Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Team-BHP Reviews > Official New Car Reviews


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 9th June 2016, 23:35   #991
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 33
Thanked: Once
Default Re: Maruti Baleno : Official Review

Has anyone faced a rollback issue with Baleno CVT on steep inclines in Bangalore roads? Especially since Hill Hold Assist / Hill Brake Assist is not present in Baleno. Polo / Ameo / Figo DCT all have this feature.

I have more or less finalized on Baleno Zeta CVT except for this potential problem.
nandab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th June 2016, 23:44   #992
BHPian
 
vivekgk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Trivandrum
Posts: 627
Thanked: 333 Times
Default Re: Maruti Baleno : Official Review

Good to know that the waiting periods are coming down. I was initially totally sold on the baleno delta, but i was considering several others because of the extended delays. Is it possible to choose any/all variants? I just want a petrol/diesel baleno above sigma. That might bring down the waiting!

I have been contacted by the new dealership here, and good news is they are promising a greatly reduced waiting period for the initial bookings because they are a new dealership and will get assured allotment.

Last edited by vivekgk : 9th June 2016 at 23:48.
vivekgk is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 07:27   #993
Team-BHP Support
 
noopster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Pune
Posts: 8,189
Thanked: 7,871 Times
Default Re: Is Hill Hold Assist absolutely needed on a Baleno CVT?

I don't understand the question. Conventional automatics have torque creep in D mode that makes need for a hill hold function superfluous. Don't CVTs behave that way?

Last edited by noopster : 10th June 2016 at 08:55. Reason: Typo
noopster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 08:10   #994
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: KL 01
Posts: 4,334
Thanked: 2,046 Times
Default Re: Is Hill Hold Assist absolutely needed on a Baleno CVT?

Doesn't even CVTs have torque converter at the flywheel side? I read that Toyota CVT does.
Sankar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 08:29   #995
Senior - BHPian
 
libranof1987's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: All over!
Posts: 3,185
Thanked: 1,740 Times
Default Re: Is Hill Hold Assist absolutely needed on a Baleno CVT?

I'm not sure how the CVT on Baleno behaves but on the EcoSport, the hill hold assist ensures the car doesn't roll back for only 3 sec; after which it will, unless you accelerate/brake.
libranof1987 is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 08:47   #996
BHPian
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Delhi
Posts: 233
Thanked: 93 Times
Default

I don't think it should be a problem at all. If you are used to driving a manual transmission without hill hold assist you'll be fine without it in a cvt too. It's just a matter of getting used to the pedal work. In this case there's one pedal less to 'worry' about.

A Google search tells me that hill hold assist senses the pitch of the car and keeps the brake engaged for a couple of seconds after releasing the brake pedal. But I can confirm that in the GT tsi there's no pitch sensor because the feature is in play all the time and a bit bothersome in stop and go traffic. If anything you may be actually better off in the Bangalore traffic. For inclines pedal work will suffice.

Last edited by LithiumSunset : 10th June 2016 at 08:56.
LithiumSunset is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 08:47   #997
Distinguished - BHPian
 
dhanushs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bathery/BLR
Posts: 3,312
Thanked: 3,643 Times
Default Re: Is Hill Hold Assist absolutely needed on a Baleno CVT?

Hi, I think you can safely go for Baleno CVT without worrying about the car rolling back on inclines. Just use the brakes till the car starts moving forward.
dhanushs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 13:38   #998
BHPian
 
Sudhindra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 115
Thanked: 25 Times
Default Re: Maruti Baleno : Official Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sudhindra View Post
Booked Baleno Petrol Delta Ray blue on 21st May at Bimal Nexa. My RM has given a waiting period of 24 - 28 weeks. Has not given this in writing or not mentioned in booking receipt. Is this fine to trust his words or should i get it in writing?
Just called up my RM to get any update. He said "Maruti plant is shutdown for maintenance till June 20th, no updates as of now" and asked me to call him sometime next month first week.
I am seriously rethinking about canceling this booking and look at other options. very much in confused state as Wifey is behind punto evo (having already owned GP MJD), myself impressed with new Ford Figo TDCI and the need for some car in a month or so.
Sudhindra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 19:11   #999
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 33
Thanked: Once
Default Re: Is Hill Hold Assist absolutely needed on a Baleno CVT?

