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Old 26th December 2013, 15:11   #6061
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I have 2 months old 1.5D Titanium. About a month back, when I was on my way to office, one pedestrian suddenly came on to road. Even though vehicle speed was only about 50-60 kmph, I had to really brake hard to stop the vehicle. As soon as I did that, I heard a loud sound kkrrrddddd...krrrrdddddd (don't really know how else I can describe it). It was something like some metal was grinding along with tyre/disk brake. But good thing that vehicle stopped.

I was very surprised by that sound (and forgot to rant on pedestrian who quickly ran away). Further, I tried 3 times to recreate the problem by accelerating and applying the brake but didn't hear that sound again (Yes, I was cautious that no one was behind me during that time). Perhaps I wasn't slamming the brake with enough force???

GTO's post makes me feel I should retest my brakes and ABS. Only thing, I don't know how I can do that other than just accelerating and braking. Any suggestions?
Seems to be a problem similar to the Overdrive issue. Your only goodluck was that you were at a low speed so the locking was not that severe. Go to the dealer's service station, raise a right royal stink & sit on their head to get a piping check done first. Refer them to the Overdrive annual issue that reported ABS failure & tyre lockup.
Then ask them to check correct sequence of wiring in the connector to the ABS controller. That may be a bit laborious as they will have to check wrt the service manual & also physically trace all the wires to see if they have been properly connected to their respective sensors/inputs or power sources.

Actually at the wiring harness manufacturer they should have a computerised checker that has to be used 100%. Someone seems to be
slipping somewhere in the supply chain.
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Seems to be a problem similar to the Overdrive issue. Your only goodluck was that you were at a low speed so the locking was not that severe. Go to the dealer's service station, raise a right royal stink & sit on their head to get a piping check done first. Refer them to the Overdrive annual issue that reported ABS failure & tyre lockup.
Why do you suspect a problem. Isn't the loud grating sound he is describing similar to the noise ABS system makes when it kicks in?
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Ive never heard any loud sound on abs kicking in. Be it Polo,Octavia or Swift.
It may be a case of dirt accumulation in rear drums. Does it happen at low speed breaking too ? It comes just before the car comes to a dead halt should the rear drums have dirt.

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Ive never heard any loud sound on abs kicking in. Be it Polo,Octavia or Swift.
It may be a case of dirt accumulation in rear drums. Does it happen at low speed breaking too ? It comes just before the car cines to a dead halt.
Well I got a similar sound from my Altis twice during panic braking. The first time around it alarmed and I searched for the cause and was told this is due to the ABS kicking in. Post that have even got 2 services done at the dealership and everything including the brakes seem to be ok.

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Will I notice anything when the ABS is working?
In many vehicles, drivers may experience a rapid pulsation of the brake pedal--almost as if the brakes are pushing back at you. Sometimes the pedal could suddenly drop. Also, the valves in the ABS controller may make a noise that sounds like grinding or buzzing. In some cars you may feel a slight vibration--this means the ABS is working. It is important NOT to take your foot off the brake pedal when you hear noise or feel pulsations, but instead continue to apply firm pressure.
Source: http://www.nhtsa.gov/cars/problems/e...absbrakes.html

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Seems to be a problem similar to the Overdrive issue.
I am nervous now. Why one cannot have peace of mind even after spending more than a million rupees on the car?

But I read the overdrive article and the folks mentioned that their wheel locked completely after hard braking. This didn't happen in my case. My car was perfectly drivable after full halt. Not sure whether wheel didn't get the chance to lock completely because of low speed or it is just me listening too much...
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Seems to be a problem similar to the Overdrive issue. Your only goodluck was that you were at a low speed so the locking was not that severe. Go to the dealer's service station, raise a right royal stink & sit on their head to get a piping check done first. Refer them to the Overdrive annual issue that reported ABS failure & tyre lockup.
Then ask them to check correct sequence of wiring in the connector to the ABS controller. That may be a bit laborious as they will have to check wrt the service manual & also physically trace all the wires to see if they have been properly connected to their respective sensors/inputs or power sources.

Actually at the wiring harness manufacturer they should have a computerised checker that has to be used 100%. Someone seems to be
slipping somewhere in the supply chain.
Please, you are spreading misinformation. That is the exact sound that comes when ABS is working.

You can hear the sound in this video.
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Ive never heard any loud sound on abs kicking in. Be it Polo,Octavia or Swift.
It may be a case of dirt accumulation in rear drums. Does it happen at low speed breaking too ? It comes just before the car comes to a dead halt should the rear drums have dirt.
It is quite possible that you have never encountered a situation where the ABS has kicked in.
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+1 to drmohitg , I have experienced the same behavior with Fluidic Verna as well , I believe the ABS works with a juddering effect .
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I think there seems to be a confusion between judder/pulsating effect felt on the pedal with noise made by brakes.
I've experienced judder in brake pedal almost every time the ABS kicked in and I know that's normal,what isn't however is grinding noise as described by the OP.

