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Old 28th December 2012, 22:32   #241
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TSK, why is the Safari so heavy? It is almost 700-800 kgs heavier than Duster, from a layman point of view both are essentially 5 seaters.

Even with new chassis, they have managed to cut down only 40kgs.
Is there a difference in Sheet metal between duster and safari?

For the sake of retaining the brute look, they could have simply kept the fibre wheel cover at the back with storage in it.
It could be used to store tools /parking cover etc.

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Nice Deepak, are they offering TDs yet?
Hari as of now they have got only 2 vehicles and there is no sign of test drive vehicle, both the vehicles are kept for display at Dairy circle and Mysore road showroom.
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Cartrade review of Storme VX 4x4



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It does not have wild and aggressive lines as such but then its matured looks always illustrated power in a controlled way.
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Press the brake pedal hard and the vehicle will swing and cradle towards the front. The braking quality is decent and can be improved. Maneuvering the vehicle from tight turns and spots can be a bit of a task.
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During our review, a curious onlooker in a Skoda Superb tried matching up with us but was not able to, now this was cause of our stellar performing Storme or his driving skills
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While some would complain about the new engine being noisy, I personally was enjoying it. It was better than the factory fitted music system at least
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Safari Stormeís rival the Mahindra Scorpio which offers features such as voice assist, steering mounted controls and cruise control stands not just as an obstacle but a tough block to ignore. The only way the Storme beats the Scorpio is by its better performing engine and off roading capabilities.

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Hari as of now they have got only 2 vehicles and there is no sign of test drive vehicle, both the vehicles are kept for display at Dairy circle and Mysore road showroom.
Typing as I stand at Concord Dairy Circle showroom, there is Safari EX Dicor pearl white on display.

Had a look the storm parked in the basement VX bronze colour. My personal opinion I dint like the looks.
Lets wait and see how the market is going the greet this product.
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Went to Concorde Vellachery, Chennai. Storme is no longer there. Apparently its gone to Cochin since the Kerala launch is this week (?). I enquired whether the arm rests can be fitted at the show room for the Lx. He said it can't be done - but I can get it done outside.
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TSK, why is the Safari so heavy? It is almost 700-800 kgs heavier than Duster, from a layman point of view both are essentially 5 seaters.
Some pointers:

1. External dimensions
2. Internal dimensions
3. Construction / Structure.
4. Sheet metal thickness
5. Components - almost every single part will vary in weight.

Having said that, the Safari is still, officially a 7 seater. The Duster is only 5.
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TSK, why is the Safari so heavy? It is almost 700-800 kgs heavier than Duster, from a layman point of view both are essentially 5 seaters.

Even with new chassis, they have managed to cut down only 40kgs.
Is there a difference in Sheet metal between duster and safari?

For the sake of retaining the brute look, they could have simply kept the fibre wheel cover at the back with storage in it.
It could be used to store tools /parking cover etc.
Some cost cutting efforts could also be the reason like using cheaper elemental iron for certain parts instead of aluminium based lighter alloys.
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TSK, why is the Safari so heavy? It is almost 700-800 kgs heavier than Duster, from a layman point of view both are essentially 5 seaters.

Even with new chassis, they have managed to cut down only 40kgs.
Is there a difference in Sheet metal between duster and safari?
One of the principal reason for such a massive weight difference is the Ladder Frame (Body-on-frame) construction of Safari w.r.t. Monocoque (unibody) construction of Duster.

Advantages and disadvantages of BOF w.r.t. unibody:

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Advantages
  • Easier to design, build and modify (less of an issue now that Computer-Assisted Design (CAD) is commonplace, but still an advantage for coach-built vehicles).
  • Quieter, because the stresses do not pass into the body, which is isolated from the frame with rubber pads around the attachment bolts. Less significant lately, but earlier bodies would squeak and rattle, ever more as they rusted, lubricants drained, and fasteners loosened. Isolated bodies had a lesser degree of these modes of aging.
  • Easier to repair after accidents. This is crucial for taxicabs, because damaged bolt-on fenders can be replaced in the firm's own garage - for petty cash, with the cab returned to earning status immediately - whereas a monocoque body would require straightening by paid specialists on a machine expensive to rent - with the cab laid up for repair longer. Grand-Am allows tubular spaceframe cars to replace their monocoque counterparts, as the cars can easily be repaired with new clips.
  • Could allow a manufacturer to easily sub-contract portions of work, e.g. as when Austin subcontracted the aluminium body work of the Austin A40 Sports to Jensen Motors.

