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Old 30th May 2015, 18:28   #6556
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I had a similar problem coming from the right rear door during monsoons. Under the door, I lifted the rubber covering and water flowed out of the door and the noise was gone. I am, however, not sure what your problem could be specially since you say it disappeared on it's own. Is your carpet getting wet? Maybe there was some leakage from the Air con?
Amit,

I earlier had this problem of AC water sagging the carpet of both right and left front door. Haven't had this issue for the 2 years. I believe I get this sound only when I drive long and this comes only after driving nearly 100 KM. Need to take the car for another long drive and then have to check
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Hi Guys, My Punto is in need of new shockers. Does anybody know a trusted mechanic in Delhi or Noida where i can the shocker work done?
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My GP MJD has run approx 68K Kms. Did a periodic service yesterday as my usage in city has increased from past 2 months.
Had issues:
1) Moderate engine noise, mileage had reduced to approx 16kmpl for A to B run. Replaced engine oil with Mobile Delvac 1(previously running on Selenia). Post this, engine grunt noise reduced, smooth revving and got 17.5kmpl for todays run.

2) Tak Tak sound from left when riding over broken roads. Suspected Link rod, replaced with a spare one. Now no sounds and runs smooth.

3) Glow plugs warning - Found one plug gone kaput, replaced it with Swifts(INR 650). Now warning gone.

4) Car had vertical jump at front while on speeds and unilateral pulling at back while taking fast corners.- Went to Madhu`s in Bangalore, and did WA/WB via road force equipment. Tyres were found ok, but had some improper calibrations and weights. Fixed those and as per recommendations, re-aligned wheel positions accordingly. Now ride is much improved and also fixed slight left pulling of about 25N that had existed(previously had 55N, had replaced lower camber bolt to smaller size in right struts).

5) Interiors had gone dirty: Had some 3M foam cleaner left over, cleaned seats, door pads and roof.
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My punto has done 110000 km in last five eventful years .Today i came across a strange issue with the car.
When i tried cranking up the car nothing happened in first two attempts albeit a khat khat sound was produced during each effort at cranking.Please tell me what could be the probable causes for the same
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a khat khat sound was produced during each effort at cranking.
If there is a sound with the engine itself not turning, you might want to check if:

1) The starter solenoid has gone kaput (least expensive)
2) The bendix/starter motor itself is suspect (most expensive)
3) The battery : replace (moderately expensive)

I hope it is a minor issue.

Were there any lights on the MID?

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Hello Fiat gurus,

It's shopping time for me. Have eyed Punto 1.4 Fire Petrol for myself.
I absolutely am smitten by the car and I've only heard good things about its build quality and highway mannerisms.
Though I have gone through different reviews across the web, I have a few pointers:
1. The top variant with ABS + 2 airbags costs ~9L OTR Bangalore. Can I press for discounts by any means?
2. I see that only 1.3MJD 90hp gets 16 inch wheels. Wonder why they left the 90hp petrol out of this!
3. The car would primarily be used on the highway a couple of times in a month apart from short errands here and there. Definitely <1200-1400 km a month.
4. I hope FIAT ASC gives at least a fair experience to me (weakest link in my decision).
5. I believe OE tires are decent enough, at least they are on the 1.3 MJD.
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There will definitely be a lot of discounts as the Punto is not setting the sales charts ablaze.
You need to be a little cautious on the petrol. It feels very under powered and can cause to be a great irritant in the long term ownership experience.

I would ask you to pick the 90 HP MJD if budget permits or atleast the 75 HP MJD. There are a lot of tuning options for the diesel variants. I am currently running the Racedynamics remap on my car and it is awesome.

Go with the Emotion variant as the Airbags and ABS are an absolute must considering you will be on the highway most of the time.

FASS is still a lottery. They are not consistent with the experience, but are a lot improved over the earlier TATA experience. You will have premature clutch and break pad wear and tear issues, if primarily used in the city.

The stock tyres I got with my Emotion 1.3 MJD 75 HP are the Appolo Accelers(195/60/15) and they lasted for 60K Kms. They are fantastic tyres. The lower variants come with 165 section tyres and you will have to change. Which will add to your cost.

Rest assured it's an awesome car and you will enjoy the build quality. It's a shame that Fiat can't tune their own engine as good as Maruthi does and it requires a taller 5th gear along with a 6th.

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There will definitely be a lot of discounts as the Punto is not setting the sales charts ablaze.
You need to be a little cautious on the petrol. It feels very under powered and can cause to be a great irritant in the long term ownership experience.

I would ask you to pick the 90 HP MJD if budget permits or atleast the 75 HP MJD. There are a lot of tuning options for the diesel variants. I am currently running the Racedynamics remap on my car and it is awesome.

Go with the Emotion variant as the Airbags and ABS are an absolute must considering you will be on the highway most of the time.

FASS is still a lottery. They are not consistent with the experience, but are a lot improved over the earlier TATA experience. You will have premature clutch and break pad wear and tear issues, if primarily used in the city.

The stock tyres I got with my Emotion 1.3 MJD 75 HP are the Appolo Accelers(195/60/15) and they lasted for 60K Kms. They are fantastic tyres. The lower variants come with 165 section tyres and you will have to change. Which will add to your cost.

Rest assured it's an awesome car and you will enjoy the build quality. It's a shame that Fiat can't tune their own engine as good as Maruthi does and it requires a taller 5th gear along with a 6th.
Thanks for the response Arjun saab!

I guess I should rush to the FIAT showroom today. I always thought that the top trim of both petrol and diesel variants had black interiors. But I saw beige+black combo in one of the reviews for 1.4 petrol. Also, is ambient lighting available only in 1.3 MJD?

BTW, cost of upkeep is also important to me. How high are maintenance costs of the diesel vis a vis petrol?

Whatever I choose, it will be top trim only.
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Guys, my RH headlight reflector link with rest of the casing has been broken and lying lower than the normal position due to which even on low beam the throw of light has difference between LH and RH. Although its not causing me any problems in driving during night, but still i would like to fix it as long as its not costing me entire new headlight assembly. Has anybody tried opening the headlight casing so that i can align it manually and fix it using araldite or fevi quick.
Gap can be observed in these picturesFiat Grande Punto : Test Drive & Review-img_20150605_084721.jpgFiat Grande Punto : Test Drive & Review-img_20150605_084729.jpg

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Has anybody tried opening the headlight casing so that i can align it manually and fix it using araldite or fevi quick.
Most headlights are sealed using butyl glue. You will need a heat gun (hair dryer may work; haven't used it so can't comment) and have to direct the hot air at the edges around the periphery and you can take them apart.

You can seal them back using the same stock glue. There's no need to apply any more butyl glue. Use the heat gun to warm up the mating edges and press them back. Use some crocodile clips to keep the edges held to each other or tie the entire headlight cluster using a rope in a zig-zag way. And let the glue cure for a couple of hours.

Avoid araldite or any cyanoacyrlate glue.
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Most headlights are sealed using butyl glue. You will need a heat gun (hair dryer may work; haven't used it so can't comment) and have to direct the hot air at the edges around the periphery and you can take them apart.

You can seal them back using the same stock glue. There's no need to apply any more butyl glue. Use the heat gun to warm up the mating edges and press them back. Use some crocodile clips to keep the edges held to each other or tie the entire headlight cluster using a rope in a zig-zag way. And let the glue cure for a couple of hours.

Avoid araldite or any cyanoacyrlate glue.
Thanks Gannu. I will update once i try my hands on this.
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.... Appolo Accelers(195/60/15) and they lasted for 60K Kms. ....
.... It's a shame that Fiat can't tune their own engine as good as Maruthi does and it requires a taller 5th gear along with a 6th.
That's a damn good mileage you've got out of the Acceleres! I'm very surprised, actually. Most of my friends who've used that tyre say that it's life is 30-35k kms tops! You've got almost double!

And, regarding the Swift vs Punto argument, I don't think the difference is just the state of tune. The Punto outweighs the swift by a considerable margin.

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.... You will need a heat gun (hair dryer may work; haven't used it so can't comment) and have to direct the hot air at the edges around the periphery and you can take them apart.
If its your first time- Don't! Just don't!
The Punto headlamp is not easy to open.
I have opened a fair few bike headlamps. So, I thought it would be a breeze and armed with a hair dryer and a heat gun I attacked the headlamp; failed miserably. I took it to a local Angel ring, projector headlamp wala; that fellow went one step further and broke the headlamp.

Ultimately, based on Hemanth.Anand's suggestion, I took it to Bangalore. The specialist there concurred- it's not easy to open the seal of the headlamp. The glue is of a very superior quality, according to him. But, he did manage to open it and paint the innards black.
The resealing is a very important process as well. Even if a little moisture gets inside, it 'clouds' and finally makes the platics go dull over a period of time.

Bottom line? Buy a new one. Costs only Rs.2k, iirc.

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The specialist there concurred- it's not easy to open the seal of the headlamp. The glue is of a very superior quality, according to him.
Are they using permaseal then?

A member from the HIDplanet forums has posted this w.r.t the Punto Evo headlamps:

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They don't have permaseal, but opening is not very easy. Quality is not really good. Adjusting points are really weak, and I destroyed a few. It was a hell of a job to fit the FX-R's correctly. Everything was going wrong and I spend a lot of money on this project.
EDIT: Permaseal it is as per the headlight sealant database here. Unless FIat India is applying a different sealant.

The headlamps are retailing for Rs. 2184 at 99rpm.com. Might be a better idea to just swap them since they are this cheap.

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Why not go to the FASS, you have Oberoi in sector 63 and Kashyap in Greater Noida. Fiat spares are not that expensive and the OE shockers are of very good quality.

However if you want to go elsewhere, then go to Anupam Shukla's workshop in Noida sector 63 itself, the plot no is 205 or 215 but I am not to sure on that.
Anyhow, Anupam is a Fiat aficionado and knows FIPL products inside out. IIRC he is here on the forum too.

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Hi Guys, My Punto is in need of new shockers. Does anybody know a trusted mechanic in Delhi or Noida where i can the shocker work done?

Almost all adhesives being used these days on components that might need to be opened up are the 'Hot Melt' types. Heat to open and close and set when cold. I doubt if this is true for headlights.
You are correct in suggesting replacement and not only 'cause of the low cost but also of subsequent issues with moisture seeping in and fogging up the assembly.


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Are they using permaseal then?

EDIT: Permaseal it is as per the headlight sealant database here. Unless FIat India is applying a different sealant.

The headlamps are retailing for Rs. 2184 at 99rpm.com. Might be a better idea to just swap them since they are this cheap.
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Why not go to the FASS, you have Oberoi in sector 63 and Kashyap in Greater Noida. Fiat spares are not that expensive and the OE shockers are of very good quality.

However if you want to go elsewhere, then go to Anupam Shukla's workshop in Noida sector 63 itself, the plot no is 205 or 215 but I am not to sure on that.
Anyhow, Anupam is a Fiat aficionado and knows FIPL products inside out. IIRC he is here on the forum too.

Thanks khoj. FIAT guys i don't trust anymore. I know Anupam personally and will be my obvious choice now. I will be getting them replaced this week.

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The headlamps are retailing for Rs. 2184 at 99rpm.com. Might be a better idea to just swap them since they are this cheap.
Thanks Gannu i forgot to check the price online first. At this price i agree it makes more sense in replacing. But still i will try experimenting it once before replacing.

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If its your first time- Don't! Just don't!
The Punto headlamp is not easy to open.
I have opened a fair few bike headlamps. So, I thought it would be a breeze and armed with a hair dryer and a heat gun I attacked the headlamp; failed miserably. I took it to a local Angel ring, projector headlamp wala; that fellow went one step further and broke the headlamp.

Buy a new one. Costs only Rs.2k, iirc.
Thanks schakravarthy.
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