Edit: saw the video posted above, no such noise I heard. Its almost impossible that the ABS didn't kick in since I could feel the pulsating effect on the pedal almost as if it was pushing my foot. Else, it may be possible that some vehicles make a noise whereas other don't. Like what's been mentioned in the quote by Mohit.

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Good news,

For all the guys who were waiting for an in dash navigation and screen for the ecosport.
Caska India is about to launch one.

When? Checked out the video of the Brazilian version and looks worth the money. Can't wait to get my hands on this one. Who could they be tying up for maps in India?
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It is their company. If they don't want to catch up with Maruti, it is their prerogative. When they plan their strategy they take a lot of things into account, things that only they have a proper view of. What we are advocating is based on certain guesses we make, and then feel enraged that they are not acting according to what we wish. Better not to get into things we don't understand. And should definitely not let bad personal experience could our judgements.

BTW, You still didn't tell me why you think they are not increasing production while they could.
Well, Ford world wide is a volume manufacturer and not a niche player like some of the Luxury specialist brands. So to assume that they do not want to concentrate on volumes, is in my opinion not correct ( they are setting up a second plant in Gujarat to increase production capacity). If they have not caught up with other car companies it is because they have not been able to master the market. Ford India is a loss making company ( like many other MNC manufacturers).



After a series of failures, any investment would be questioned by the parent company ( which would have to infuse the funds). In such cases the focus often shifts on short term goals ( managements live quarter by quarter) and long term objectives take a back seat to short term goals. This could be one reason for not ramping up production immediately.

Second reason could be that India does not figure too high in the priority list of its parent company ( which is concentrating on strengthening itself in markets like North America and China) unlike Suzuki & Hyundai where India is very important as a market and a production base.


Moreover, a team which has not been successful often becomes very conservative and does not set ambitious goals for itself. Such teams play not to lose rather than to win.

Most successful MNC companies build a strong local management team ( which understands the local market better) and take their inputs very seriously. ( A la what Honda has started doing in the last 2 years ). With Mr. Singh being appointed as the MD of Ford India, I would like to believe that Ford wants to do something similar. Whether they are successful or not is something only time will tell.

While I do not claim to be the " Mr. Know All" and I have had a bad experience with them, I don't think I have let it unnecessarily cloud my judgement.

As pointed by Harpreet Surbhi, Ford has not invested in setting up some very basic processes ( like centralized bookings) . While it is their call as a company, it is impacting the customer experience in a negative manner.
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Hi,

I took my ES for wheel alignment this morning as it had clocked 5k Kms. To my complete surprise, the spare wheel couldn't be removed with the lock nut provided in the vehicle. I called up my dealer who sent a mechanic with a spare lock nut.
Are there other Ecosport owners who have faced issues with the lock nut on spare wheel?

Cheers
Two things possible in your case.

1.check if the pattern is same on the nut and the spanner , if they are same carefully turn around and slot it in.

2.If the pattern is different it means your lock nut adapter got switched with another car before or during PDI.

You have to place a new order quoting your chassis number.



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I have experience removing the spare wheel that too during the first week of delivery. The lock nut got a base which needs to be pushed or pulled so that the groove will be pushed out. Only when this groove is out, it will fit perfectly onto the bolt. I had a tough time figuring this out. I guess this wasnt done in your case.
+1 to Naveen thats the way to do it



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I have 2 months old 1.5D Titanium. About a month back, when I was on my way to office, one pedestrian suddenly came on to road. Even though vehicle speed was only about 50-60 kmph, I had to really brake hard to stop the vehicle. As soon as I did that, I heard a loud sound kkrrrddddd...krrrrdddddd (don't really know how else I can describe it). It was something like some metal was grinding along with tyre/disk brake. But good thing that vehicle stopped. Any suggestions?
Hey buddy be happy your ABS is perfectly working ,that sound and the shudder on your brake pedal prove that.



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Tried my level best to push /pull to no luck. It did rotate a bit, when I tried real hard. But that didnt help.
Please check above


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Please, you are spreading misinformation. That is the exact sounlocation that comes when ABS is working.
It is quite possible that you have never encountered a situation where the ABS has kicked in.
+1to black sport.



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When? Checked out the video of the Brazilian version and looks worth the money. Can't wait to get my hands on this one. Who could they be tying up for maps in India?
The system is all plug and play.All the MID features are functional on the new screen.

They are tied up with satnav and the product will be out by January 15.