Disadvantages
  • Heavier than unibody - lower performance and/or higher fuel consumption.
  • Far less resistant to torsional flexing (flexing of the whole car in corners) - compromising handling and road grip.
  • No crumple zone - higher rate of death and serious injury (in some cars, but larger cars such as the Ford Crown Victoria are highly rated for safety). Some cars have adopted a "front clip" and "rear clip" format similar to what is used in NASCAR race cars where the car is split into three sections, and the clips absorb the impact, allowing the "clip" to be replaced when repairing the car.
  • Structurally poor utilization of material.
For more details see here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body-on-frame and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monocoque
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Cartrade: During our review, a curious onlooker in a Skoda Superb tried matching up with us but was not able to, now this was cause of our stellar performing Storme or his driving skills
Its because the Skoda Superb guy was sober driver .
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One of the principal reason for such a massive weight difference is the Ladder Frame (Body-on-frame) construction of Safari w.r.t. Monocoque (unibody) construction of Duster.
I can understand the weight difference with the Duster as duster is based on logan and they have really scrimped on sound damping, interior trip etc. But can someone explain to me why the Storme is almost 200+ kgs heaving than the Fortuner 4x4, Scorpio, Force One etc...
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Had been to the TASS for the 3M exterior protection for my Linea. While the car was being washed myself and my son checked out the Safari Storme at the showroom, which has been launched here only a fortnight ago. The SA was very eager to give a TD of the vehicle so availed the opportunity instead of waiting at the lobby. Actually my son was more eager for the TD than me and here is what my first impression of the Safari Storme :

a. You actually have to climb up a step to get into the driverís seat. Once you set yourself on the driverís seat, you feel very comfortable, the seats in the VX model was tad hard and not to my liking. The cabin is very airy and bright and there is lots of space inside.

b. Putting the driver seat at the lowest position and the steering at the highest position, the bottom of the steering was brushing against my thighs, this felt very awkward. I had to push the seat considerably back to ensure that the steering does not touch my thighs.

c. The material quality felt very good but the fit and finish deserves to be better. While the SA was giving a demonstration by folding the back seat (second row), the seat got stuck badly and could not restored to the original position.

d. The high seating position provides a very commanding view of the road ahead and visibility was perfect. Overall, I felt the driver seat to be quite comfortable.

e. Start the engine and there is slight clatter, but it is almost inaudible from the inside. Put the car into first gear and the huge SUV moves easily without any vibration. The gear box is very smooth with short throw.

f. The Storme is easy to drive even in the city at 40KMPH and the engine pulls the huge body mass from 40KM even at 4th. Gear. So there is very little gear change involved. Driving the Linea regularly I felt a lot of bodyroll. The suspensions are a delight and soaks the humps and potholes very well even at quite a speed. One thing that needs to be specially mentioned is the short turning radius.
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a. You actually have to climb up a step to get into the driverís seat. Once you set yourself on the driverís seat, you feel very comfortable, the seats in the VX model was tad hard and not to my liking. The cabin is very airy and bright and there is lots of space inside.
A typical experience by a sedan user. Once you get used to this, getting into sedan will be a difficult one

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b. Putting the driver seat at the lowest position and the steering at the highest position, the bottom of the steering was brushing against my thighs, this felt very awkward. I had to push the seat considerably back to ensure that the steering does not touch my thighs.
Even in my current Safari, I always keep my seat pushed all the way behind with wheel on its max top position. Of course, I am able to reach the pedals and am only 5'10".

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c. The material quality felt very good but the fit and finish deserves to be better. While the SA was giving a demonstration by folding the back seat (second row), the seat got stuck badly and could not restored to the original position.
This [seat getting stuck], is [should be] primarily due to the reason we are not properly educated. Most of the times, its the seat belts that get stuck.

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f. The Storme is easy to drive even in the city at 40KMPH and the engine pulls the huge body mass from 40KM even at 4th. Gear. So there is very little gear change involved.
This really makes me go with Storme as my next. But, somehow, I started thinking about ARIA for various cosmetic/features reasons !

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Putting the driver seat at the lowest position and the steering at the highest position, the bottom of the steering was brushing against my thighs, this felt very awkward. I had to push the seat considerably back to ensure that the steering does not touch my thighs.
Did you feel that the positioning of the steering wheel in Storme a bit on the lower side ? How tall are you?
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Pretty well explained Kaviprem, as for the driver's seat not being comfortable or different from the current Safari, I had the opportunity to park a brand new Safari and a brand new Storme next to each other and compare the driving positions, I did not find any difference in the two, I changed the position in both, fully forward, fully back, height up, height down, it felt the same in both the cars, don't know if the I was missing something..

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Did you feel that the positioning of the steering wheel in Storme a bit on the lower side ? How tall are you?
In my 2009 Safari, I sometimes find the bottom of the steering just brushing my thighs and the seat position is always fully up (height) and the seat is slid midway (I am 5'.8").

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