Thanks to everyone for your comments/response.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LithiumSunset View Post
If you are used to driving a manual transmission without hill hold assist you'll be fine without it in a cvt too.
My current car (Palio 1.6) has a great low end torque. As such, I didn't really face the need to switch between A/B pedals. Just clutch + brake did the trick almost always.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dhanushs View Post
Hi, I think you can safely go for Baleno CVT without worrying about the car rolling back on inclines. Just use the brakes till the car starts moving forward.
Hopefully. The only issue is if you are parked / stopped on an incline. In a manual, you get a feel for the spot which keeps the vehicle balanced with just the clutch + brake. At that point, you can just ease off brake to get the vehicle to move. Not sure how I get the same feeling in AT.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NPV View Post
Suggest you test drive the car on hilly roads in Bangalore like Padmanabha nagar, Banashankari, Raja Rajeshwari nagar, etc to get a first hand idea.
Nexa allows only for short TD these days. Yes, the sensible thing to do - even a basement ramp should suffice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by csnanjappa View Post
If Baleno CVT works similar to i10 CVT Automatic (2010 model) i don't think you have to worry.
I think i10 has the conventional TC and not a CVT.
nandab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th June 2016, 20:15   #1000
NPV
Distinguished - BHPian
 
NPV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Namma Bengaluru
Posts: 4,056
Thanked: 3,344 Times
Default Re: Is Hill Hold Assist absolutely needed on a Baleno CVT?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nandab View Post
Nexa allows only for short TD these days.
Try telling them assertively that you need a test drive on inclined roads before making your decision, they should oblige. Are there any Nexa dealerships in one of those areas in Bangalore that I mentioned ?
NPV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2016, 12:17   #1001
BHPian
 
VeyronSuperSprt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Chennai
Posts: 800
Thanked: 1,549 Times
Default Re: Maruti Baleno : Official Review

My neighbour bought a Baleno CVT and asked me for my opinion after he bought it !! Needless to say I drove it and told him its a good car etc.

But here's my actual opinion: the rubber band effect in the CVT of the Baleno is H U G E. It's not just the rubber band effect - in comparison to the regular petrol Baleno this feels like it's got the handbrake partially pulled all the time. It's that sluggish.

Forget about the problem of hill hold - with the sluggishness on tap, it would take some time for it to decide whether it has to roll down or go up a hill. So it's got a built in hill hold in its sluggishness.

The regular petrol on the other hand has quite a good feel with a nice exhaust note when you're revving the car.

Absolutely no comparison, it's two different worlds. Bottom line - hill hold is probably the least of your worries with a CVT.
VeyronSuperSprt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2016, 13:45   #1002
BHPian
 
sathish81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chennai
Posts: 106
Thanked: 43 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nandab View Post
Has anyone faced a rollback issue with Baleno CVT on steep inclines in Bangalore roads? Especially since Hill Hold Assist / Hill Brake Assist is not present in Baleno. Polo / Ameo / Figo DCT all have this feature.

I have more or less finalized on Baleno Zeta CVT except for this potential problem.
Hi I own a CVT delta. The baleno does not have hill hold assist, however if you turn on "sports" mode and put gear in "L" it should prevent the car from rolling back the moment you release the brakes. I used this technique in couple of places in yercaud where traffic had stopped on relatively steep inclines.
sathish81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2016, 14:16   #1003
BHPian
 
djpeesh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 537
Thanked: 635 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sathish81 View Post
Hi I own a CVT delta. The baleno does not have hill hold assist, however if you turn on "sports" mode and put gear in "L" it should prevent the car from rolling back the moment you release the brakes. I used this technique in couple of places in yercaud where traffic had stopped on relatively steep inclines.
There's no need for that. The moment you lift your foot from the brake, the car starts creeping forward. I've never had an issue of rolling back. Btw, our Baleno has done 5k km (all thanks to me). My xuv is feeling very unloved.
djpeesh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2016, 16:31   #1004
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: KA
Posts: 336
Thanked: 217 Times
Default

Finally, goodbye to Baleno. Cancelled my booking today at Kalyani Nexa, Blore.

The RM was most eager to get the cancellation process get completed. Made me confused as to whether these guys earning commission on cancellations too . Alls well that ends well.
Shiv_1984 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th June 2016, 16:53   #1005
BHPian
 
sathish81's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Chennai
Posts: 106
Thanked: 43 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by djpeesh View Post
There's no need for that. The moment you lift your foot from the brake, the car starts creeping forward. I've never had an issue of rolling back. Btw, our Baleno has done 5k km (all thanks to me). My xuv is feeling very unloved.
Djpeesh

In hilly regions it does rollback in "drive" mode in stop and go traffic on inclines - the creep function in drive mode does not solve that problem. The creep function in L gear with sports mode on gives the car enough power to move forward on inclines.
I know this from practical experience
sathish81 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Maruti Ertiga : Official Review Vid6639 Official New Car Reviews 2930 4th December 2016 18:05
Maruti Celerio : Official Review Rehaan Official New Car Reviews 396 1st December 2016 23:39
Maruti Alto 800 : Official Review .anshuman Official New Car Reviews 186 30th September 2016 14:21


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 23:54.

Copyright 2000 - 2016, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks