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Old 17th January 2015, 15:12   #211
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I think neither Tata nor Datsun (nor most customers) would see the Bolt and Go+ as direct competitors, even if there is a small price overlap.

The closest direct competitor of the Go+ has to be the Eeco (passenger version). As for the Bolt, it depends on the pricing.

Tata can price it to take on either the bunch of cars competing in the lower to mid range price spectrum of the B2 segment, or the premium B2 hatches. Going by the Zest's pricing, I guess it will be the former.

Tata had always pitted the Vista against the Swift. They would be inclined to do the same this time as well (in terms of positioning), but likely undercut the Swift in terms of pricing by a similar percentage as the Zest-Dzire difference.
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Tata Bolt spotted with sporty body kit, probably official body kit.

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I wish Tata had provided an enthusiastic petrol engine as an option too, since they're trying to project it as a 'Sporty' car. Fiat should let at least Tata use their TJet engine since they aren't in any mood to launch it in Punto. Yes, the Bolt isn't a sporty handler like Punto, but the good straight line stability and the neutral handling should be good enough to enjoy the engine.

IMG source: http://indianautosblog.com/2015/01/t...erships-165336

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Tata Bolt spotted with sporty body kit, probably official body kit.

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I wish Tata had provided an enthusiastic petrol engine as an option too, since they're trying to project it as a 'Sporty' car. Fiat should let at least Tata use their TJet engine since they aren't in any mood to launch it in Punto. Yes, the Bolt isn't a sporty handler like Punto, but the good straight line stability and the neutral handling should be good enough to enjoy the engine.
I like the way you think buddy. But in our budget sensitive market, Bolt's Revotron is the most powerful at 90ps and 140Nm torque.
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Tata Bolt spotted with sporty body kit, probably official body kit.

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I wish Tata had provided an enthusiastic petrol engine as an option too, since they're trying to project it as a 'Sporty' car. Fiat should let at least Tata use their TJet engine since they aren't in any mood to launch it in Punto. Yes, the Bolt isn't a sporty handler like Punto, but the good straight line stability and the neutral handling should be good enough to enjoy the engine.

IMG source: http://indianautosblog.com/2015/01/t...erships-165336
Looks killer and very upmarket. Much better than the ones that were offered on the VistaD90. Infact its even better fit than on the Zest. I am just waiting to get rid of my Liva for this, but not before waiting for a few Bolt/Zest long term ownership reviews.
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Would be really good if TML just made the kit as the standard fitment.

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If sportiness means a hard suspension to take care of rough driving, then stability & neutral handling are more desirable for normal users.
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I like the way you think buddy. But in our budget sensitive market, Bolt's Revotron is the most powerful at 90ps and 140Nm torque.
Yes. Tata have studied the mass market very well and tuned the engine to offer low end drive-ability and fuel efficiency, the things that an average buyer appreciates and it reflects well in the Petrol : Diesel shares of Zest. However, it'd have been great(wishing as an enthusiast) if Tata had developed a performance variant of the engine as well, which was tuned to make all that torque offer a mid range punch.

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Looks killer and very upmarket. Much better than the ones that were offered on the VistaD90. Infact its even better fit than on the Zest. I am just waiting to get rid of my Liva for this, but not before waiting for a few Bolt/Zest long term ownership reviews.


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Would be really good if TML just made the kit as the standard fitment.

If sportiness means a hard suspension to take care of rough driving, then stability & neutral handling are more desirable for normal users.
Agree with the suspension part. If you go through my post carefully, you can see that I'm not complaining about the suspension at all(in fact, not complaining about anything). I'm only wishing for a performance oriented petrol engine.

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Old 22nd January 2015, 12:20   #217
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No buzz on this thread on the launch day?

Just in: introductory prices: 4.4 lacs to 6.05 lacs for petrol and 5.49 to 6.99 for diesel ex-showroom Delhi

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Tata has launched the Bolt in India starting at Rs 4.4 lakh (ex-showroom, Delhi) for the petrol variant, while the diesel variant starts at Rs 5.49 lakh.

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...kh-392906.aspx

Nice price i guess. Awaiting further details.

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Prices:


Petrol
XE - Rs 4.44 lakh
XM - Rs 5.15 lakh
XMS - Rs 5.40 lakh
XT - Rs 6.05 lakh


Diesel
XE - Rs 5.49 lakh
XM - Rs 6.11 lakh
XMS - Rs 6.34 lakh
XT - Rs 6.99 lakh


(all prices, ex-showroom, Delhi)

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Price details of Bolt, with Delhi ESP of Swift as a comparo

BOLT
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Horrendous pricing. Only 6k difference between ZXI and XT Revotron. Talking of shooting themselves in the foot

PS OTR of Bolt XT Diesel in BLR comes to 8.7L. They conveniently swallowed the money saved using inferior 75PS FGT engine.

