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Old 6th August 2009, 00:16   #886
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Thomas,
It's very interesting.I too have the same doubt.
I sent a mail to Petes.in and as per their mail,the tuning box is specially tuned for Linea.
But i donno how much testing has done so far in Linea.

can we send mail to FIAT itself for improving power using some tunning box?
nice idea
dude dont even mention about a tuning box in any sort of communication with service guys! or company or whatever. one small hiccup and they will blame it on the box! ( its true to an extent i cant give explanations for everything!! too much to say! )

tata vehicles are notorious. using a tuning box on one is as good as saying. hey my car is screwed!!

concerning the linea tuning box. the standard test cycle consists atleast 50k miles testing 80k kms to be exact. the fool proof testing procedure takes 100k miles testing. to know indeed that nothing is wrong. thats in kms 160k kms.
no company in india does such testing.

yes the european linea will be tested in similar pattern . there if something goes wrong, the tuning box company if found out that the problem is due to box, they will be sued big time. so no one company will go ahead with improper testing. the skodas and VW tdi family engines are the most preferred cars for chip tuning in the europe.
then the CR engines doing duty in the european cars.

if fiat had released the linea with same european tuning, then i wouldnt have any doubts on the boxes. but frankly speaking if the parent company is itself not sure of releasing the original tuning?? and they detuned it, will the addition of a box tuned for the original tuning be a safe choice??

do the math for yourselfs and besides i dont think there can be any marvelous increase in power using the boxes for the 1.3mjd using VGT its kind of maxed out already. ( may be thats why fiat india played it safe knowing well that indian conditions will be very harsh on the injection system or the whole engine as such!)
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Linea tuningbox is listed on Pete's Automotive Products Pvt Limited and increased power and torgue are shown as 102bhp & 220Nm respectively.
Eventually GP will be listed too IMO.

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@harry10

as per vinz post . the box was for swift hence the statement.

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dont ever do the foolishness of installing a box without running in.
atleast first oil change. there will be metal chunks in the initial oil putting the rail and engine under heavy load will never be a good idea!!

happy motoring.
Informative and interesting.
I still feel its too early to comment. Lot of punters are speculating the installation after the run-in. We can as well hear from the horse's mouth.

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Related thread (Petes box - Disadvantages?). Tons of information in there.
Thanks!
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the advantage of psi tuning boxes is that there claims are more or less true since its dyno checked. and also emission norms meeting ones. but a swift box designed for E3 will never match E4 of punto!.
Thomas.
Thats a very interesting point. Never thought about it.
I guess you took the below post seriously
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The statement is vague. Clarification and facts please!
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Both the site says that it will increase the power + FE (sounds surprising)
FE won't change(increase/decrease) with tuning box unless you change your driving style.
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Thomas,
It's very interesting.I too have the same doubt.
I sent a mail to Petes.in and as per their mail,the tuning box is specially tuned for Linea.
But i donno how much testing has done so far in Linea.

can we send mail to FIAT itself for improving power using some tunning box?
Kathik,
Thats a suicidal idea. Don't even think of mailing FIAT regarding tuning boxes.
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Definitely i won't send mail to them(FIL).

Thomas,
Do you have any information reg.Linea's Petes box.
Did they do extensive testing using the tunning box in Indian Linea 86Bhp detuned version?
Please share those information.
I am very keen in installing Petes in my car.
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Why are we discussing a Swift Pete's box in Punto?
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Why are we discussing a Swift Pete's box in Punto?
Here is the response i got from PETE's

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Dear Mr. Madhavan,

Thank you for your interest in Pete's

The Punto uses the same box that is used on the Swift, Vista, Scorpio,
Captiva, etc etc. This box is made for all these cars and not for the Swift
alone. You'll need to study its working principle to understand how it works
on all these cars. The point is they all use the same type of fueling system
and hence the box works flawlessly on all these cars. Moreover these have
been tested in Europe before release here so there in nothing you have to be
worried about. You have the Pete's Warranty to top it.

Have you driven a Punto with the Pete's Box???? Do that first and you'll
understand what we are talking about. The Punto being heavier than the Swift
is slightly slower. For a test drive on your car please contact Mr. Anil at
9845106938 ( HOT TRACKS)

Please do not hesitate to contact me in case you need any further
information,

Rgds,

Reshmi
Pete's Support
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simply because the swift box is being sold as the punto tuning box also as per fellow member posts. look some pages back.

i think mr Vinz posted about the swift box!

@ aks_karthik buddy i am in no way associated with petes or psi guys.

i really dont know if extensive testing has been done on the indian linea. Fiat should have kept it at 86ps for a reason

first find that out.
and if possible get the power vs torque graph for the indian linea or punto for that matter. then look at the plot and decided where all you need the torque. low,mid , high end.
and accordingly, get a custom tuning done. say from RD??

thing is dont blindly go after power ratings. if you want to go around city in higher gears , get a tuning specific to low end to mid end. if you want to have better high end then accordingly.

lets do a simple math for 90ps , the box supposedly gives 102ps. meaning 13.33 percent gain. if the same principle is used just for calculation( this will never be the case. the injection pattern WILL be Different in the indin linea no doubt! ) even then you will get a roughly 11.5 ps.

now at rs 20k more ( i preseume the box cost is that much ) you get a linea which is roughly 98ps?

the power gain is not much to write home about. still if it makes city drive easier then its your choice. i can vouch for a reason that unless the petes guys have access to box flashing, they will have never re tuned the box for indian linea

smoking will be there no doubt. unless the filter is upgraded and kept clean at all times.!
oil will be used up pretty quick. dont stick to 15k service routine if you have the box.

any idea on the injectors used? make that is. then sensors etc. unless these are same as the european linea there will be issues there also.

if a rare sensor goes bust, EGR valve can also take a hit. thing is Psi guys would have done extensive testing in the lineas to which they have access. indian linea would be different ball game all together.

at the end of the day its a calculated risk. lol.

is the gearing of the punto too short. then top speed will be very much affected. does it even have 160kmph top speed diesel one?? just asking dont jump over me for this simple question!
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Interesting discussion. I would say Thomas has some valid points here. It is very important that we get details from Petes about how much they have tested the Indian Linea with the tuning box and what the results are.

Coming to Thomas' question about the top speed of GP 1.3 MJD FGT, it is about 153 km if I remember it correctly. 1st gear ratio of GP is 4.273. 2nd gear ratio is 2.158. Source is ACI June 2009. And yes, they are short.
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Here is the response i got from PETE's

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Dear Mr. Madhavan,

Thank you for your interest in Pete's

The Punto uses the same box that is used on the Swift, Vista, Scorpio,
Captiva, etc etc. This box is made for all these cars and not for the Swift
alone. You'll need to study its working principle to understand how it works
on all these cars. The point is they all use the same type of fueling system
and hence the box works flawlessly on all these cars. Moreover these have
been tested in Europe before release here so there in nothing you have to be
worried about. You have the Pete's Warranty to top it.

Have you driven a Punto with the Pete's Box???? Do that first and you'll
understand what we are talking about. The Punto being heavier than the Swift
is slightly slower. For a test drive on your car please contact Mr. Anil at
9845106938 ( HOT TRACKS)

Please do not hesitate to contact me in case you need any further
information,

Rgds,

Reshmi
Pete's Support
------------------------------------
i really cant stop laughing after reading this reply

the one statement that cars are tested in europe is acceptable. so for indian cars european testing. ( this would be ok for engines which are imported not the ones made in india or with different tuning.)

petes warranty?? another good joke. they will cover fot the car?? i dont think so!!!!

at all guys looking for the box now i hope the picture is clear to all of you!!.
even scorpio and captiva two totally different engines with different capacity use the same box. i guess they havent tested at all.

kallakii hehe

a simple doubt do all the above mentioned vehicles have the same rail connection???
what a lame reply.
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Finally I saw a Punto on Bangalore roads, and that too 2 in a single day.

Spotted one Black Punto on whitefield road near Big Bazaar towards ITPL. It was waiting for the green light on the signal and I stopped just besides it to drool over (even after bikers behind me kept honking ).

Spotted another Red Active Punto (with black front grill) on old madras road opposite to Big Bazaar.

Owners present here on Team-BHP?
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i really cant stop laughing after reading this reply

the one statement that cars are tested in europe is acceptable. so for indian cars european testing. ( this would be ok for engines which are imported not the ones made in india or with different tuning.)

petes warranty?? another good joke. they will cover fot the car?? i dont think so!!!!

at all guys looking for the box now i hope the picture is clear to all of you!!.
even scorpio and captiva two totally different engines with different capacity use the same box. i guess they havent tested at all.

kallakii hehe

a simple doubt do all the above mentioned vehicles have the same rail connection???
what a lame reply.
Several of us on TBHP use Pete's box. The general opinion seems to be that a Pete's box is safer than a re-map. The tuning box is made by PCI of Germany. You can read their web-site too.

There is nothing factually incorrect in the reply. There are several threads and posts on TBHP as well as other fora on the net giving reviews of the tuning boxes. A tuning box is not a 'remap', it merely modifies the flow of fuel, so it can be generic for one type of engine and it need not be specific for any engine capacity. My car is not a CRDi and therefore uses a box that is different.

It would also help to remember that in these days of globalisation, most engines in use in India are also used on other continents. Some have minor modifications - read - detuned (to accomodate poorer quality fuel). This de-tune normally comprises of either reducing the compression ratio or lower settings in the ECU, or both.

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Here is the response i got from PETE's

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Dear Mr. Madhavan,

Thank you for your interest in Pete's

The Punto uses the same box that is used on the Swift, Vista, Scorpio,
Captiva, etc etc. This box is made for all these cars and not for the Swift
alone. You'll need to study its working principle to understand how it works
on all these cars. The point is they all use the same type of fueling system
and hence the box works flawlessly on all these cars. Moreover these have
been tested in Europe before release here so there in nothing you have to be
worried about. You have the Pete's Warranty to top it.

Have you driven a Punto with the Pete's Box???? Do that first and you'll
understand what we are talking about. The Punto being heavier than the Swift
is slightly slower. For a test drive on your car please contact Mr. Anil at
9845106938 ( HOT TRACKS)

Please do not hesitate to contact me in case you need any further
information,

Rgds,

Reshmi
Pete's Support
------------------------------------
After reading this, I can't help wondering whether all the gyaan that we read a few posts earlier were all naught.

Or, is it Pete who is lying here?

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The box is engine specific not car specific. This box looks to be MJD engine specific, and all cars which have this engine will benefit from a petes box.
Petes box will increase power, and there is ample evidence of that, but manufacturer has every right to void warranty if you put any power boxes, petes or otherwise
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After reading this, I can't help wondering whether all the gyaan that we read a few posts earlier were all naught.

Or, is it Pete who is lying here?


BTW, can we come to the Topic on GP TD from Petes box which can be discussed on another Petes thread or in a new thread?
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