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Old 10th November 2014, 21:25   #2341
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No experience of this kind of gearbox, though I'd like to get some one day!.

The auto boxes in my life have had positions L or D, or 1, 2, and D. If you want to start with acceleration anything fancier than that of a snail (especially with torque converters, that can make a 2L engine feel like push bike at low speeds) you engage that lower gear. Otherwise you just take it easy in D. What's the procedure with these VW DSG gearboxes?
Actually, if you think about it, things have not changed much . The 2 big guys, Maruti and Hyundai still have pretty old 4 Speed AT boxes across the range (Including their premium sedans like the Ciaz and Verna). These boxes come with configuration similar to what you mentioned. But they have improved enough to be smooth and comfortable in City driving in D mode itself. Highway runs would probably still need the L,3,2,1 depending on situation and one may end up feeling like a snail trying to overtake that fast lorry.

With the Polo GT TSI (and the Vento TSI), VW have mated a brilliant 7 speed gear box to an even better Turbo Petrol Engine. It has a D, S and Manual Modes (No L or 2/1-Its not needed). You put it in D, push the accelerator, it takes off pretty fast. You put it into S, push the accelerator it flies. In any mode, most other cars become specks in the rear view mirror pretty quickly.

This car is a revelation to a lot of car enthusiasts (including me). We did not know an AT car could be so potent.
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I think it is the DQ200. First, the video says this is for compact cars, while the link you posted says the DQ500 is for heavy-duty use. Second, and this is the clincher, the video is for dry type clutches, while the DQ500 is wet type.
Just watched the video again. You are correct; the speaker does indeed mention the clutch to be dry-type, making this the DQ200. Also, the DQ500 was launched only in 2010, whereas this video was uploaded in 2008, which makes it even more obvious.
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This car is a revelation to a lot of car enthusiasts (including me). We did not know an AT car could be so potent.
I can remember a demo (Top Gear) quite a few years ago, of, I think, an Audi. The human tests subjects could not accelerate as fast with manual gear change. The auto flounced them all.

Potentially, auto gear boxes have been very good for quite a while.

The only trouble I had with both the ones I owned was that torque-converter standing-start thing. This applied both to my original-model Civic (which was very old by the time it reached me) which was very pokey once you got it moving, it was just the first bit that was hard work, and to my more recent Rover 620 (British built Accord).

Both cars, and, I think, every other auto I have ever driven, were fine for stop-start traffic queue driving. Just a pedal touch was enough. Sometimes, just easing off the brake and letting the car creep. No jerks (Hmm... except maybe the driver ). I'd be disappointed with an auto box that didn't make the first/second/stop/first/stop/first/second manual routine comfortable and effortless.
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I went to a local mechanic who come highly recommended, he hadn't done something like this before so it took him some time, but he eventually did a very thorough and good job.
Presumably this is in Mumbai? Would be much obliged if you could share the mechanic's contact!
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Both cars, and, I think, every other auto I have ever driven, were fine for stop-start traffic queue driving. Just a pedal touch was enough. Sometimes, just easing off the brake and letting the car creep. No jerks (Hmm... except maybe the driver ). I'd be disappointed with an auto box that didn't make the first/second/stop/first/stop/first/second manual routine comfortable and effortless.
To be clear, a DSG is absolutely fine in stop-start traffic. Creeps like any other automatic and the jerkiness (at least in my case) has settled down as the car has got older and components have bedded in. If I have one criticism, it's that it's not as immediate to start creeping as a torque converter is. There is a slight delay and in bumper-to-bumper traffic that often means losing your spot to the cabbie next to you. I also am cautious in such situations because if I floor it will surge forward and that burst of speed can get difficult to control.
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Presumably this is in Mumbai? Would be much obliged if you could share the mechanic's contact!
Would be happy to , but how do I? PM isnt enabled yet on my ID...

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To be clear, a DSG is absolutely fine in stop-start traffic. Creeps like any other automatic and the jerkiness (at least in my case) has settled down as the car has got older and components have bedded in. If I have one criticism, it's that it's not as immediate to start creeping as a torque converter is. There is a slight delay and in bumper-to-bumper traffic that often means losing your spot to the cabbie next to you. I also am cautious in such situations because if I floor it will surge forward and that burst of speed can get difficult to control.
I'm still learning to adapt the DSG but this is what seems to work for me, I try to switch from N/P to D a little before I expect the traffic to get moving, most people have a sense of when their column is going to start moving forward.

So i spend maybe a second or two with D and brake pressed, but when I choose to set off, it doesnt lag as much.