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Hi guys. Just found this link on indian auto blog where in suzuki has launched a cross over called Hustler from 6.7 lacs onwards in Japan. What i found interesting is the engine of this vehicle which is just 0.66 cc. The Hustler is turbocharged and comes with 2wd and 4wd options. Here is the link: http://indianautosblog.com/wp-conten...ar-quarter.jpg
Mods please delete the post if its irrelevent or posted wrongly.
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I have 2 months old 1.5D Titanium. About a month back, when I was on my way to office, one pedestrian suddenly came on to road. Even though vehicle speed was only about 50-60 kmph, I had to really brake hard to stop the vehicle. As soon as I did that, I heard a loud sound kkrrrddddd...krrrrdddddd (don't really know how else I can describe it). It was something like some metal was grinding along with tyre/disk brake. But good thing that vehicle stopped.

I was very surprised by that sound (and forgot to rant on pedestrian who quickly ran away). Further, I tried 3 times to recreate the problem by accelerating and applying the brake but didn't hear that sound again (Yes, I was cautious that no one was behind me during that time). Perhaps I wasn't slamming the brake with enough force???
No worries Buddy. I experienced similar sound few weeks before and had become panic too. I do faced some thud sound from front left. So I decided to take it dealership to reconfirm whether things are fine. Fortunately I got a Service Advisor with around 20 Yrs exp. He tested my cars shock absorber and confirmed no issues. Additional he demonstrator / Recreated Scenario on ABS activation where I got to know when ABS engages ABS Motors gets activated which is the actual Grinding sound. This is absolutely normal. I also did few searches on-net and confirmed the same. Also the user manual clearly says When ABS is engaged, huge sound will come due to ABS motors which is a normal behavior and don't need to worry about it.

How the ABS activation scenario was recreated:
In a small lane/street where you can see a small pot of water stagnated in the road side(left side), drive in a medium speed (say 40-50 km/h)
When your vehicle left wheel touches the stagnated water, push your brakes hard.. very hard.. (As if you are about to hit a post) Now you can hear that huge noise, which I actually your ABS motor engagement.. Test it, then feel the peace.
Note: Water stagnation should be on the thar/cement layer of the road so that the Tyres skids and shouldn't be a wet muddy ditch
This is how my SA Demonstrator ABS activation.

Warning Note: Make sure you do the testing in an empty street without impacting the fellow road buddies.
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The system is all plug and play.All the MID features are functional on the new screen.

They are tied up with satnav and the product will be out by January 15.
What i love about it is that its a touch screen! BTW, do the Brazilian ecosports have bigger screens than ours? The screen looks bigger in this video. I hope its priced reasonably (read INR25k kinds).
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Well, Ford world wide is a volume manufacturer and not a niche player like some of the Luxury specialist brands. So to assume that they do not want to concentrate on volumes, is in my opinion not correct ( they are setting up a second plant in Gujarat to increase production capacity). If they have not caught up with other car companies it is because they have not been able to master the market. Ford India is a loss making company ( like many other MNC manufacturers). After a series of failures, any investment would be questioned by the parent company ( which would have to infuse the funds). In such cases the focus often shifts on short term goals ( managements live quarter by quarter) and long term objectives take a back seat to short term goals. This could be one reason for not ramping up production immediately. Second reason could be that India does not figure too high in the priority list of its parent company ( which is concentrating on strengthening itself in markets like North America and China) unlike Suzuki & Hyundai where India is very important as a market and a production base. Moreover, a team which has not been successful often becomes very conservative and does not set ambitious goals for itself. Such teams play not to lose rather than to win. Most successful MNC companies build a strong local management team ( which understands the local market better) and take their inputs very seriously. ( A la what Honda has started doing in the last 2 years ). With Mr. Singh being appointed as the MD of Ford India, I would like to believe that Ford wants to do something similar. Whether they are successful or not is something only time will tell. While I do not claim to be the " Mr. Know All" and I have had a bad experience with them, I don't think I have let it unnecessarily cloud my judgement. As pointed by Harpreet Surbhi, Ford has not invested in setting up some very basic processes ( like centralized bookings) . While it is their call as a company, it is impacting the customer experience in a negative manner.
None of the European/American companies are high volume movers in India yet. Having said that i didn't say that not being a volume player is their long term strategy. They make strategic decisions based on ground realities, which they alone have knowledge about. For each decision these companies make, they do a cost-benefit analysis. For example, for a centralised booking system, they might have budgetary constraints, perhaps which we can't comprehend.

I understand that you are hurt because you received some shoddy treatment from them. I have received some myself. It is my guess that under-producing petrol Ecosports is part of their strategy. The point was to have a low starting price, and when people who booked the petrols got bored of waiting, they would up and leave, with some converting to diesels. Now, while this strategy may leave some people disgruntled, and give some bad name to the brand, they would have surely felt that the benefits outweigh the risks.

OK, my stop is here.
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