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Old 14th November 2011, 16:32   #1456
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Friends, I am planning to upgrade the speakers. Did anyone in this forum has done it. What was your experience after changing the speakers? Did you see a great difference in the sound quality. Appreciate your feedback.
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Is it the small blue colored one? The tiny one? If yes, it doesn't work. Try the full size cousins. Any one from kingston/transcend and you will be a happy man

A rule of thumb is that most tiny drives without a light won't work. But my PNY worked fine and its the smallest I've seen.
Yes, you are correct Tassem. It's a small one but black in colour. Let me try with one regular size pen drive. Trust that would work fine. Will report in the forum after trying one.

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Friends, I am planning to upgrade the speakers. Did anyone in this forum has done it. What was your experience after changing the speakers? Did you see a great difference in the sound quality. Appreciate your feedback.
I upgraded my audio to all round components. Yes, in the front and back. The difference is awesome. But, I installed my rear components on the rear tray, without any cutting of the metal below. It came out brilliant!

The reason for going the rear tray route was because the rear speakers were very faint when placed in the doors. Moving them to the tray, made a huge difference. And the design you see below was specifically asked for by me, since it looked the best. Almost stock. The black part you see is MDF wrapped in black pleather. The pic does not have the speaker grills installed. These are Boston Acoustics Components from Satya.
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I upgraded my audio to all round components. Yes, in the front and back. The difference is awesome. But, I installed my rear components on the rear tray, without any cutting of the metal below. It came out brilliant!

The reason for going the rear tray route was because the rear speakers were very faint when placed in the doors. Moving them to the tray, made a huge difference. And the design you see below was specifically asked for by me, since it looked the best. Almost stock. The black part you see is MDF wrapped in black pleather. The pic does not have the speaker grills installed. These are Boston Acoustics Components from Satya.
Nice update. I wanted the rear speakers to be in the tray too, but did not want it to rattle - and hence the speakers sit pretty in the doors.

As for the USB problem - I have a Major problem - I use an iPod Touch 16GB (with around 1300 songs) with both the USB/Aux cable combo. Every 4th/5th song (on the random mode, always) later, the source switched to FM automatically. I then have to manually switch to the AUX source, and hit Random again. This has been the case throughout the life of the car.

When I informed the A-S-S about it, all they could tell me is that they tried their own iPod and pen drives, and it did not happen to them. They told me that it was probably because of the number of songs and the 16gb capacity! Of course, I do not buy this jazz from them. Any idea what the problem might be?
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Nice update. I wanted the rear speakers to be in the tray too, but did not want it to rattle - and hence the speakers sit pretty in the doors.

As for the USB problem - I have a Major problem - I use an iPod Touch 16GB (with around 1300 songs) with both the USB/Aux cable combo. Every 4th/5th song (on the random mode, always) later, the source switched to FM automatically. I then have to manually switch to the AUX source, and hit Random again. This has been the case throughout the life of the car.

When I informed the A-S-S about it, all they could tell me is that they tried their own iPod and pen drives, and it did not happen to them. They told me that it was probably because of the number of songs and the 16gb capacity! Of course, I do not buy this jazz from them. Any idea what the problem might be?
That's quite strange. My friend had connected an ipod to the car on a trip and it worked fine. And I think it was the 160GB one. The old fat one. But I've never tried an ipod touch. Usually switching happens when there is not enough power being sent to the device. What I would suggest is, get those two pronged ipod cables. The ones that come with two usb on one end and ipod connector on the other. Get a cigarette lighter usb power source and then connect the power only usb to the ciggy adapter and the data+power usb to the car's usb port.

If the switching does not happen then, it means that the Ipod is not able to draw enough power from the car. The adapter and cable together should not cost you more than Rs.250. But the setup may not look as clean as the one cable approach.

Have you tried a normal ipod?

Also, there is absolutely no rattling from the rear tray. I haven't cut the metal underneath. Its tightly padded and there is no scope for movement there. And my biggest worry was proven wrong when there was no significant drop in volume due to the lack of area underneath the speaker.

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I upgraded my audio to all round components. Yes, in the front and back. The difference is awesome. But, I installed my rear components on the rear tray, without any cutting of the metal below. It came out brilliant!

