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Old 21st June 2009, 22:50   #196
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The vista offers more legroom compromising on bootspace whereas it's the other way around on the punto.
It's just about strategy. Punto's legroom is reasonable.
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Today I went to a FIAT showroom in Cochin. I compared the Vista and Punto backseats. Vista has definitely more legroom. The thigh support is also about 15 cm more in the Vista in the backseat. The difference I think is because Vista has less boot space. In Punto the boot space has been increased which has resulted in less space at the back seat. I had gone after 5 O'clock so I could not get a test drive.
Are you sure it was 15 cms... I can bet for the life of me that it cant be 15 cms under any circumstance!

By the way this would of interest to the future 1.3 JTD Punto customers.

Diesel Tuning Box for Fiat Grande Punto 1.3 Multijet 75 PS-BHP / 190 Nm / 16V / DPF by CHIP Express™

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The vista offers more legroom compromising on bootspace whereas it's the other way around on the punto.
It's just about strategy. Punto's legroom is reasonable.
I agree with you. Punto's legroom at the rear is absolutely sufficient with the front seat in a decent position. The rear legroom only feels crammed when the front seat is pushed back at its maximum, which would rarely be the case. Even a 6'3" guy may not require to push it to its maximum back position.
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one question, is it mandatory that the car complete certain kilometers before the any kind of tuning box are fixed. I have already booked the top end diesel punto (electric blue color) so wanted to know when would it be the best time to fit any tuning box on the car.
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Thank you. It's reading all your comments that make the last 72 hours spent on this review worth it. Little sleep, too many Marlboro's, 90+ voice notes, 15 pages of hand written comments and about 400 photographs to screen through.
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i am in a quandry whether to buy a punto 1.3 and get a pete's box or wait for linea 1.6 mjd which according to salesguy will come in december this year but then the pricing is also an issue with 1.6 linea
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Thank you GTO for the fantastic and most comprehensive review.
To let the proverbial cat among pigeons...I have been in love with the Palio for a while now. With the Grande Punto, it seems Fiat has got the right mix for a bestseller(finally!). A question continues to niggle however.....see the Palio, dated as it may be would rate over most other competition for build quality and comfort. Why not reduce the Palio MJD to a limited period offer of say 3.99 lacs? I thiink I would bite....what about others on the board?
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GTO:
Amazing review.
From what I understand, the Punto is a fantastic car except for:
- Plastics - which from what I have read is constantly improving
- rear seat space: still have to find an european car with good legspace
- cramped footwell - something I experienced in the Palio as well
- Poor engines: Once again, I would love a 1.6MJD option. Would have been a nice upgrade from the Palio.

So, now I am confused.
Looks like Fiat is targetting executives, who want a hatch that looks good, is fun to drive?
This is definitely not for families, but a car that is meant to be self driven.
Not for enthusiasts (atleast until they get a more powerful engine)
so for young executives looking for a good all rounder?
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i am in a quandry whether to buy a punto 1.3 and get a pete's box or wait for linea 1.6 mjd which according to salesguy will come in december this year but then the pricing is also an issue with 1.6 linea
Avoid waiting for Linea 1.6. It could take too long. Also will be definitely priced higher than the current versions. At present, Punto + Pete makes a great combo. i20 Crdi could be an option, if anyone can confirm about tentative launch dates.
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@ashwin and other discussion on Performance vs FE

If total prospective car buyers are 100,000 (say)
=> Hatch segment ~50,000
FiAT enthusiast ~5,000 (Max) for Hatch
Now the big question is
CAN any company servive on these numbers ? No and NOOO.
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Instead of 1.6, a 1.9 MJD with auto tranny is on cards. This I got from one of the dealers.
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Instead of 1.6, a 1.9 MJD with auto tranny is on cards. This I got from one of the dealers.

1.9 instead of 1.6 will be a fuel Guzzler in my opinion. I am not sure what FIAT will be achieving by this engine combined with auto tranny(Even lesser FE).

@ neonwheels, where you able to extract any specific reason (from the dealer) for Fiat to go for this engine?
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So, apart from GTO mentioning, i found the positioning of the dead pedal to be very inconvenient. Every time i had to depress the clutch i kept hitting the dead pedal and i had to concentrate to keep manoeuvering my foot for proper clutching. I found that to be a real irritant, so was it just me, or did anybody else feel the same?.
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So, apart from GTO mentioning, i found the positioning of the dead pedal to be very inconvenient. Every time i had to depress the clutch i kept hitting the dead pedal and i had to concentrate to keep manoeuvering my foot for proper clutching. I found that to be a real irritant, so was it just me, or did anybody else feel the same?.
This has become a FIAT trait. People driving other cars or FIAT cars without dead pedal takes some time to get accustomed to the setup. There has been many discussions on this already. I believe this should not be a deal breaker if one wants to select a Punto. People who feel really uncomfortable with the dead pedal can remove this. Only a couple of screws hold them in place.

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Old 22nd June 2009, 09:26   #210
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The 1.3 petrol seems to be a performer than the diesel. So I'd pick up that one in white!
You mean 1.4 petrol. Yup, it's definitely great to drive.

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GTO, did you get a chance to drive the 1.2 petrol also?
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We didn't get a chance to test the 1.2. With a power to weight ratio of 59 BHP / Ton, I don't think I missed too much. It's only available in one variant (base) and forms the entry level price. I wouldn't go anywhere near the 1.2. ARAI certification for this engine = 14.3 kpl.
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Ford Fusion also has 195/60R15 as stock tyres.
Umm, is the Fusion a hatch? An SUV? A cross-over? Just kidding. But the Fusion suffered from terribly confused positioning.

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What stands apart from a review of auto-mag is the value add comments that we get in the forum. And prompt reply from GTO to all queries makes it clincher.
Absolutely! What's most interesting is to see thousands of different perspectives on the same car. Comments are to die for.

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Could you please elaborate a bit on the interiors and what particular parts make them shoddy.
Some are shoddy, some are average, some are good.

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And is the lack of space something one can live with?
There isn't a lack of space like in the Swift. However, by big hatch standards, space is certainly not what you'd expect. Yes, it is liveable.

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Covered almost everything in a car but Horn something we use very usually when you drive in India
Do you think? From the 5th post of my review:

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• Nice horn!
Superb sounding. Very Euro + premium.

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Does this an exceptional case for the punto or is it more common in other cars as well?
Haven't felt the steering rack movement in too many other cars.
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