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Old 15th June 2016, 23:15   #4966
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the vehicle's turbo lag was seriously noticeable. Overtaking had to be done in 2nd or first gear and most of the climb I had to do in 2nd and 3rd gear. It did feel seriously under powered for the hills.

Has anyone had a similar experience or would advice me to do something different?
I have a 1.3 S-Cross but wouldn't call it underpowered at all. Turbo lag, yes it is an issue with turbo charged diesels. The thing you need to remember is that this is a small engine powering a fairly large vehicle. Diesel engines deliver more torque and therefore you need to change your driving style a bit to harness that torque. Most of the torque is available in the turbo zone. What you are experiencing of not being able to complete a quick overtakes is due to not enough power being generated when you are outside the turbo zone. So the trick is to keep the engine in turbo.

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Not just you, anyone with a turbo charged diesel especially the MJD/DDiS owners go through this issue. Hills becomes really painful to drive through. Be thankful that you did not go for 1.6 variant. The lag in 1.3 is nothing compared to 1.6.

The only way to overcome is to keep the car in turbo zone i.e 1.9k + rpms.

The other option would be to get your car remapped. As the tuners tend to reduce the lag considerably.
Agree with you 100% on this. I drive on Western ghats often and didn't experience problems overtaking. It's become a whole lot easier after the remap. Even then you have to prepare the car ahead for the overtaking maneuvere. The remap specifically has helped me go higher on revs and power output post 3K RPM where as in stock it was simply useless post 3K RPM.

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Had this dissatisfaction earlier but not anymore. It needed some change in my driving style. Had this habit of upshifting early on and would not stay in lower gears much. Trying to drive in only 3+ gear all time. Realized that being eager to get in a higher gear doesn't help much with the driving experience.

The way I drive now is by judging the maximum speed possible based on road and traffic conditions and then choosing the gear according to that. So if I know that I can't go beyond 40 kmph on a road then I'll keep pushing the car in second gear. Initially, used to feel jerks while playing with acclerator at lower gears but it smoothened out eventually. Also, will keep on pushing at 3rd gear until I am sure that I can go beyond 60 kmph. This way I stay in turbo zone most of the time.

This is not heavy-footed driving but more of pulsating-foot driving without either completely flooring the acclerator or releasing it completely but playing somewhere in between. So I would push it to the point where there is an internal urge to upshift but instead of upshifting I would release accelerator a bit and try to get a feeling of cruising in that gear.
I do exactly this and I like to hear the thrum of the diesel engine.

The only thing I'd like to add to this conversation is to be careful not to switch off the car as soon as you stop after driving in the hills. You must let the turbo cool down by idling it for 90 seconds.
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Old 16th June 2016, 00:40   #4967
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Thank you an.nsit, @viral and sudeepg for your suggestions. I will change my driving style on my next trip and see the response of the vehicle in the hills before I consider a remap. I was a bit worried if my move to diesel was a mistake.
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I wear eye glasses and have difficulty with glare from oncoming vehicles (mild in case of low beam and severe in case of high beam). However I have always felt that the HID projectors reduce the glare for on coming vehicle very substantially. Any one else felt so?
The projector set up can 'channel' the light in a better fashion than regular reflectors and hence your finding is quite valid.

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S-Cross stock bixenon setup has Osram d5s bulbs and 25W ballast. Are the bulbs 4300k?
A quick search did give me a result that it indeed is 4300K. However, my thoughts are any spec can have different Kelvin ratings for the bulbs. D5S didn't seem to be a popular spec though, might be specific to Maruti so that owners buy replacement bulbs only from them.

A H4 HID bulb has almost all Kelvin ratings and one can choose which bulbs (color) do they want to have in the H4 set up.

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I have an S Cross 1.3 delta. Took my family for a 514 km drive up into the Kullu hills. ....the vehicle's turbo lag was seriously noticeable. Overtaking had to be done in 2nd or first gear and most of the climb I had to do in 2nd and 3rd gear...

Has anyone had a similar experience or would advice me to do something different?
Its the learning phase for you and hence a bit of dejection. You just need to get used to the power delivery of the car and then it'll be fine. I personally, shamelessly shift to first and crawl at major inclines without trying to keep the car @ 2000 rpm or get into unnecessary speeds. The thumb rule is to avoid looking at the gear and manage the motion at the comfortable speed / gear / rpm. If there is a slow moving vehicle, keep enough distance and follow till you have a good visibility & space to overtake. Make sure you shift at least @ 3000 rpm or above on inclines as the rpm will drop while shifting leaving you out of turbo zone if upshifted anything below 2500 rpm.

PS: For a normal gearshift speed, expect a drop of 500 rpm. So, if you upshift at 2500 rpm on normal roads, the engine will be spinning at 2000 rpm after the gear shift. On an incline, the speed drop will be higher and hence I suggested an upshift @ 3000 rpm. The drop in rpm is linearly proportional to the gearshift speed. The more time you take to compete gear shift, the rpm drop could be more; unless you are on a downward incline.

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Not just you, anyone with a turbo charged diesel...

The other option would be to get your car remapped. As the tuners tend to reduce the lag considerably.
Not all turbo charged diesels have this issue. Its all dependent on the way its tuned. You'll never have such issues with an Innova or the K9K series 85 bhp versions as there is zero turbo lag. As you said, MJD is notorious in this aspect.

