more thing to scream about!

Ya, the legendary TVS Apache carry-forward medal, vibrations!

The worst part of the bike
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@driverace, your opinion about the motorcycle is spot on!.

If at all you prefer the RTR, I would suggest to spend an extra 2.5k and change to 120/80 - 18 MRF Zappers on the rear. I have them and they are like - suppppeerrr grippy when compared to the stock tyres.

The TVS tires upfront is OK.

And, btw, with the RTR its 70-30 braking ratio, even 80-20 works.
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Nice report of Apache.

Did you happen to check out the Apache ABS version? I think its worth to consider that. I guess the premium attached to the ABS version is about 10k.

And as many have suggested, Apache seriously needs a tyre upgrade. MRF Zappers are the way to go.
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Very nice report of the RTR180, Ace. You have a talent for writing!

Its sad to see that TVS are not able to dampen the vibrations in the RTR180 as well. In the city, the most used rpm range will be the 4-6k. And if there are irritating vibes in this band then they lose out on the customers very easily.

TIRES!!! Why do they stick to the crappy tires. Change the tires and you would find a sea of difference.

@dhanushs - RTR180 has 17" inch wheels both front and rear. RTR160 has 17" front and 18" rear wheels


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What happened? I mean, what happened, that made it a different beast?
Long story short, got it modified. Its now effectively 172cc, with a bigger carb, K&N air filter and customized exhaust. The vibes cannot be noticed in any rpm band now in the handle bars. Its evident in the foot pegs but only slightly and much much better than before.
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If at all you prefer the RTR, I would suggest to spend an extra 2.5k and change to 120/80 - 18 MRF Zappers on the rear. I have them and they are like - suppppeerrr grippy when compared to the stock tyres.

Definite step After this dear Bike is bought, (like I had in mind, "the Workaround")
Thanks for the particular 120/80 suggestion (though, would that be 18/17')

The TVS tires upfront is OK.

Umm, ya, can say that,
though could not stress much there "particularly".
But, during crazy_braking_part of the TD, they never lost the contact or my confidence!

And, btw, with the RTR its 70-30 braking ratio, even 80-20 works.
Ya, that's more appropriate I guess, the lesser work you give the rear tyres, the better! ( talking strictly stock!)

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Nice report of Apache.

Did you happen to check out the Apache ABS version? I think its worth to consider that. I guess the premium attached to the ABS version is about 10k.

And as many have suggested, Apache seriously needs a tyre upgrade. MRF Zappers are the way to go.
I forgot to mention that, (thanks for bringing that up)
Actually, the ABS' are not here yet.
Expected this weekend!

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Very nice report of the RTR180, Ace. You have a talent for writing!
Thanks! (Takes a bow)

Its sad to see that TVS are not able to dampen the vibrations in the RTR180 as well. In the city, the most used rpm range will be the 4-6k. And if there are irritating vibes in this band then they lose out on the customers very easily.
well, still there are lot of passionate folks out here (Like you and me!)

TIRES!!! Why do they stick to the crappy tires. Change the tires and you would find a sea of difference.

Their tires are so tired.. like all the time! lolz!

Long story short, got it modified. Its now effectively 172cc, with a bigger carb, K&N air filter and customized exhaust. The vibes cannot be noticed in any rpm band now in the handle bars. Its evident in the foot pegs but only slightly and much much better than before.
Woah, that's good project you did there!
Would like to know more about that!

____

It's afternoon after lunch
My eyes are open, just enough to check if anybody is looking at me.
Almost everybody has flaring_nostrils_and_weird_faces now and then, like we have, when we supress (try_hard_to_supress) our yawns!
Suddenly, Rocky Balboa theme music starts to ring from my pant pocket!
(Ya, that I have on, since one month.. you guessed it - just joined the gym. lolz)
I excuse myself out of the "interesting" meeting, to take the important call!

"Sir, I am Mr.Bajaj from probiking showroom, Bangalore.. I got a lead from my Manager, that you are looking for Pulsar 220.."

"Yaeee!" (Silently)

"When would you like to have the TD of P220?"

"After the first innings is over!?.."

The guy laughs hysterically, and says that's not a problem!
" Would you like a TD of P220 or an Avenger ?."

<Now, now, Has Bajaj hired a right guy or what!>

" Ya, I would like to TD both, actually!.."

"Ok, that's fine. I will come down at your office this evening.."
(Before he could ask, which bike to bring..)
"Oh, then, evening is good.. come with the Avenger.."

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Let's see how it feels like to be god!

Upcoming TD Schedule:

TD Avenger (Evening!)
TD Suzuki GS 150R (Tomorrow)

care,

Ace.

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@dhanushs - RTR180 has 17" inch wheels both front and rear. RTR160 has 17" front and 18" rear wheels
Thanks for the info mate. I was of the impression RTR 180 too has 18" wheels.

In any case, a tire upgrade is highly recommended.
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Update:

TDs done:
Avenger 220 (check!) (Cruise Baby Cruise!)
P220 (check!)
Suzuki GS150R (check!)

Any other suggestions are welcome!
Now, the budget now seems to be a bit more than 75K ( a few grand more.. is ok too.. but still! )
In detail, later today.

TD Schedule:
HH Karizma R (tomorrow)
Honda Unicorn/Dazzler (tomorrow)


care,

Ace.

P.S. Now, when I get a call, there are 12 to 14 eyes rolling, and there are some laughs, and the guys at the office ask me,
"which one now?.."

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