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Old 16th June 2016, 09:54   #1186
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Yet to hear from the service center.
Got the tank yesterday evening. Did the normal 3k servicing.

The engg informed that the software was updated, took a test drive for ~63kms to check amt flag.
As per him, there is no problem.

- the tank was not washed properly
- had filled in 1k INR diesel earlier night.
Now dte shows ~100km

Positives - the drive now feels smoother than earlier.
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On inquiring, the service manager showed me a transmission bolt which he claims had come lose and hence it interfered with the creep function of the vehicle resulting in malfunction light turning on. According to him there is nothing wrong with AMT system. I don't know how true is that. Will have to wait and watch how the car performs from hereon. Will keep updating as usual.
Why cant these guys put it in logs of job card and then show the owners?
That knowledge should also get passed on to others.

All these verbal talks definitely create doubts in our minds.
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Captain - can you post a recording of this noise. I havent faced any clanking from any part of the car. The only noise that I sometime hear during gear shifts is a metallic clink at times. Sounds similar to small rings/washers touching each other.
Sorry RJ for the delay, was caught up in work. Managed to record the noise. Then found that it was not so easy to post it here.

Here is my journey to get the noise posted here.
1. When I wanted to record, found my phone does not have a recorder.
2. Asked daughter to record using the 'whatsapp' recorder and sent to wife.
3. The found out that the 'whatsapp' audio is in '.opus' format.
4. Converted that to '.mp3' thinking that TBHP supports .mp3 uploads.
5. Found out that '.mp3' can not be uploaded on TBHP, and on YouTube.
6. Created a video for YouTube using 'TuneToTube' and then finally below is the result.

Please use headphones with volume on max. (don't worry, there's no other sound to deafen you) The noise are at 00:08, 00:14, 00:30, 00:36 and 01:00.
PS - enjoy the pic of the TUV.

I too get a grating noise when shifting from 2nd to 3rd and vice versa.



On Monday, 13.06.16, the Technical Manage from Zulaikha Motors came home early in the morning to do the test drive while the engine was still cold, and he got to hear the clanking noise I was complaining about. He promised to pick up the vehicle the next day, and then replicate the noise to his technical team when the engine was cold.
Today the vehicle was picked up for the diagnosis. Let's see what MASS comes up with.
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Today the vehicle was picked up for the diagnosis. Let's see what MASS comes up with.
Wont be surprised if they say it was a lubrication issue and it has been solved by adding extra grease/oiling the gear lever
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Wont be surprised if they say it was a lubrication issue and it has been solved by adding extra grease/oiling the gear lever
I hope they come up with something better than that, because the noise vanishes when the engine gets warmed up.
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Gave the dwarf for Second service today and ended up with a failed alternator. Details here (Red Dwarf – My 2016 Mahindra TUV300 T8 Manual)
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Voltage at terminal with Engine running and RPMs around 2000 should cross 13Volts at least.

Irrespective of the level of sophistication, if this basic check fails, the first hint is indeed the alternator - Wiring, Grounding or the Alternator itself!

I doubt if the battery can go faulty this soon but the ACS could have got another battery and tried it too to isolate the battery.

Fuses, Sensors, Low Voltage Warning - I would now bother about that later before the alternator is able to produce current good enough to charge the Battery the way it should.

I am suspecting that the washing with pressurised water wrongly inside the engine bay components may have resulted in the alternator going kaput although this is far possibility the way it's placed and designed to withstand rain water. However, as this happened right after service, I am inclined towards this reason.

See if they can pull a spare alternator from another TUV that's waiting for repairs (body shop etc) or their own TD car.

Check all the ground terminals too and see if anything is left loose.

Let your TUV's alternator installed into another TUV and check if that car displays similar symptoms.
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As per latest information from some techs there is a recall for alternator or related assembly. So failing alternator could be a result of that only.

There is one more recall related to ABS WSS wiring harness as well. So please be alert to ask for same when you visit service center.

As expected all are being done silently.
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On inquiring, the service manager showed me a transmission bolt which he claims had come lose and hence it interfered with the creep function of the vehicle resulting in malfunction light turning on. According to him there is nothing wrong with AMT system.
I am taking a guess here, but I feel the whole bunch of issues in AMT seem to be caused by minor stuff like some bolt being loose or a single part malfunctioning. This seems to be the reason why M&M technician's seem cool while handling them [I m a s/w developer and can relate to this experience where minor logic flaws in the code cause my client to be jumpy and me thinks its just a minor issue qhile fixing the same nonchalantly].
This doubt for AMT is the reason I went for a MT. No troubles with it so far.
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I am suspecting that the washing with pressurised water wrongly inside the engine bay components may have resulted in the alternator going kaput although this is far possibility the way it's placed and designed to withstand rain water. However, as this happened right after service, I am inclined towards this reason.
I think you hit the nail on the head parag. How can I be so sure? Before the wash they actually did a battery check using a hand held device that prints out a report & as a part of that check they actually test battery voltage when accelerator is depressed. I could see the bars on the device increase when the accelerator is depressed, which I assume indicates increased voltage at battery terminals & hence a healthy alternator. The report said the battery system is good

And the alternator might be well protected from the bottom & sides but from the top, its very easy for a jet of water to reach the alternator. Check this pic from the official review. If you stand right above the alternator, it clearly visible and quiet easy to reach.