Again, the tuners may reduce the turbo lag IF that's how the customer wants it. There is no general rule that a remap will definitely address the turbo lag. But since most of them find an issue with turbo lag, this is a parameter that will be tweaked.

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I am not happy with gloss black wrap above rear number plate. I am planning to remove it in few days. I love the front wrap around number number plate and ORVM .
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I have made few changes to the stock wheels by applying carbon fiber vinyl, which totally changes the look and feel of the alloys. Only if Maruti Suzuki had taken into notice the discontent among the S-Cross owners in India, it would have boosted the sales a lot.
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I agree with you Dr. Naren. The front looks pretty nice and so do the mirrors. The rear wrap does not go well as you've mentioned.

But overall, looks fabulous. Did you consider wrapping up the chrome strips on the front grill, just like the grill outside of India?

I am thinking of mat black roof actually. However, I need to see it virtually how it looks.

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I am not happy with gloss black wrap above rear number plate. I am planning to remove it in few days. I love the front wrap around number number plate and ORVM .
Instead of Gloss you could have used the matt as front, would suit to the bumper black.
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I agree with you Dr. Naren. The front looks pretty nice and so do the mirrors. The rear wrap does not go well as you've mentioned.

But overall, looks fabulous. Did you consider wrapping up the chrome strips on the front grill, just like the grill outside of India?

I am thinking of mat black roof actually. However, I need to see it virtually how it looks.
3M Store advised me not to wrap grill. They were not sure if it would stay on chrome. But local accessory guy is confident about it. I saw a duster with matte black wrapped front grill by him.

I would prefer to source the grill like kpzen.

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Instead of Gloss you could have used the matt as front, would suit to the bumper black.
I too think so. Front looks good because matte black wrap gels well with body cladding which is also of same colour. I will consider wrapping it in matte black after I remove gloss black wrap.
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I had earlier raised the below question. But read more on the forum.
So, need to visit the Stock Yard or ask for the Form 22. As the SA only has the 17 character Chassis Number.

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Looking at buying a 1.3 Zeta. Have been provided the VIN by the SA. But a bit unsure how to decode. As I see a little ambiguity regarding 21 or 19 or 17 characters in the VIN.

I have got: MA3FNEB1S00132291

Can someone help decode the manufacture Year, Month please.
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Have been provided the VIN by the SA. But a bit unsure how to decode. As I see a little ambiguity regarding 21 or 19 or 17 characters in the VIN.

I have got: MA3FNEB1S00132291

Can someone help decode the manufacture Year, Month please.
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This is only 17 characters. You need 19 characters, in which the last two characters dictate the Month and Year. There is a cross X after the above 17 characters and then the two characters for M and Y. Something like this:

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I had earlier raised the below question. But read more on the forum.
So, need to visit the Stock Yard or ask for the Form 22. As the SA only has the 17 character Chassis Number.

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Looking at buying a 1.3 Zeta. Have been provided the VIN by the SA. But a bit unsure how to decode. As I see a little ambiguity regarding 21 or 19 or 17 characters in the VIN.

I have got: MA3FNEB1S00132291

Can someone help decode the manufacture Year, Month please.
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I can say that your S-Cross is May/June 2016 manufactured for sure. Based on the VIN number provided, your S-Cross is after 4k number than mine which is April 2016 manufactured.
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Friends, during the second free service (@ 5000 Kms) of my Delta 1.6, I reported a suspension related issue at the Service Center: A heavy clunking sound which apparently originates from the “Rear Axle Tube” only when the vehicle is turning on a path with any gradient. Say, on a Ramp or curved path wherein the vehicle would require bending on one side due to slope in the path. [/b]
I have faced, I think, exact same problem in my 1.6 delta. When ever car used to move on uneven surface making it roll like a boat from left to right, there was this cluck cluck sound. Reported it with some other sound coming from left FD window and both were fixed.
But the problem came again after 2-3K Kms, again went back and they have fixed it, have said that they tightened the suspension bolts. But I think I have again heard it a day or two back after another 2-3 K Kms.

On top of this I have also heard some noises sometimes coming from back seat.... I have complained, it goes away and again comes back irritating me a lot.

Have had various visits and I am not at all happy with Maruti and have sort of given up on them.

Just drive with music and am trying to take this thud-pud and other sounds as part of it
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Hey Guys, I am thinking of upgrading the headlight bulbs in my 1.3 zeta. Could someone who has done this help me with your suggestions? I don't want to void the warranty by cutting the wire, etc. Also, it would be helpful if my fellow bangaloreans could suggest a place to get this done in South Bangalore. Thanks!
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Hey Guys, I am thinking of upgrading the headlight bulbs in my 1.3 zeta. Could someone who has done this help me with your suggestions? I don't want to void the warranty by cutting the wire, etc. Also, it would be helpful if my fellow bangaloreans could suggest a place to get this done in South Bangalore. Thanks!

Hi Satish,

where in Bangalore south do you stay? I have a 1.6 delta urban blue and stay in BSK III stage. It will be nice to say hi if I happen to chance upon you

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Do the 7" infotainment system in S-Cross comes with a remote control? I'm not able to recollect whether I received one, or misplaced this?
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