The reason for going the rear tray route was because the rear speakers were very faint when placed in the doors. Moving them to the tray, made a huge difference. And the design you see below was specifically asked for by me, since it looked the best. Almost stock. The black part you see is MDF wrapped in black pleather. The pic does not have the speaker grills installed. These are Boston Acoustics Components from Satya.
The speaker on the rear tray seem to be of 6" size. It seems the size of stock speakers are also of same size. I am badly in need to change the rear speakers alone to a better quality one. Will it improve the rear fill with the fader at the centre?

Did n't you install an amplifier? If so, then stock HU should have good enough sound out put. Any reasons for not going for Oval ( 6"* 9") rear speakers. They seem to produce better sound quality with more bass IMO.

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The speaker on the rear tray seem to be of 6" size. It seems the size of stock speakers are also of same size. I am badly in need to change the rear speakers alone to a better quality one. Will it improve the rear fill with the fader at the centre?

Did n't you install an amplifier? If so, then stock HU should have good enough sound out put. Any reasons for not going for Oval ( 6"* 9") rear speakers. They seem to produce better sound quality with more bass IMO.

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The speakers you see are 6.5". If you change the speakers to better ones and retain the same door location, the imaging will only slightly improve. To get proper rear fill in this car, you must go the tray route or have the fader set to rear.

I do have an amplifier but its not connected yet. The same goes for my sub and its amp. To be honest, I'm very happy with the present setup that I may not add the amp and woofer.

6X9 is good. But it would involve cutting the metal panel underneath the tray which I was dead against. Moreover, I've always loved the warm feel of the Boston Acoustics. I'm so glad Satya suggested me these a year ago.

Everybody who's listened to the audio in the car feel the performance is good. And feel I don't need to change anything. Its not earth shattering by any measure but is a good mile better than stock.
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The speakers you see are 6.5". If you change the speakers to better ones and retain the same door location, the imaging will only slightly improve. To get proper rear fill in this car, you must go the tray route or have the fader set to rear.

I do have an amplifier but its not connected yet. The same goes for my sub and its amp. To be honest, I'm very happy with the present setup that I may not add the amp and woofer.

6X9 is good. But it would involve cutting the metal panel underneath the tray which I was dead against. Moreover, I've always loved the warm feel of the Boston Acoustics. I'm so glad Satya suggested me these a year ago.

Everybody who's listened to the audio in the car feel the performance is good. And feel I don't need to change anything. Its not earth shattering by any measure but is a good mile better than stock.
Are the stock speakers 6.5" size? After installation of rear speakers on the tray, do you keep the fader at the centre or you still need setting it more towards the rear. How much is the total cost you had to incur for this upgradation? Please also let me know how the wiring to the rear speakers done, is it directly from the HU or can wires from the rear door speakers be extended to the tray? Since you had mentioned that there is no rattling problems, I am encouraged to install the rear speakers, that too with out cutting the underneath metal. Since my previous car had an amp & sub woofer with pioneer tweeters, the stock audio quality of my Verna is just rediculous to say the least.

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Are the stock speakers 6.5" size? After installation of rear speakers on the tray, do you keep the fader at the centre or you still need setting it more towards the rear. How much is the total cost you had to incur for this upgradation?

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The stock speakers are 6.25 or 5.25 afaik. After installing the speakers on the tray, the fader was set at the centre.

The speakers cost 4.5k IIRC from Satya (EVO/Blueraven) I bought several other bits from him and cant remember the split. The tray work cost me just 1k all inclusive because I took it directly to the guy who makes the MDF boxes for the wood cutting and then to the guy who does my upholstery for the pleather covers and mounting. Absolute value for money.
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The stock speakers are 6.25 or 5.25 afaik. After installing the speakers on the tray, the fader was set at the centre.

The speakers cost 4.5k IIRC from Satya (EVO/Blueraven) I bought several other bits from him and cant remember the split. The tray work cost me just 1k all inclusive because I took it directly to the guy who makes the MDF boxes for the wood cutting and then to the guy who does my upholstery for the pleather covers and mounting. Absolute value for money.

