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Old 21st June 2016, 08:35   #5026
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Went on a picnic to the hill station called Mahabaleshwar. This time the car was loaded with 5 adults and 2 kids. However, it behaved really well in the ghat sections. Even with full load (almost), it is not at all difficult to pull this heavy dude in even 3rd gear. The car returned an average of 19.5 FE. FE would have been much higher, but due to usual clogging at the toll booth and a broken down truck in one of the ghaats, brought it down significantly.

I also drove on cruise control for close to 20 kms this time. When on cruise control, the FE keeps going up as if it is displaying the RPM.

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The K 14 has been exploited fully in Ciaz, extracting more power beyond 95 hp will reduce the fuel efficiency; MSIL engineers are working on M Series motor and have made changes in engine through low-friction piston setup and an all new ECU to maintain performance and fuel economy. Thus even after reducing 100 CC from 1.6 litre engine, they will be extracting relatively higher Torque compared to K Series making it fun to drive.

MSIL is switched to producing DDIS 320 against firm order / demand, while the DDIS 200 is being produced normally. The 320 motor is able to get about 20% of the S Cross sales and 80% is for 200 engine.

MSIL might get SHVS in DDIS 200 around festive season (straight fit / plug and play). The target is to have S Cross exceed 3K sales mark by end of third quarter of this FY with introduction of petrol and other associated changes in the portfolio.

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Is this based on the old M16 unit with a shorter stroke? AFAIK the M series engines are older than the K series ones. Not complaining anyway since I love the grunt from the older Suzuki motors Out of cruiosity, how much of a tax benefit would cars like the S-Cross and Ciaz get by using a 1.5 instead of a 1.6L motor?
S-Cross with more than 4m length, ground clearance more than 170mm and petrol engine of capacity above 1500cc will fall in SUV category. For this excise duty will be 30%.
But with this M15 engine, Maruti will have to pay 24% excise duty.
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S-Cross with more than 4m length, ground clearance more than 170mm and petrol engine of capacity above 1500cc will fall in SUV category. For this excise duty will be 30%.
But with this M15 engine, Maruti will have to pay 24% excise duty.
Won't the S Cross still come under SUV category being more than 4m in length and having more than 170mm GC? What am I missing here?
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S-Cross with more than 4m length, ground clearance more than 170mm and petrol engine of capacity above 1500cc will fall in SUV category. For this excise duty will be 30%.
But with this M15 engine, Maruti will have to pay 24% excise duty.
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Won't the S Cross still come under SUV category being more than 4m in length and having more than 170mm GC? What am I missing here?
Aren't you guys saying the same thing?

Bottom line is that S-Cross will always fall in the SUV category. Cheers !
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Won't the S Cross still come under SUV category being more than 4m in length and having more than 170mm GC? What am I missing here?
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Aren't you guys saying the same thing?

Bottom line is that S-Cross will always fall in the SUV category. Cheers !
For a vehicle to be considered a SUV (don't know who defined this), all the 3 conditions should be met
1. Length more than 4m
2. Engine capacity above 1500cc
3. Ground clearance more than 170mm
So, as of now S-Cross 1.6 falls in the 30% excise duty category but not S-Cross 1.3. Similarly S-Cross with M15 engine will not be under 30% bracket but 24%.
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To all the S Cross owners,
I have been driving the DDIS 200 Zeta Caffeine brown for a month now, gem of an engine and a lovely experience so far, everything seems to be working as required till now but and have been facing a unique issue: I am 5' 8, and I like to sit close to the steering and high so that the bonnet is a bit visible now due to the excellent flexibility in the seat height adjuster and height and reach adjusting steering I have been able to find a sweet driving position, however the IRVM then comes in to my driving vision when looking left-center for on coming traffic. It sort of becomes a bit irritating to swing the neck right and left to check for traffic
Now, I used to drive the Indica vista before this and never faced such an issue as the IRVM is position quite high due to the large front windscreen.
Is there a way the IRVM position can be changed?
What about Alpha owners? is the position of the IRVM on the front windscreen or from the car ceiling?
will changing the IRVM to the auto dimming one solve this issue of positioning?

