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Old 21st December 2015, 09:34   #661
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You're not too far off the mark, Shakensoul! Hyundai is apparently so secretive about the correct kerb wt of the Creta that I noticed three different values mentioned (as per the RTO docs. & Autocar India) by three members in their posts, further down this same thread:-

1108 kgs.. Ludhiana RTO, posted by gsratta
1265 kgs.. posted by RavenAid
1360 kgs..Cochin RTO, posted by naveen.raju
1265 kgs.. Autocar India, posted by RSR

Even allowing for some variation in wt. for the different spec. models, this seems rather steep. I mean 1108 or 1265 kgs for an SUV which is 4.27m long (the Ecosport at 3.99m long is almost a foot shorter & weighs in at 1222 kgs) - how does that sound? To me it seems a lot of hype about honey-comb monocoques & NCAP ratings for basically candyfloss structurals. And as I've said elsewhere, all the computer modelling and stress analysis won't convince me that a super-light monocoque has much going for it apart from torsional rigidity (for that "nimble & agile handling"). Certainly not the abuse-friendly rugged strength one expects from an SUV costing upwards of 16 lakhs. And don't forget that missing side-impact NCAP rating!
The 1108 Kgs that you have quoted is from a unverified source.

The unlanden weight of Creta 1.4 S CRDI model is 1326 Kgs as per RTO registration.

To find out if Hyundai has hidden/falsified any information, you can file an RTI with the RTO asking for documents which Hyundai has submitted for registration.

It will cost only Rs. 10 and clear all doubts. Here is the link to find the address of Mumbai RTI PIO officer.

http://mahatranscom.in/Rti_act.aspx

Kolkata RTO PIO - http://rtiwb.gov.in/ASP/aa_pio_info_frm1.asp
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Here is my Leather steering cover bought from Aliexpress.



More details in my ownership topic

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ml#post3852926 (The new kid on the block - Hyundai Creta 1.4L CRDI (S variant))
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Hyundai is apparently so secretive about the correct kerb wt of the Creta that I noticed three different values mentioned (as per the RTO docs. & Autocar India) by three members in their posts, further down this same thread:-

1108 kgs.. Ludhiana RTO, posted by gsratta
1265 kgs.. posted by RavenAid
1360 kgs..Cochin RTO, posted by naveen.raju
1265 kgs.. Autocar India, posted by RSR
For the record, gsratta got the numbers from a Hyundai dealership, and not from the RTO itself.

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Today i went to a Hyundai showroom, where I was able to find a link with the GM,
I suggested him to look in the data they submit to the RTA, for registration of the vehicles, and to my utter surprise, the value of the unlaiden weight, which is equal to the kerb weight, of the top spec SXO, 6 airbags model, with all the bells and whistles, was 1108kg,
I asked them to recheck, the person got it written on a slip, from the staff dealing with the registration of the new vehicles, unlaiden weight- 1108kg and Gross weight of around 1500kg.
I clearly specified that my Creta is a SX+ VTVT, which means 1.6L petrol:

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My Lazarus (SX+ VTVT) has the following weight numbers, as per official RTO registration
Naveen's Creta is a SX(O) CRDi, which means it is a 1.6L diesel. Ownership thread here (It came, I saw, We conquered - Our Hyundai Creta 1.6 Diesel SX(O)):

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My car which is registered at cochin RTO states:
Unladen Weight - 1360kg
Gross weight - 1790kg
RSR's screenshot of the official Creta data sheet from AutoCar India specifically says:

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And Shakensoul's post is crystal clear as well:

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The unlanden weight of Creta 1.4 S CRDI model is 1326 Kgs as per RTO registration.

Collecting from all of the above:

Creta 1.6L petrol = Kerb weight 1265 kgs, Gross weight 1690 kgs.
Creta 1.6L diesel = Kerb weight 1360 kgs, Gross weight 1790 kgs.
Creta 1.6L diesel Automatic = Kerb weight 1367 kgs, Gross weight 1797 kgs.
Creta 1.4L diesel = Kerb weight 1326 kgs, Gross weight 1756 kgs.


Gross weight numbers of the AT & the 1.4L diesels can be further clarified by BHPians BNM, TheGoan, Shakensoul, or any other owners of these 2 specific models of the Creta.
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Gross weight of Creta 1.4L Diesel is 1760 Kgs as per RTO registration.
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For the record, gsratta got the numbers from a Hyundai dealership, and not from the RTO itself.
I clearly specified that my Creta is a SX+ VTVT, which means 1.6L petrol:
Naveen's Creta is a SX(O) CRDi, which means it is a 1.6L diesel. Ownership thread here (It came, I saw, We conquered - Our Hyundai Creta 1.6 Diesel SX(O)):
RSR's screenshot of the official Creta data sheet from AutoCar India specifically says:
Collecting from all of the above:
[b]Creta 1.6L petrol = Kerb weight 1265 kgs, Gross weight 1690 kgs.
Creta 1.6L diesel = Kerb weight 1360 kgs, Gross weight 1790 kgs.
Creta 1.6L diesel Automatic = Kerb weight 1367 kgs, Gross weight 1797 kgs.
Creta 1.4L diesel = Kerb weight 1326 kgs, Gross weight 1756 kgs.
Hello RavenAvi,
Thanks for the clarification. My contention was that the kerb wt (not gross wt) of the Creta (an SUV aspirant) varies from model to model, as you mention. I still believe that an aspiring SUV (monocoque or otherwise) of this size should have (for safety & strength) a kerb wt. at least 150kgs+.
And my apologies for the earlier typo error - RavenAid instead of RavenAvi!



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Gross weight of Creta 1.4L Diesel is 1760 Kgs as per RTO registration.
Thanks Shakensoul for the added clarification. As I've mentioned to RavenAvi above, I still believe the kerb wt of the Creta should be 150kgs+ for the various models, for the given reason.
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I still believe that an aspiring SUV (monocoque or otherwise) of this size should have (for safety & strength) a kerb wt. at least 150kgs+.
Hi Shashanka, I don't agree that monocoque SUVs need to be much heavier. Creta is already heavier than the Verna and these two are based on the same platform and feature same engine and even gearbox at most occasions.
Also, with the modern cars, we can't relate weight and safety ratings.

On a related note, a 1.4L diesel feels ok in an i20 and sluggish in the Creta. If it was 150 kg heavier, Creta 1.4L would make progress slower than an Alto may be. More weight even means poor braking and handling too. And it's a Hyundai, no Fiat/Ford, so adding weight would create problems for the Creta, or any other car for that matter.
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(for safety & strength) a kerb wt. at least 150kgs+
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we can't relate weight and safety ratings.
Would tend to agree with Ashish...Weight, safety and strength do not have a linear relationship in modern cars anymore. IMHO, the move now is increasingly towards lighter weight collapsible portions which will absorb impact of a crash and not transfer the full impact of sudden momentum loss to the occupants. For cabin security, beams with high tensile strength are used to provide a shell.

The earlier notion of 'solid' was cars like ambassador which used thick (and hence heavy) sheets. But now, such weight is considered counter-productive to braking/handling capability, in-turn impacting safety adversely. So far, have seen owners/reviewers pretty happy with the handling/braking of the Creta. Hence, overall, for the purpose Creta is built, the weight seems fine.
Of-course, I am not going by their tag of 'perfect SUV'. It is more an urban SUV...where off-roading/soft-roading is limited to potholed roads! If one goes strictly by the tagline, there is weight (pun intended!) in shashanka's argument.

Also, monocoques by design are lighter-weight than ladder-chassis and the pros and cons of those are a different topic altogether.
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I need help from fellow creta owners.
I have been having serious braking issues while braking on high speed in rough/rubble surface. The brakes get stuck on a soft paddle press and do not push down further, unless extreme pressure is applied. Have personally escaped serious accident on 3 ocassions. Is there a deffect ! This doesnt seem to be regular ABS function. The service center guys are not able to help either.
Can others please test verify and share there feedback!! If this is common, we should be escalating to hyundai. This issue is taking away the pleassure driving this car and am loosing confidence braking on high speeds. HELP
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Hi Shashanka, I don't agree that monocoque SUVs ....any other car for that matter.
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Would tend to agree with Ashish.....monocoques by design are lighter-weight than ladder-chassis and the pros and cons of those are a different topic altogether.
Hello Ashish, Zing,

Broadly speaking I agree with you that monocoques/space frames are inherently lighter - its in the nature of the beast! Ratchet up the torsional rigidity while loosing out on impact strength. Unfortunately, there is no getting around this - except in cases like Audi & Aston Martin, to name a few. The boffins there, despite tom-tomming the virtues of their high-tech, super-light, super-strong Al-alloys and despite their detailed stress analyses - when it came to kerb wts they were unable to get much below 1600-1700 kg for their main stream cars to meet safety & strength bench marks.

And despite my best efforts I'm not able to convince myself that Hyundai has developed similar metallurgy while also sticking to the price points that they are sticking to. There is usually a trade-off.
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braking on high speed in rough/rubble surface. The brakes get stuck on a soft paddle press and do not push down further, unless extreme pressure is applied
I haven't really been in that scenario where I had to brake hard on rubble! I also cannot help but wonder (and worry) why/how you get in such a situation so frequently!

But it cannot be anything except ABS as this is the exact situation for ABS to kick in. If there is a grinding sound which makes you instinctively let go off the pressure on the brake pedal, that might just show that the ABS is working.
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Although Hyundai have deservedly shaken up this segment with the superb, safe, sound and best all-rounder in this segment in the form of the Creta, I simply must appreciate Renault for bringing in the Duster and creating this wonderful segment of modern, refined and safe SUVs in the first place.

Till the entry of Renault's wonderful Duster, customers in India were being taken for a horrible ride by a certain manufacturer of very crude, shockingly unrefined, dramatically obese and hopelessly outdated utility vehicles based on primitive pick-up truck frames, dating right back to the previous millenium!

Such unrefined, farm tractor-like vehicles were laughably glorified as "sports utility vehicles" when there was absolutely nothing even remotely sporty about the crude machines marketed as "SUVs". Such was the shockingly crude nature of these vehicles, that one of them even used a primitive hand-me-down chassis which was a leftover dating back to the time of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin & their contemporaries.

The WW II Jeep had been discarded by the company that originally created it. This ancient discard was continuously worked on by the domestic jugaad specialist, whose continuous jugaadineering (i.e. the jugaad version of engineering) lead to their first supposed "SUV". It was tagged so, just because the canvas top was replaced by a factory metal body and had a couple of features like air-conditioning and power steering, which were great feats for the domestic jugaadineering company at that time. The funniest thing about such an "SUV" was that it featured a tractor engine (no kidding at all!) Of course, the farm tractor engine was "treated" to things like direct injection and a turbocharger, before being plonked into the crude and ancient body of the glorified utility vehicle that masqueraded as a supposed "SUV".

The jugaadineered UV's success in the marketplace at that time lead to more such products built on the same principle (i.e. take a crude ladder frame pick-up truck chassis, bolt on a body, plonk in a tricked-up engine based on some pre-historic lump, equip it with some modern convenience features, and market the crude but glorified utility vehicle as a supposed "sport utility vehicle".

These extremely crude, unsafe, shoddy, shockingly unrefined and hopelessly obese triple-cab pick-up trucks were having a gala time in the marketplace only because there was hardly any competiton in this segment. The glorified triple-cab pick-up trucks made hay as long as the sun shined for their maker. On a lighter note, making hay wasn't something exactly new to the vehicles' metal hearts, as the engines were basically tricked-up versions of the crude, ancient lumps powering farm tractors made by the same company.

Anyway, the Renault Duster heralded the entry of modern, refined, safe and sound SUVs in this segment, finally! Yaaay!!! Boy, what a much-needed & welcome change this India-made Franco-Romanian SUV was in this space! Finally, people in India could buy something the rest of the world had been enjoying for a long time - modern, safe, refined SUVs that did not share their chassis with some half-a-century old discard, and powered by engines that did not share their blocks with farm tractors! Finally, proper engineering prowess had entered this segment, instead of the jugaadineering that was the order of the day till then!

It was the Duster that cracked open this segment. The fantastic Ford EcoSport soon followed, although in the sub-4m space. The EcoSport simply annihilated a certain horrendously & hideously ugly jugaadineered product. In keeping with the finely honed art of jugaadineering, this visual disaster of a vehicle was made by chopping off a ladder-frame MPV (that in itself was very ugly to begin with) in order to take on the superbly engineered, safe, sexy & stonking Ford EcoSport. The horrendous visual disaster turned out to be a great sales diasater as well, which is just as well! The Indian market was finally beginning to mature, by welcoming proper modern engineering, and flatly rejecting jugaadineering.

As soon as the Duster & EcoSport prised open the segment for products of modern engineering, others followed. The Duster's twin came out wearing the badge of the French company's alliance partner. Then came the Maruti Suzuki S-Cross and of course, the Hyundai Creta.

All these modern, safe, solid, refined, high quality products of 21st century engineering need to thank Renault, which is turning out to be a super courageous company that's changing the game in several ways and in several segments!

Hyundai thoroughly deserve to celebrate the well-deserved success of their super hit product Creta. But this success would not have been possible if it were not for the wonderful Duster. The manufacturers of the Creta, S-Cross, Terrano and even the EcoSport must not forget the pioneering efforts of Renault's Duster, which turned out to be a hero in the Indian automotive scene, by courageously liberating the SUV segment from the vice-like stranglehold that jugaadineering had on this space! My respect to Renault India for their great deeds which actually paved the way for products like the thoroughly deserved winner of the prestigious ICOTY 2016!

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The Hyundai Creta, launched on 21st July of this year, is nearing 1,00,000 bookings in it's sales run. This is the fastest run to the 1-lakh mark by an Indian car in 2015.

Hyundai India is sitting pretty with over 92,000 bookings till now, out of which around 35,000 Cretas have been delivered in the Indian market and nearly 13,000 Cretas have been exported out.

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"We hope to touch order book of 100,000 units by this month end. After generating a tremendous response in the domestic market with more than 75,000 bookings, Creta has been globally launched with an overwhelming response. We have already shipped 12,270 units so far to export destinations", said Rakesh Srivastava, said Rakesh Srivastava, Hyundai's senior vice-president (sales & marketing).

Creta has been shipped to 77 countries. For the Korean car maker, Creta is being manufactured only in India. The SUV is being exported to Latin American countries like Colombia, Costarica, Peru, Panama, West Asian markets of Oman, UAE, Saudi Arabia and African countries like Egypt, Morocco and Nigeria.

Hyundai has been the largest exporter of passenger vehicles from the country for last few years, shipping to over 60 countries.

Creta has had long waiting period since the launch and the current waiting period is in excess of three months in domestic market.
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Although Hyundai have deservedly shaken up this segment with the superb, safe, sound and best all-rounder in this segment in the form of the Creta, I simply must appreciate Renault for bringing in the Duster and creating this wonderful segment of modern, refined and safe SUVs in the first place.

Till the entry of Renault's wonderful Duster, customers in India were being taken for a horrible ride by a certain manufacturer of very crude, shockingly unrefined, dramatically obese and hopelessly outdated utility vehicles based on primitive pick-up truck frames, dating right back to the previous millenium!
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The WW II Jeep had been discarded by the company that originally created it. This ancient discard was continuously worked on by the domestic jugaad specialist, whose continuous jugaadineering (i.e. the jugaad version of engineering) lead to their first supposed "SUV". ...

My respect to Renault India for their great deeds which actually paved the way for products like the thoroughly deserved winner of the prestigious ICOTY 2016!
With all due respect Sir, the so called Jugaadineered ancient lump of metal is the only proper go anywhere Utility Vehicle in this whole list. All other vehicles are primarily tarmac based vehicles with only one, the Duster capable of some off roading in the AWD version.
I wholeheartedly agree with your view that the Duster was indeed the first of the modern UV's and the Creta and EcoSport are among the best in class, however for people looking for anything beyond road presence and mild off roading or more appropriately usage of Indian roads the so call Jugaad is a far more capable vehicle, it may not be anywhere near as safe, comfortable, quiet or refined as the others in this list but they will never be able go where this machine can and may not even be capable of withstanding such abuse as this Jugaad can.

Further apologies for being forthright but I would believe that a bit more respect is in order for the Indian Manufacturer who (according to you is only a jugaadineering expert) has managed to manufacture one of the better selling 15 Lakh + UV's in our market, whose products do have a certain following amongst our ranks.

Just my thoughts but I felt a bit of disrespect flying around for an Indian Manufacturer in your post.
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Hyundai India is sitting pretty with over 92,000 bookings till now, out of which around 35,000 Cretas have been delivered in the Indian market and nearly 13,000 Cretas have been exported out.
Great to hear that.

However i do hope they do not shift focus more to exports at the expense of Indian consumers, a case we have seen earlier by other manufacturer.

If i remember correctly out of the 900000 bookings , 75000 were for domestic market and 16000 for export and as per this report they have shipped 80% (13000 already) abroad but not even 50% ( only 35000) earmarked for Indian market. It may make more business sense to make more profit and expand network, however the sentiments of public which initially made your launch a success must not be ignored.

We have been made to understand that they are ramping up the production to 10000 pm from Jan and i do hope all get a fare share.

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