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Old 13th May 2016, 01:33   #4441
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Every time I crossed 2000 RPM mark I had a big smile. However, every time it took almost an eternity to cross the 2000 RPM mark on 3rd and 4th gears. To some extent 2nd gear as well. The engine is almost BINARY in nature.
Are you sure that the engine took forever to cross 2k rpm? Firstly, as a owner of S-Cross 1.6 and having driven 5k kms, I can definitely say that the surge of torque starts to come in at ~1500 rpm, then there is a nice boost or kick ~1750-1800 rpm. From then on there is no dearth of power or torque till any rpm you can hit.

As you said, in the third and fourth gears and to some extent in the second gear as well, the engine takes a lot of time to hit the turbo zone, but this is only if you allow the rpm to go below ~1000 rpm. Yes, from 1000 to 1500 rpm, it feels like forever - but if you play with the gear and throttle to maintain ~1500 rpm, there will be no trouble to drive the vehicle.

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I had a big reality check for an urban commuter. 98% of my driving time and 80% of the KMs will happen in Bangalore traffic. The very purpose of big torque was defeated for me - as the engine had nothing to offer below the 2000 RPM mark.
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I asked myself a hard question - would you want to drive a dead car 80% of the 98% time. I somehow could not convince myself for the 1.6.
I personally disagree with the comments "the engine had nothing to offer below the 2000 RPM mark" would you want to drive a dead car 80% of the 98% time.

The engine wakes up well before 2000 rpm. I too drive in the Bangalore traffic and there is a lot of work for the left hand - no denial. But you do not have to maintain 2000 rpm to have fun within the city. Even while not in the turbo zone, this is NO WAY a dead car. The awesome power delivery in the turbo zone might give an impression that the car was dead before that - but that is not the reality.

As a comparison, I got to drive my cousin's TUV a couple of weeks back. As I was driving, I felt like the initial torque delivery was poorer than my S-Cross's non-turbo zone. But then even after pushing a bit I always felt like I was driving in non-turbo zone. I was confused, why is the engine not reaching turbo zone even after pushing so much - when I checked the rpm, it was ~2500. Only then I realized that is all the power and torque that car had to offer. It was more linear, but compared to my S-Cross, it was no where close. The peak torque delivery, I felt, was poorer than my S-Cross's non-turbo torque.

I guess, it is all about perception - what you drive regularly, what all cars you have driven. For me, this is my first diesel - coming from a 1.2 L Maruti petrol, I have no complains - be it city or highway.

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This looks much better. Accessory manager had offered me alloy wheels of Brezza. I had decided on Momo Win Pro Evo and now again confused. I would save lot of VIT M
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I asked my Nexa dealer to put Brezza alloys to my 1.6 S cross. Cost is 25K and they won't buy back stock alloys. Few suggested me not to go for aftermarket alloys saying it won't have same strength as Stock alloys. I am saving around 15k by going for Brezza alloys instead of Momo.
Brezza alloys suit S-Cross very much and I too would have gone this way, had the Brezza alloys been available when I got my car. I personally would definitely prefer this over the Momo WinPro. The price of 25k is awesome IMO, especially for a genuine OE alloy. Now that you got to retain the S-Cross alloy and there is demand within the forum itself for that, it is turning out to be an excellent deal

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If technically permitted I would like to use these alloys on my S - cross !
It is technically very much permitted. Same diameter, same PCD and should have pretty much the same width as well. Being a OE alloy, there will be no need for hub rings or any such extra accessory. You can go ahead with confidence and with 100% peace of mind.

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I do not know how to decode VIN of Nexa cars. It's 17 digit number in both S cross and Baleno. I need 18th and 19th digit to decode. VIN is 17 digit everywhere in my baleno
No buddy, you are mistaken. Not sure about Baleno, but S-Cross definitely comes with a proper 19 character VIN which can be found printed in a metal plate in the engine bay, above the glow controller unit.

Even my RM initially was telling that there is nothing called VIN and some call the chassis number as VIN. He also told that it is only 17 characters. Thanks to Team-BHP, I knew where exactly the VIN is present and I had asked by RM to check the same and send me a pic, which he did. When I met him in person, he was like "How did you know this, when even we were not aware of this"

And yes, 19 characters are enough to decode the month and year of manufacture (the last 2 characters are used for this) - no need for 21 characters. The first 17 characters is the chassis number and the 2 characters for manufacture date combine with that to make the VIN.
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No buddy, you are mistaken. Not sure about Baleno, but S-Cross definitely comes with a proper 19 character VIN which can be found printed in a metal plate in the engine bay, above the glow controller unit.

Even my RM initially was telling that there is nothing called VIN and some call the chassis number as VIN. He also told that it is only 17 characters. Thanks to Team-BHP, I knew where exactly the VIN is present and I had asked by RM to check the same and send me a pic, which he did. When I met him in person, he was like "How did you know this, when even we were not aware of this"

And yes, 19 characters are enough to decode the month and year of manufacture (the last 2 characters are used for this) - no need for 21 characters. The first 17 characters is the chassis number and the 2 characters for manufacture date combine with that to make the VIN.
During purchase of Baleno, My RM had sent me 17 digit VIN. When I checked the car, I too found only 17 digit.

Now again for S cross, he sent me 17 digit VIN. I will check the entire VIN during PDI.

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During purchase of Baleno, My RM had sent me 17 digit VIN. When I checked the car, I too found only 17 digit.

Now again for S cross, he sent me 17 digit VIN. I will check the entire VIN during PDI.

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This 17 number VIN is the one which is printed on a plate which is situated inside bottom of the drivers side door and since it is very easy to access, the RM always shares only this as VIN. He/She conveniently forgets that the actual digits we are looking for the numbers which are absent in this plate and mentioned earlier is available only by opening the bonnet.
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Doing very fine. Had a very bad experience over the weekend. Next door kid entered into our parking area and expressed his love to somebody by scratching I love you with a small stone on the back door. He continued with the same enthusiasm and scratched stick figures of two kissing each other. And, I could not do anything, though caught him in the act as he is only a 4th standard student (according to his granny and others). Now, investing on some CC TV, some motion alarm etc to avoid the encore.
Absolutely nasty little demon of a kid!
You ought to at least speak to his ruddy parents and get them to teach the little monster that such behaviour is not acceptable.
Bah! Blighted Well Off Indian Parents and their zero discipline policies and fatuous smiling treatment of their little devils!

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There are some kids (poor children of the construction labourers and ironing man etc) in my neighbourhood. I keep buying them little things like ice creams and toys now and then just to keep them happy and specifically because I don't think that their parents can afford to give them these things. A child is a child and should feel like a child and get at least some privileges for being a child.

For the most part they are good natured and though they do play some dreadfully violent games involving sticks and stones and other such things, they give my vehicle and the other vehicles here a pretty wide berth.

Ive also kind of unofficially enrolled them to keep a "neighbourhood watch" kind of thing in exchange for the toys and sweets etc.
Nice kids overall. They are poor and humble but they are so much better behaved and kind than these blasted rich kids.

These chaps are kind to the stray dogs in the neighbourhood, often sharing biscuits and food etc. They share the toys and sweets amongst themselves in an honest manner.

Much to appreciate with these poor kids!
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Absolutely nasty little demon of a kid!
You ought to at least speak to his ruddy parents and get them to teach the little monster that such behaviour is not acceptable.
Bah! Blighted Well Off Indian Parents and their zero discipline policies and fatuous smiling treatment of their little devils!

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There are some kids (poor children of the construction labourers and ironing man etc) in my neighbourhood. I keep buying them little things like ice creams and toys now and then just to keep them happy and specifically because I don't think that their parents can afford to give them these things. A child is a child and should feel like a child and get at least some privileges for being a child.

For the most part they are good natured and though they do play some dreadfully violent games involving sticks and stones and other such things, they give my vehicle and the other vehicles here a pretty wide berth.

Ive also kind of unofficially enrolled them to keep a "neighbourhood watch" kind of thing in exchange for the toys and sweets etc.
Nice kids overall. They are poor and humble but they are so much better behaved and kind than these blasted rich kids.

These chaps are kind to the stray dogs in the neighbourhood, often sharing biscuits and food etc. They share the toys and sweets amongst themselves in an honest manner.

Much to appreciate with these poor kids!
Reading the two posts was really heartwarming. It generates so much of rage and anger when someone does something to the car. Kudos for keeping your calm. Hope the scratches are not too deep. Glad to have such kind souls in this forum. You guys made my day.
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This 17 number VIN is the one which is printed on a plate which is situated inside bottom of the drivers side door and since it is very easy to access, the RM always shares only this as VIN. He/She conveniently forgets that the actual digits we are looking for the numbers which are absent in this plate and mentioned earlier is available only by opening the bonnet.
In Baleno, VIN is 17 digit on both places.

I have asked for only Mats, Mud flaps and Alloys (Brezza). Any other accessories recommended? I am considering following things.

1. Rear spoiler
2. Illuminated door sills

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Let me tell in advance that I do not have rear spoiler.
I read somewhere in this forum that, the spoiler is fitted by drilling holes.
Please clear this before you decide on the spoiler.

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In Baleno, VIN is 17 digit on both places.

I have asked for only Mats, Mud flaps and Alloys (Brezza). Any other accessories recommended? I am considering following things.

1. Rear spoiler
2. Illuminated door sills

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In Baleno, VIN is 17 digit on both places.

I have asked for only Mats, Mud flaps and Alloys (Brezza). Any other accessories recommended? I am considering following things.

1. Rear spoiler
2. Illuminated door sills

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Not sure if you have opted for the Nexa accessories pack (which would add ~10k to the OTR price). That had some useful accessories like mobile charger, mobile holder, car cover, a mini-dustbin, a good quality microfiber cloth, car shampoo along with some useless stuff like 2 pillows. Not sure if these are worth the 10k we pay, but are pretty useful IMO.