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Is there a way the IRVM position can be changed?
What about Alpha owners? is the position of the IRVM on the front windscreen or from the car ceiling?
will changing the IRVM to the auto dimming one solve this issue of positioning?
It will be difficult to change the mounting position of IRVM.
In all the variants, the IRVM is from the top position of front windscreen.

Do not understand how the change to auto dimming will address the positioning issue.


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I also drove on cruise control for close to 20 kms this time. When on cruise control, the FE keeps going up as if it is displaying the RPM.
Every time I tried cruise control, I got FE a tad less than what I used to get in manual mode. May be I use coasting in manual mode and which helps in improving the FE as against the cruise control in which coasting is not possible.

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I seem to have the heavy clunking sound as well. It has happened twice when the vehicle was at a turn. both the times it scared the living daylights out of me. I stopped the car and then looked around for fallen trees on my car. There is nothing noticeable in the ride and handling when this happens. No sudden twitching or anything like that.

Edit: Can you please help us to locate the issue in the picture on the old tube? What was the reason for the clunking sound?
Yes, as such there is no affect to the ride and handling because of these clunks.They only generate while turning on a ramp or some sloping surface. Imagine it in a way wherein both the ends of the Axle Tube are not at the same distance from ground. This would obviously occur while maneuvering on a surface having some gradient.

There is no specific location I would be able to identify, but certainly it is heard from either of the tube's ends. Reason for such a sound as per MSIL is due to defective welding at the joints in the Axle Tube (it weighs around 25-30 Kilos). So probably friction in these faulty joints creates a clunking sound.

One of the mechanics at the service center mentioned similar problems faced by customers of Swift Dzire (2009-10 models) wherein MSIL had ended up modifying the design of the axle tube.
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I am 5' 8, and I like to sit close to the steering and high so that the bonnet is a bit visible now due to the excellent flexibility in the seat height adjuster and height and reach adjusting steering I have been able to find a sweet driving position, however the IRVM then comes in to my driving vision when looking left-center for on coming traffic.
Simply put, you are sitting wrong. Autodimming IRVMs are also mounted on the top of the windscreen since their light sensor needs to sit there. Why do you have to be able to see the bonnet may I ask? The S-Cross' bonnet tapers downward so while you may see a part of it, it's not like you can see the end of the bonnet, what use is that? This reminds me of the driving position I switch to when maneuvering my Kizashi through ditches off-road in narrow paths in poor light absolutely not recommended for normal driving. If you are not confident driving in any other way, perhaps you need to look into taking an intermediate driver improvement course.
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My old ritz had an upgraded wiring kit with 100/130s on left and 100/90s on right. It was just brilliant. The current ones in the s-cross does not even come close. The ritz had a brilliant reflector design that gives a very good throw. I am not sure what the scenario is in the s-cross. I would be upgrading soon, with rains and on roads without street lights (read NH47 currently) the road is literally a light sponge and you cannot see anything at all with the stock s-cross head lamps.
Why do we need such powerful bulbs? Is it legal? We have threads where we talk about these things as not proper and yet we are looking out for more powerful bulbs.
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Why do we need such powerful bulbs? Is it legal? We have threads where we talk about these things as not proper and yet we are looking out for more powerful bulbs.

Believe it or not, I did not know I had 100/130s on the left until a friend pointed it out. (But I am not complaining) . I do most of my driving post 1 am and in the kind of roads that I drive on, I am putting myself at risk with low wattage bulbs. The 100/90s on low had a clear beam cut pattern that in no way shines right into the eye of the on coming traffic. The high beam is used as a flasher to force oncoming traffic to use low beam. I am even careful on left and right hand curves.

These lights and upgrade kits are available in the market and easy to obtain. There has not been a crack down on these from the cops and they save my life and my car on these dark roads. I feel it is better than auxiliary driving lamps.
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Can fellow bhpians who bought the S Cross 1.6 in this year advise the car's year of manufacture please? With the rumour in the air around Maruti trying to exhaust the current stock of 1.6 and then discontinue it, what will be the year of manufacture if someone books the 1.6 now?
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what will be the year of manufacture if someone books the 1.6 now?
DDiS320 is manufactured based on an order. Year of manufacture if booked now will be 2016

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Facing a peculiar problem in my 1.6 delta. The alarm triggers on its own some times. Has any one else faced similar issues
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