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How the pricing is, relative to its competitors. Thanks to Aditya for compiling this sheet:

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Price details of Bolt, with Delhi ESP of Swift as a comparo

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Horrendous pricing. Only 6k difference between ZXI and XT Revotron. Talking of shooting themselves in the foot

PS OTR of Bolt XT Diesel in BLR comes to 8.7L. They conveniently swallowed the money saved using inferior 75PS FGT engine.
Following are the features listed on the brochure of Bolt. I think in terms of features and space it beats Swift hands down. This kind of justifies the 6k price difference. Also, look at it with a difference lens. Maruti sells over 20k Swift every month while by all possibilities Tata will sell about 5k Bolt every month. Yet Tata is able to offer a feature packed Bolt at 6k less than Maruti. Should'nt Swift cost less given the economies of scale it enjoys?
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How the pricing is, relative to its competitors. Thanks to Aditya for compiling this sheet:
Thanks Aditya for the comparison.

Would it be possible to add 1.) Ritz and 2.)Figo in this camparo?
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Following are the features listed on the brochure of Bolt. I think in terms of features and space it beats Swift hands down. This kind of justifies the 6k price difference. Also, look at it with a difference lens. Maruti sells over 20k Swift every month while by all possibilities Tata will sell about 5k Bolt every month. Yet Tata is able to offer a feature packed Bolt at 6k less than Maruti. Should'nt Swift cost less given the economies of scale it enjoys?
I wholeheartedly agree that Swift should cost less. I have told in the past that Swift is overpriced, esp in Z trims.

Now, coming to Bolt, yes, it is a feature rich car, but we also have to take into account the reliabilities of Bolt and Swift with Swift having established the reputation of being an extremely reliable car. Tata's image and reliability factor is pretty bad. Tata expecting top seller's prices without proving itself first is suicidal IMO.
Now consider the Grand i10. It is a feature rich car with excellent quality and a nice petrol engine. Hyundai has good brand and reliability image. Yet, it is considerably cheaper than Bolt.

Tata Bolt quadrajet being more expensive than Punto 75 Multijet Emotion is also something that's hard to digest.
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Following are the features listed on the brochure of Bolt. I think in terms of features and space it beats Swift hands down. This kind of justifies the 6k price difference.
all though i personally agree with you.
Most of the buyers looking at the swift, MAY get swayed to only test drive the bolt , will appreciate it for what it has to offer, but ultimately play it safe and buy the swift/i10 grand/ Ei20 etc.
Having said that & having test driven the bolt for good 20-25 minute & having driven a swift for 3+ years, i would any day go for the Bolt over the swift, had i been in the market looking for a hatch.
But with masses TATAs simply dont have that connection/confidence yet (although they seem to slowly getting there.. )
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Also, look at it with a difference lens. Maruti sells over 20k Swift every month while by all possibilities Tata will sell about 5k Bolt every month. Yet Tata is able to offer a feature packed Bolt at 6k less than Maruti. Shouldn't Swift cost less given the economies of scale it enjoys?
Economies of scale alright, however given that swift is a grand success,
MSIL has a huge appetite for profit margin whereas TATAs are wanting to reestablish in this segment so the profit appetite cannot be as liberal.

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Tata will sell about 5k Bolt every month
Highly optimistic figure that, IMO.
I assume it will average out to 2-3000 a month in the near short term.
I wish your prediction is true. It will be interesting to watch this in the coming months.
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Getting a feeling of the Bolt being overpriced. Tata is unfortunately not a player having too much of a goodwill for its passenger cars. They should have gone for killer pricing rather than competitive pricing; just like they did with Zest. However, Tata finds itself in a double edged sword situation. If they price it high, then there will not be many takers given the competitive and established cars in the segment, where as if they price it low, they may again be perceived as a cheap brand which is something they will not like given that they want to position the Bolt in the premium hatchback segment.

And just my 2 cents on the discussion over Swift's pricing: Mostly, cars are never priced based on the manufacturing cost. They are priced based on the positioning of the model. Hence, I don't think that Swift should be cheaper just because Bolt is high on the features. But yes, some buyers may find Bolt more value for money compared to the Swift.

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