Thanks Tassem buddy for your reply. Please inform me about the wiring methd to the rear tray speakers that I had requsted for in my earlier post. Boston 6.5" component probably is hard to find here. Please suggest me few alternatives in the order of your preference.

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Thanks Tassem buddy for your reply. Please inform me about the wiring methd to the rear tray speakers that I had requsted for in my earlier post. Boston 6.5" component probably is hard to find here. Please suggest me few alternatives in the order of your preference.

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Anytime Chitta, I didn't see that question when I quoted it. Perhaps you edited the post as I was replying

Anyways, to answer your question, the wiring can be extended from the rear doors as long as you can find a suitable female adapter for the speaker cable. The speaker cables from the HU end in a male connector that is plugged into a female port on the speaker pod. I was able to find something that fit perfectly and hence opted for it.

Alternatively, you can upgrade all the cables. I didn't want to go that route till I went the amplifier way and wanted to see how this setup will perform. I'm happy to say, its quite good!

An important thing to keep in mind is the size of the plank on which the speakers are mounted. These need to be precise or the speakers will not fit on the tray. There is about 1.5" of area below the tray before you touch the metal underneath. The plank I used is 1.25" in thickness and this gives me a snug fit. There is approximately .25" worth of clearance between the rear windscreen and the speaker which is adequate.

Components, you will have to audition and see what you like. I love the Bostons. JBL sounded quite bright and harsh to me but is a common favorite. Focal is also good. Also, while choosing components, make sure you go with a slim model. Some speakers have huge magnets which will not fit.
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I upgraded my audio to all round components. Yes, in the front and back. The difference is awesome. But, I installed my rear components on the rear tray, without any cutting of the metal below. It came out brilliant!

The reason for going the rear tray route was because the rear speakers were very faint when placed in the doors. Moving them to the tray, made a huge difference. And the design you see below was specifically asked for by me, since it looked the best. Almost stock. The black part you see is MDF wrapped in black pleather. The pic does not have the speaker grills installed. These are Boston Acoustics Components from Satya.

Just now visited the car decor shop with a print out of your rear tray. The shop boy told me that the gap between the tray & underneath metal is very less, thus the magnet can not be accomodated. After showing the print out, he said the wrap around type of material around the speaker which you have referred as MDF has hepled the speaker set at a higher position, thus getting more clearance. Is it true?

The car decor shop has no MDF. Where can I get those? Is it that with out the MDF, rear speakers can not be fixed?

I know, I am troubling you again & again. Hope you don't mind.

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Just now visited the car decor shop with a print out of your rear tray. The shop boy told me that the gap between the tray & underneath metal is very less, thus the magnet can not be accomodated. After showing the print out, he said the wrap around type of material around the speaker which you have referred as MDF has hepled the speaker set at a higher position, thus getting more clearance. Is it true?

The car decor shop has no MDF. Where can I get those? Is it that with out the MDF, rear speakers can not be fixed?

I know, I am troubling you again & again. Hope you don't mind.

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Absolutely no trouble Chitta.

The guy is right, the MDF is there for two reasons. One is clearance. The second is so that the speaker has a strong base which will not vibrate.

Here's what you can do. Measure the available clearance between the tray and the rear windscreen. Whatever value you get, there will be approximately 1" of clearance underneath the tray. Now, choose a set of speakers whose height will be at least 1" lesser than this value. For example, if the clearance between the windscreen and the tray at the mounting point is 4", Choose a speaker whose height is less than 3". This is so that you wont have clearance issues when the MDF is mounted.

Now, have the rear tray removed. Use cardboard to get the preferred shape for the MDF and have it cut out. Place the MDF on the tray and mark out the points to cut. Take care to check the bottom of the tray to ensure that the area you're cutting does not have any mounting points for the tray on the car. Also, ensure that the height calculated earlier is appropriate. This is because the metal tray underneath is not completely flat. There are mounts and what nots on it. So carefully plot it out. Once you're sure, cut out the speaker mounting hole on the MDF and then have it covered in a material of your choice. I went with Black Pleather. Ensure that they do not skimp on the glue because it will be sitting very close to the rear windscreen and the heat when parked will cause the pleather to come loose if not adequately secured.