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I'm still learning to adapt the DSG but this is what seems to work for me, I try to switch from N/P to D a little before I expect the traffic to get moving, most people have a sense of when their column is going to start moving forward.

So i spend maybe a second or two with D and brake pressed, but when I choose to set off, it doesnt lag as much.
N is still ok but please don't put it in P at lights. P is only meant for parking. If someone comes and hits you from behind while you are stopped and in P, you will end up damaging the transmission.
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N is still ok but please don't put it in P at lights. P is only meant for parking. If someone comes and hits you from behind while you are stopped and in P, you will end up damaging the transmission.
Didnt think about it that way, point noted
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Would be happy to , but how do I? PM isnt enabled yet on my ID...
If you don't mind, you can post it here. Would be really helpful to a lot of Mumbai folks
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If you don't mind, you can post it here. Would be really helpful to a lot of Mumbai folks
Sure, his name is Basavraj, he is located at Mulund East (where most of the car parts shops are). +91 9920903842
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What's the procedure with these VW DSG gearboxes?
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You put it in D, push the accelerator, it takes off pretty fast. You put it into S, push the accelerator it flies. In any mode, most other cars become specks in the rear view mirror pretty quickly.
Most of it is as Rajeevraj has mentioned, but he forgot one important bit of kit. the tiptronic mode. If at anytime, the enthusiast in you wakes up wants to drag, you will find the M - mode is the best. Just push the lever left in D mode un then forward for upshifts and backward for downshifts. To me this is the best mode to drive fast, as, in D mode the upshift will happen at 4k rpm, which does not let the engine reach its peak power, and in S mode the engine revs till 6k rpm, which I find useless as the engine reaches it peak power at 5k rpm. so, at 6k rpm, the engine is neither making peak power or peak torque. So, when in mood to go fast and drag, put in M - mode, floor the throttle and upshift at 5k rpm.
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Would be happy to , but how do I? PM isnt enabled yet on my ID...
I am not PM capable still. My phone number is +91-9923888422. If you don't mind, you could just text me the contact.

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Congratulations on the new car!
Was the Arm Rest a DIY? Or did you find someone to get it done?
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I picked up the Polo GTI armrest from vagtune. Didn't want to risk customs issues through alibaba. Cost me about 13.75k.
An alternative to Aliexpress (where I got mine from for $105 DHL shipped) and Vagtune (13.75K is premium) is JJ motorwerks in Bangalore. He quoted 7.6K for normal and 9K for GTI (with cup holder). He said he will have them by the end of the month. You can check out his facebook page for more details.
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I am not PM capable still. My phone number is +91-9923888422. If you don't mind, you could just text me the contact.

Thanks a ton!
Hey I already shared, look at post number #2351
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After trying to get a test drive of the GT TSI for the past two weeks, I finally gave up. I even tried to get hold of a Vento TSI, but no luck. I walked in to the showroom to book the car today when I was told I could TD the manual 1.2 MPI Polo if I wanted to. I went ahead and took a short drive to see how it felt on the road and whether I could find a comfortable driving position.

VW really need to dump that crude 1.2L 3 pot motor. It was so loud that I asked the sales lady whether this was the TDI. It was that loud . Apart from the high NVH the engine felt adequate for city driving with AC on and 2 on board. The suspension felt nice and sorted and the new steering wheel felt great, not just the quality of touch and feel but also in terms of feedback from the steering. The gear shift was superb and one of the slickest ones I have experienced. It had short throws and slotted very accurately and shifting up and down was pure joy. I liked the no nonsense and simple dash design. Quality of materials is very good for a hatch and equipment levels are good too with most essentials in place.

The driving position is good, I had to push the seat all the way back though to feel comfortable. With this position it is virtually impossible for any body to sit behind me. Rear seat space and comfort is very very poor. I think this is where the Polo has failed in India. As a B segment hatch it just does not fulfill the duty of a 'family car'. Even though we have a Laura in the house, we prefer to take the small car for outings in the city due to ease of parking and other advantages of a small nimble car. We are a family four adults + 1 small kid and are comfortable travelling in the i10 for short distances in the city. Its for the longer journeys that the Laura comes out. Thankfully the Polo is not a replacement for the i10, otherwise my family would have rejected it outright due to the lack of space.

Booked the car by paying 50K on the basis of faith in reviews and posts about the car on T BHP. The waiting period quoted is three months. Surprisingly the GT TSI is now more expensive than the GT TDI, by about 20K or so. On road price on Bangalore is about 10.10 Lakhs. Pricey for a hatch, but I wanted a car that I could look forward to driving everyday. The frustration of seeing my 200 BHP Laura parked in the garage and taking the i10 to office daily just reached the breaking point.

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