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Old 24th June 2011, 12:59   #211
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Well, said, I think that was Ford’s aim as well – to provide the best compromise without diluting their basic traits. If you notice, none of the reviews (Team-BHP, or outside publications) have said anything drastically negative about the 1.5 TDCi. Infact I feel the petrol got some flak because of the superior diesel.
Absolutely. It may not be refined as the famous India's national (fiat's) diesel engine, but definitely not bad. Ford has come with various gear ratios for various cars with the same 1.5TDCi and got succeeded.

I think based on the pricing, this car would become a overall good car with all good features but may not be the best in each one of them.
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Yes the Fiesta offers the best compromise I feel. Features, good dynamics and decent engines.

Although after driving the Verna or the Vento one will be disappointed with the 1.5TDCi engine.
I too feel the Fiesta offers the best compromise. And for a city dwelling customer, who would expect only adequate performance, Fiesta would not disappoint Honestly, I have not seen any Fiesta (Classic) owner bothered about the lack of top end power. But they always are a happy lot to discuss about FE figures! So with nice features, a silent cabin, and very good FE, the Fiesta can keep its owners happy
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Absolutely. It may not be refined as the famous India's national (fiat's) diesel engine, but definitely not bad. Ford has come with various gear ratios for various cars with the same 1.5TDCi and got succeeded.

I think based on the pricing, this car would become a overall good car with all good features but may not be the best in each one of them.
May I ask why do you feel that the Ford diesel is not as refined as Fiat's 1.3 MJD? I find both to be having the same clatter from the outside.

When it comes to the inside, the Punto does have lots of noise intruding into the cabin. I'm not sure of the Swift, SX4, Vista, Manza and Linea though.
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May I ask why do you feel that the Ford diesel is not as refined as Fiat's 1.3 MJD? I find both to be having the same clatter from the outside.

When it comes to the inside, the Punto does have lots of noise intruding into the cabin. I'm not sure of the Swift, SX4, Vista, Manza and Linea though.
Yes I too feel the clatter of the 1.3 MJD and the TDCi are almost the same. But VW diesels are a lot more clattery and Hyundai's CRDi is the most refined diesel in the mass markets. Just my opinion though
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May I ask why do you feel that the Ford diesel is not as refined as Fiat's 1.3 MJD? I find both to be having the same clatter from the outside
Yes. Feel DDiS/Quadrajets are less noisy outside than my Figo which has done 14k. But this may be handled better in the new fiesta.

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Awesomely put together Rehaan! Simply fab review.

I have heard all good things about the erstwhile 1.6 mill, guess the new petrol one is a tad disappointing on the enthu front.

Saw it first in the 'Stuff' magazine's June 2011 issue, but it talks about a 2.0 version of the Fiesta. Thought they were referring to a bigger 2 ltr engine.

Tried taking the page's pic, not legible, look it up at a stand near you, Page 25.
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One of the best reviews on ever read on an automobile forum, rated 5 stars.

Now, pricing is the trick for Ford India; Given the size of car and the overall package, I feel that the base petrol, if equipped with ABS+Airbags, should start around 6.99 ex showroom Delhi. Add 85-90 k for Diesel base.
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Heard that Petrol top end price will be max priced at Rs.9.8L on road & diesel will be Rs.10.80 L on road.

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Lot of guys are disappointed to see a 1.5Ltr instead of a 1.6 ltr in NFS. Is this frustration more from not getting their expectations met, which is created by the news floating around initially on a possible 1.6ltr motor or is there a real sea difference those two specs (diff of 0.1). After going through this thread (Engine Capacity (cc) or Power (bhp)??), I felt 90 bhp to be the compromise for an enthusiastic (iam not one )

I have read in many TBHP threads, the figures in paper does not show you the real picture. To give you an example

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What manufacturers show you is the engine horsepower/torque. What actually matters is the wheel horsepower/torque.
What would the case, if this NFS has 10-15 extra BHP?
There are lots of comments on 1.5 Ltr engine..request someone to clarify me on my above query which is more for my understanding

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Heard that Petrol top end price will be max priced at Rs.9.8L on road & diesel will be Rs.10.80 L on road.
I was hoping that the NFS prices will significantly undercut the ANHV prices. 10.80L on-road for NFS diesel is 6K more than that of ANHV SX diesel. The Sales guy I talked to mentioned the prices will be between 8 to 11 Lakhs. But after some talking he added that the dealers will always quote higher prices during pre-booking so that when actual prices are announced, the customers will be happy about the lower prices. My guess is that the NFS TDCi Titanium will be around 10.30L on road.

@Mustang.101, any news on the launch date and the prices?
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So got to know some info from an internal source about NFF.
1. The delay in launch is primarily due to pending approval of the imported tires. Sourcing is from Germany and the supplier (Goodyear) missed taking local approvals.
2. Localisation is ~25 %.
3. Initial production schedule for the first year - 20,000 Cars.

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So got to know some info from an internal source about NFF.
1. The delay in launch is primarily due to pending approval of the imported tires. Sourcing is from Germany and the supplier (Goodyear) missed taking local approvals.
2. Localisation is ~25 %.
3. Initial production schedule for the first year - 20,000 Cars.
If the localization is only ~25%, it could mean very expensive A$$; at least beyond normal service.

(the $$ in A$$ sounds/looks funny now )
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If the localization is only ~25%, it could mean very expensive A$$; at least beyond normal service.
I am not expecting the AS&S to be expensive than competition. Low ownership cost is something which they are really stressing on, and kind of highlighting in every possible media. A sensible manufacturer will not opt for such a step, if that really is not the case.
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I am not expecting the AS&S to be expensive than competition. Low ownership cost is something which they are really stressing on, and kind of highlighting in every possible media. A sensible manufacturer will not opt for such a step, if that really is not the case.
I hope so too.

Just that with 75% components being imported, it may need the company to subsidize part costs to start with, till they get to a much higher localization. And might I add, it may be worthwhile for them to do so, lest Ford gets a bad name on cost of ownership - something they have battled hard for a while now.
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There are lots of comments on 1.5 Ltr engine..request someone to clarify me on my above query which is more for my understanding
The torque at the wheels will always be less than the rated engine output , thats because of transmission losses [ slippage at gear teeth, friction, etc] . This varies from make/model of car as well as deteoriates as the car [or rather the moving parts] gets more used .
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