Now, mark out the areas to cut on the tray. Do not cut the same size hole as in the MDF since only the magnet will be sunk in slightly and not the entire unit. Then, place the speakers on the MDF, place the MDF on the tray and see if you need to make any corrections. Once everything is 100% sure, cut out holes on the tray.

Now assemble everything once without any screws and place it on the car to check if everything is ok.

Now, without the speakers attached, screw in the MDF to the tray from below. Use at least 6 screws in strategic areas so that its strong and secure. Finally, attach the speakers to the MDF.

While this is being done, invest in a wee bit of damping for the rear tray. This is not mandatory but good to do since you have the tray out anyways. Be prudent since every layer of damping will reduce the available clearance. So factor that in.

The wiring should be self explanatory.

Assemble everything back and you're done! I hope I was clear and not ranting. lol..

Only thing to keep in mind is DO NOT CUT anything ON THE CAR before you're absolutely sure.

Do let us know how it goes. If you need more pics, let me know and I'll click a couple.

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Absolutely no trouble Chitta.

The guy is right, the MDF is there for two reasons. One is clearance. The second is so that the speaker has a strong base which will not vibrate.

Here's what you can do. Measure the available clearance between the tray and the rear windscreen. Whatever value you get, there will be approximately 1" of clearance underneath the tray. Now, choose a set of speakers whose height will be at least 1" lesser than this value. For example, if the clearance between the windscreen and the tray at the mounting point is 4", Choose a speaker whose height is less than 3". This is so that you wont have clearance issues when the MDF is mounted.

Now, have the rear tray removed. Use cardboard to get the preferred shape for the MDF and have it cut out. Place the MDF on the tray and mark out the points to cut. Take care to check the bottom of the tray to ensure that the area you're cutting does not have any mounting points for the tray on the car. Also, ensure that the height calculated earlier is appropriate. This is because the metal tray underneath is not completely flat. There are mounts and what nots on it. So carefully plot it out. Once you're sure, cut out the speaker mounting hole on the MDF and then have it covered in a material of your choice. I went with Black Pleather. Ensure that they do not skimp on the glue because it will be sitting very close to the rear windscreen and the heat when parked will cause the pleather to come loose if not adequately secured.

Now, mark out the areas to cut on the tray. Do not cut the same size hole as in the MDF since only the magnet will be sunk in slightly and not the entire unit. Then, place the speakers on the MDF, place the MDF on the tray and see if you need to make any corrections. Once everything is 100% sure, cut out holes on the tray.

Now assemble everything once without any screws and place it on the car to check if everything is ok.

Now, without the speakers attached, screw in the MDF to the tray from below. Use at least 6 screws in strategic areas so that its strong and secure. Finally, attach the speakers to the MDF.

While this is being done, invest in a wee bit of damping for the rear tray. This is not mandatory but good to do since you have the tray out anyways. Be prudent since every layer of damping will reduce the available clearance. So factor that in.

The wiring should be self explanatory.

Assemble everything back and you're done! I hope I was clear and not ranting. lol..

Only thing to keep in mind is DO NOT CUT anything ON THE CAR before you're absolutely sure.

Do let us know how it goes. If you need more pics, let me know and I'll click a couple.

Very well explained. Thanks a lot. Incidentally, I am visiting a bigger city Bhubaneswar on 19th instant for a two days trip. The news came to me after my visit to the local car decor shop. I am sure I will be able to fix the rear speakers there on the tray armed with the knowledge you have provided me. Will update once done. I will also fix my rear sensor problem at Bhubaneswar under warranty.

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Hyundai has shipped a piggy back module for the car's immobilizer and central locking system to most dealers.

While they were not able to confirm exact details of what all features would be added, an alarm is included. So now we have a proper security system. The dealer I spoke with could not confirm if silent arming and disarming was an option, but I'm guessing it should be.

I will be dropping by the showroom later today to have a look see. Can't go right away since my wife is ill.

It costs 2900+Installation and is Hyundai OEM with warranty and requires no splicing etc.

If anyone in bangalore is interested in a group buy, PM me.
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