Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Team-BHP Reviews > Official New Car Reviews


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 30th October 2009, 19:27   #91
GTO
Team-BHP Support
 
GTO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Bombay
Posts: 47,763
Thanked: 89,540 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rpmx1000 View Post
Just curious. Forgive my ignorance. What is a dead pedal ? Is it that there's a fourth pedal with no action attached to it ?!
Attaching a sample pic (X-Trail dead pedal). The left "dead" pedal is a boon on long drives. Can rest your left foot on it.

Name:  P1000663.JPG
Views: 4444
Size:  45.5 KB

Quote:
Originally Posted by DigitalDragon View Post
Petrol with IntelLigent Port Resizing.
What exactly is "intelligent port resizing"? What is the real world benefit, if at all?

Quote:
Originally Posted by adits View Post
Considering the better claimed FE (21 kmpl for the Manza as opposed to 16 kmpl for the Indigo CS),
Also consider that these are all ARAI "ideal test conditions" figures. Real world will be different.
GTO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:02   #92
BHPian
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Newest capital
Posts: 382
Thanked: 828 Times
Default

Hi, GTO what a review.It's crisp and to the point and the details of the car mentioned are which we find only after buying it and living with it for atleast 2 weeks! But i have couple of questions nagging me 1) how good is the AC or in other words how would you compare it to Vista's AC. 2) How is the performance of the headlights? Both of them are very important for me since i drive 70 per cent on highways. Thanks in advance
damodar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:03   #93
BHPian
 
KRf1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NCR / BLR
Posts: 339
Thanked: 3 Times
Default

Another amazing review GTO . Was eagerly waiting for this one .

IMHO the reason Tata hangs on to the names Indica , Indigo , Sumo is that they are inspired by European companies like Volkswagen , Ford Eyrope etc . For eg we see different generations of Golf ,Focus ,Mondeo .They want to express continuity and improvement . Ofcourse they have to add subtitles like Vista , Manza as they want to sell both generations together . Its like calling a Skoda Laura a Skoda Octavia Laura .

I have a small suggestion . Next time you could put up a side by side pictures of the two generations of cars like Indigo/Manza , ANHC/NHC (like you have put of Manza and Vista ) .

Manza seems to be all set to improve brand Tata , but to beat Maruti Suzuki they need to wrestle that JD Power Customer Satisfaction award from them . That said sales should be good but I dont reckon it will better the Dzires sales .
KRf1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:17   #94
BHPian
 
anonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NCR
Posts: 564
Thanked: 15 Times
Default

Wonderul review as always. I do have one question though and please pardon my ignorance but what does the following statement mean? Can someone please care to explain it in detail? Does it mean single car has been driven for 23 lakhs km?
"The Manza has undergone 23 lakh kms of testing; thatís over and above the Vistaís 25 lakh kms of testing."
anonymous is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:17   #95
Senior - BHPian
 
Latheesh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bangalore/Kannur
Posts: 2,985
Thanked: 2,675 Times
Default

KRf1 - I agree with you

Initially I was upset with the name 'Indigo' Manza, but wait for 1 or 2 generations more of Indica/Indigo series cars. I would love to see these two cars competing directly with the global leaders. Let's wait and watch

@anonymous - Since both the cars are made on same platform you can say it has undergone 48L KM road testing (23 Manza + 25 Vista)

Last edited by Latheesh : 30th October 2009 at 20:22.
Latheesh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:19   #96
BHPian
 
Autonorm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chandigarh
Posts: 76
Thanked: 3 Times
Default

Thanks GTO for the lovely review. It's nice to see Tata grow up and offer better products. As you and everyone else here has mentioned the fit and finish could be better and if they do so I am sure it will give substantial competition to not only the other cars in it's segment but also to cars atleast 2 segments higher.
Autonorm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:23   #97
BHPian
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: bangalore
Posts: 144
Thanked: 45 Times
Default

great review GTO!

about Tata planning to/not selling the manza to taxi folks - is that necessarily a good thing? these are guys who have brought indicas/indigos in great numbers and have great faith in the VFM offerings. And the manza only has more of what they want- more mileage, more space and more quality.