Rear Spoiler is something I liked, but many people will not spot or appreciate but illuminated door sills are a wonderful addition. It has a lot of appeal and also gets attention from each and every person who gets into your car
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Let me tell in advance that I do not have rear spoiler.
I read somewhere in this forum that, the spoiler is fitted by drilling holes.
Please clear this before you decide on the spoiler.

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I will check that buddy. I am not comfortable about drilling holes.

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Not sure if you have opted for the Nexa accessories pack (which would add ~10k to the OTR price). That had some useful accessories like mobile charger, mobile holder, car cover, a mini-dustbin, a good quality microfiber cloth, car shampoo along with some useless stuff like 2 pillows. Not sure if these are worth the 10k we pay, but are pretty useful IMO.

Rear Spoiler is something I liked, but many people will not spot or appreciate but illuminated door sills are a wonderful addition. It has a lot of appeal and also gets attention from each and every person who gets into your car
9.75k is the price of Nexa standard accessories kit. I found it too overpriced and did not opt for it. Illuminated door sills cost 3.2k. It looks pretty cool and entire panel is changed
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Not sure if you have opted for the Nexa accessories pack (which would add ~10k to the OTR price). That had some useful accessories like mobile charger, mobile holder, car cover, a mini-dustbin, a good quality microfiber cloth, car shampoo along with some useless stuff like 2 pillows. Not sure if these are worth the 10k we pay, but are pretty useful IMO.

Rear Spoiler is something I liked, but many people will not spot or appreciate but illuminated door sills are a wonderful addition. It has a lot of appeal and also gets attention from each and every person who gets into your car
I did opted for the NEXA accessories pack and got everything you mentioned except the car cover. Do you think I can raise this with my RM now after three months?

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I did opted for the NEXA accessories pack and got everything you mentioned except the car cover. Do you think I can raise this with my RM now after three months?

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Body cover is included in this 10K kit. I am posting the price list. Look at bottom side for price breakup of Standard accessory kit.
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Are you sure that the engine took forever to cross 2k rpm? Firstly, as a owner of S-Cross 1.6 and having driven 5k kms..
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I personally disagree with the comments "the engine had nothing to offer below the 2000 RPM mark".
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Even while not in the turbo zone, this is NO WAY a dead car...

...For me, this is my first diesel - coming from a 1.2 L Maruti petrol, I have no complains - be it city or highway...
It is the exact way I felt when I moved from NA petrol car to Turbo diesel.
The turbo kick made me completely forget the complementary turbo lag.

But having driven 40K KMs now, I am no more blind sided by my initial euphoria.

If you really want to understand what other members mean by "dead zone", take a back to back TD of the following engines but keep all the cars below 1900 RPMs at all time:

1. Ford Figo TDCi
2. S-Cross 1.6
3. Mahindra XUV500

These 3 cars were the ones I took TD recently. Keeping the car below 1.9K RPMs actually makes us think about the Turbo Lag beyond the Turbo Kick.
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It is the exact way I felt when I moved from NA petrol car to Turbo diesel.
The turbo kick made me completely forget the complementary turbo lag.

But having driven 40K KMs now, I am no more blind sided by my initial euphoria.

If you really want to understand what other members mean by "dead zone", take a back to back TD of the following engines but keep all the cars below 1900 RPMs at all time:

1. Ford Figo TDCi
2. S-Cross 1.6
3. Mahindra XUV500

These 3 cars were the ones I took TD recently. Keeping the car below 1.9K RPMs actually makes us think about the Turbo Lag beyond the Turbo Kick.
1.6 has turbo lag. In gear acceleration of 1.6 is 19.x seconds from 40-100 in 4 th gear compared to 13.x of 1.3. But this is seriously not a big problem. A simple downshift, get into turbo zone and 1.6 will make sure to put up a smile on your face
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I will check that buddy. I am not comfortable about drilling holes.



9.75k is the price of Nexa standard accessories kit. I found it too overpriced and did not opt for it. Illuminated door sills cost 3.2k. It looks pretty cool and entire panel is changed
I got this package for free. Package included 2 sets of floor mats, mud flaps, tyvek car cover and illuminated sill guards. Sill guards really add to the oomph factor.

See if you can push your RM.

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Yes. It does. But it is glaringly evident only during test drives. In real life scenario, it is not as difficult as projected. Basically , once we learn to live with the behavior, its manageable.
If you drive in thick traffic (Bangalore like) more than 60% of the time, there is no need to go for 1.6. 1.3 will do the job wonderfully in city and highways.
However, if you want the 'feel good factor' to kick in every time you accelerate, go for 1.6.

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1.6 has turbo lag. In gear acceleration of 1.6 is 19.x seconds from 40-100 in 4 th gear compared to 13.x of 1.3. But this is seriously not a big problem. A simple downshift, get into turbo zone and 1.6 will make sure to put up a smile on your face
Have been driving in the 2k+ range and that is the best zone to be in with this engine. Very responsive and much in control. The real time mileage on the dashboard also shows better efficiency although I still have to get a mileage beyond 16kmph with this style of driving (feeling of being in downshift all time ).
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