I guess its time to change the service center

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As per latest information from some techs there is a recall for alternator or related assembly. So failing alternator could be a result of that only.
Can you please share more details on this.

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There is one more recall related to ABS WSS wiring harness as well. So please be alert to ask for same when you visit service center.
I saw the post from a TUV owner on Facebook and he confirmed that this was a recall. He clarified that they did not replace anything but only taped the wiring. Has anyone here received a call from M&M for ABS wiring?

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I have been driving Automatics for around 15 years now, starting from a used Maruti 800 AT (yes there were a few of these), Santro Xing AT, i10 Sports AT, Honda City Gxi CVT, Grand i10 AT (& a few more outside India like Toyota Corolla, Mazda Demio, Toyota Corolla Hatchback, etc). This background may help you relate to what I write below.

Did a test drive of the 100bhp T8 AMT.
Skipping everything else good & bad about this car/vehicle that has been already mentioned earlier, I will write only about the experience with the AMT on this version:
- Upshifts: Shifts reasonably early but the lag between each shift is too much. I guess that is inherent to AMT systems as such, so nothing extraordinarily out of place here.

- Downshifts: Unforced downshifts are pretty ok too. If you are just braking & stopping it behaves ok. But forced downshifts are jerky at best! Yes, you would really need to plan those overtaking maneuvers & probably back out of most of them.

- Rolling back on slopes: very weak. To test this I kept the car in Automatic mode on a slope & kept the brakes applied. If I quickly release the brake fully, the car rolls back substantially before it engages the gear & starts creeping forward again. If I release the brakes partially, the car will keep rolling back & the gear will never engage to creep forward. Basically, its a very uncomfortable feeling to have to let go of the brake completely to let it creep on its own, & in that process the car still rolls back substantially before it starts creeping forward. For me this is as good as not usable at all. You should instead rely on the parking brake for safety against rolling back on this car!

- Creep (on level ground) - Creep function is average at best. Firstly there is a lag (the AMT lag) before it kicks in. Then its usually too much speed to be effective & you need to apply brakes. As soon as you apply brakes, the lag drama starts all over again. If you try to compensate with a little accelerator input, it leaps forward too strongly/quickly. Bumper to bumper traffic will not be as easy as you would imagine it to be with other "automatics".

Didnt notice jerks except when doing a forced downshift. The car itself was very jerky (or you may call it responsive ) when in the first gear.

I really love the TUV300 & its on my list to buy, but all the niggles & the AMT particularly is making me reconsider it all over again. The horror stories from the older AMT dont help too, so in my opinion its better to let others test out this version for reliability & other issues & let Mahindra sort them out first (if they can - they probably left the 80bhp guys stranded). After all that is what Mahindra likes to follow before it releases a reliable enough product, it seems.

Not impressed by the AMT & the niggles on this thread, but mighty impressed with the car. A bad place to be

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Dear Owners,

I have got “Malfunction Lamp (OBD)” warning 4 times now in last 2 weeks.

First time when car showed it I went to the service center next day (it stopped showing by then) and after checking with laptop they said it was just a random error and nothing needs to be done. During my 3rd service I asked them to check specifically for this and they confirmed that car had no issues. Just after next day of service I again got the same warning and car lost some power; again went to service center and this time they diagnosed that modulator needs to be changed. After that car ran fine for 2 days but today while coming from office I again got same warning and car lost some power. Seems service center is clueless about the reason of same. Does any TUV owner faced same problem?

Note- I am early buyer of TUV and had all known recalls in my car.

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I have got “Malfunction Lamp (OBD)” warning 4 times now in last 2 weeks.
Assuming that you are driving a MT, did you get your Fuel delivery module replaced? Power loss issues reported by other owners in the past have typically been fixed after FDM replacement.
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So I happened to hop along with a friend who is on a test drive spree these days. Today was TUV3OO day.

Test drive was pretty short. Less than 3 kms in total. While my friend was gunning it and trying to fly off, I probably bored everyone to death with crawl speeds.

I was expecting a noisy, grumpy, anemic engine given that it doesn't have a fourth cylinder. I was pleasantly surprised. It did not feel unrefined, wasn't too noisy, neither did it lack anywhere in performance. It was able to pull the car from almost a dead stop without any A-input. Crawling is easy, just lift the foot of the clutch. Gear shifts seemed a little rubbery, but maybe coz it was a brand new TD car.

Interiors are nice, with the right mix of beige-black. The instrument dials are trendy, bright and legible. Didn't much like the audio quality from the stock unit/speakers. Overall, a decent package at 10.16 lakhs on road GGN (T8 100bhp MT).

My friend is completely sold on this compared to the Ford Ecosport. For now, I have asked him to wait a year at least. Until, all the niggles get sorted and in the meantime we will also get to know it's crash worthiness score.
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For AMT owners -

New observation today; in manual mode we all know about the automatic downshifts, but I noticed that the gears automatically up-shift as well at 4000 RPM. This means that the actual manual driving range is quite limited.

Otherwise, my T8 AMT is cruising well at close to 9000 on the Odometer without any major issues (Touchwood). Looking forward to the 10K service.
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