sure, Tata wants to go up-market and grab all the dzire customers, but IMHO any reason to be so 'rigid'? the hardcore i-swear-by maruti won't anyway come, all others looking for such a sedan would need only a test-drive to be convinced!
carZest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:29   #98
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Mpower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 10,432
Thanked: 1,682 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DigitalDragon View Post
To my knowledge it does NOT. It's an MPFI engine - 4 cylinder, MPFI, Petrol with IntelLigent Port Resizing.
Could be because the Euro version makes 10 more bhp at 100. But I fail to understand why so...........when they can afford to put it on the cheaper Vista 1.2.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTO View Post
What exactly is "intelligent port resizing"? What is the real world benefit, if at all?.
Its a contraption that masks 1 of 2 intake ports at low rpm. Helps improve response and low rpm drivability. I think the Corolla has it too.
Mpower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 20:35   #99
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: horamavu
Posts: 374
Thanked: 7 Times
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by anonymous View Post
Can someone please care to explain it in detail? Does it mean single car has been driven for 23 lakhs km?
"The Manza has undergone 23 lakh kms of testing; thatís over and above the Vistaís 25 lakh kms of testing."
Right from the Car's prototype, various combinations of chassis, engines, suspensions, ABS, then everything put together is tested in various cars, say 10 to 20 test cars at different test conditions, geographic conditions from hot desert countries to Ice cold Norway and Indian potholes

with 10 cars averaging 2 lac each or 20 cars averaging 1 lac each is put together to 23 lac KMs test.
TeddyBear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 21:34   #100
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Mpower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 10,432
Thanked: 1,682 Times
Default

Pretty sure those are equivalent miles and not actual miles.
For example 10k miles on a MIRA course will be equivalent to 1 lakh road miles based on damage co-releation.

Last edited by Mpower : 30th October 2009 at 22:11.
Mpower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 22:05   #101
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 80
Thanked: 0 Times
Default

Great impressive review

I had test driven diesel varient of Manza yesterday, the ride quality is really great and nothing i can complain about ( to my knowledge). I have noticed the height adjustable lever touches the seat adjustable lever which is placed just behind it, in my test drive car i found ther's already a mark happened due to rubbing of seat adjuster against height adjuster lever ( might be fitting issues), i guess TATA should have maintained sufficient gap between these two ( Has any one noticed this in other test drive cars?).

Also the test drive car at Mysore Road Concorde Bangalore had problem with the air direction adjuster, though i adjusted the knob to different positions the air comes only through the front four air windows and was not being deviated to other positions ( Should be specific to this particular car and this point might be useful during pre-delivery inspection to others)

Over all a great car and might pick one soon.
challa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 22:27   #102
BHPian
 
okvinu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cochin
Posts: 60
Thanked: 2 Times
Default

wonderful review GTO! hopefully huge improvements, have to see the quality and durability. Of course a very good competitor for dzire.
Great work from TATA.
okvinu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 22:35   #103
Senior - BHPian
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Vizag
Posts: 1,985
Thanked: 1,343 Times
Default

Grrreat review GTO!!! More detailed and more realistic than any automags. Fantastic.

Manza will give a tough time not only to Dzire/Linea/Verna/City/Fiesta but also to pricey hatches like i20, Fabia. After all Indians, like Americans and unlike Europeans, prefer sedan over a hatch and if a sedan is loaded more and costs less than the hatch, then most would prefer sedan.

And I don't understand this taxi fixation with Tata cars that some crib about. Tell me which luxury car these days is not used as a taxi. One can see Camry, Corolla, Accord, Skoda even latest model Mercs and BMWs as taxis right here in any big city in Inida. And not to mention countless Innovas and Scorpios as taxis. But no one complains about that or minds that. They only complain about Tata products.
pgsagar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30th October 2009, 23:11   #104
BHPian
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chennai
Posts: 181
Thanked: 40 Times
Smile

Awesome review. I had gone to the TATA showroom today to check out the Fiat Punto for my better half. After getting all the details (Actually the showroom personnel should be updated with team-bhp as they really lack lot of information) on my way out to check out the colours of the car waiting to be delivered i saw TATA MANZA. I like the looks and the price of the car is fantastic. Unfortunately they did not have a test drive vehicle. I was informed that it will come within a week. I have decided to test drive both the vehicle before making my decision. Now after reading your review i think i have taken a wise decision. Will update after i test drive. Cheers.
drrajasaravanan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2009, 00:06   #105
BHPian
 
-NUT-case's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Chennai
Posts: 263
Thanked: 11 Times
Default

Hi guys,
I think TATA having put in this much effort to give us a better product would have also put in some effort to improve their A.S.S.

Started a thread at mod section for tire and wheel upgrades for Manza .

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/tyre-a...de-thread.html

Feel free to comment and suggestions are welcome.

@ GTO , Will slipping the clutch at lower gears to get more RPM and BHP harm the engine or the clutch plate in any way as you have mentioned, is the only way to overcome turbo lag at lower gears.
-NUT-case is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 04:33.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks