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Old 25th October 2010, 11:55   #166
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It has been mentioned in Autocar that the changes made to the AC on the Tjet will be carried out across the FULL RANGE. So guys even buying the multijet or the fire engine need to worry.
@akshay1234: Thanks for the info, any news whether the October production cars would have the new A/C??

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The only deterrent is the low resale value offered for my 1.3 years old Linea Petrol.
bnzjon: IF you dont mind can you pls put up the offered price for a 1.3 year old Linea Petrol. This would give us a great perspective into whatkind of resale value propective linea customers can expect.
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Isn't it better to sell the current Linea at individual level rather than dealing for an exchange at the dealership, in case someone plans to upgrade to T-JET?

Dealers loot on these exchange offers by giving 10-15k exchange bonus but in turn offering to buy the second hand car at much lesser value (as they have to make a profit by selling it further).
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Old 25th October 2010, 16:37   #168
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Test drove the T-Jet on Sunday.

Looks and Interiors
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Interiors seem improved largely due to the extensive use of good leather which extends even to the doorpads
The soft touch plastics touted on the forum are present across certain portions of the dash only.The 16" wheels fill the arches of the Linea much more appropriately

Performance
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Was expecting some sort of magnum performance (no pun intended) after reading the reviews here. But till 120, I did not find it staggeringly better than the Palio 1.6 which first endeared me to the Fiat stable. The engine will sound like music to the enthusiasts ears. The turbo seemed more linear than the Verna or the Dzire D which I own, so dont expect cheap thrills of suddenly being pushed back hard into your seat.

Where it is head and shoulders above the competition however is the braking Man, this car doesnt lose its composure at all in 100-0, no wobbliness under hard braking. Can easily say its the most forgiving car under 10 L to do high speeds in. Steering is superb but this was always a Linea trait.


The big negative , as with the regular Linea - the turning radius remains the absolute pits This will make parking/U-Turns/ 3- point turns a dreadful experience in severely congested cities like Mumbai/B'lore and even parts of Delhi (read CP). Definitely not the best trait for a car which will spend most of its time in city.
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a pre owned lenia remapped and bigger turbo can be a really nice ride for really small amount of money. This should be as good as the RS. It should be better option than buying a pre owned cedia and turboing it.
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Old 25th October 2010, 19:56   #170
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key figures from official ACI test:

performance
  • 0-60 kmph: 4.47 sec
  • 0-100: 11.05 sec
  • 1/4 mile: 17.44 sec
  • 20-80 in 3rd gear: 11.94 sec
  • 40-100 in 4th gear: 15.52 sec
fuel economy
  • city: 10.3 kmpl
  • highway: 15.4 kmpl
  • combined: 12.8 kmpl
  • tank size: 45 litres
  • range: 580 kms
max speeds in gear
  • 1st: 50 kmph@6300 rpm
  • 2nd: 89 kmph@6400 rpm
  • 3rd: 137 kmph@6400 rpm
  • 4th: 182 kmph@6000 rpm
  • 5th: 191 kmph@4700 rpm
  • rpm in 5th@100 kmph=2400 rpm
the engine is IDI unit.
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Old 25th October 2010, 20:54   #171
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These are not great figures . 4th gear acceleration is absolutely uninspiring and pathetic for a turbo charged petrol vehicle . Even naturally aspirated petrol engines do deliver such figures no need to mention turbo diesels .

Mileage seems to be very good from a stable which usually quotes low mpg for fiat vehicles . In real road situations it may be much better .
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@sidindica - those figures look great. Just to put them in perspective, I've put together performance figures from ACI for the Vento (Petrol MT), Honda City and Linea T Jet. Also added a column with Vento (Diesel) figures - there's been some debate on this thread on whether petrol cars should be compared with diesel ones, nevertheless I've added the figures for those who are interested.

Also, thought I'd compare the new breed of sedans with my 4 y.o Baleno as well, not sure if anyone else is interested.

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Leaving aside the 0-100 kmph figures, where the T Jet loses out to the City because it needs an additional gear shift, the T jet seems to be the best performer amongst all three petrol sedans.
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@swathyd - You must take into account the fact that the T Jet has a 1.4L engine. Yes, naturally aspirated petrol engines do deliver such figures - but those are 1.6L NA engines.

The only other 1.4L engine (available with a Manual Transmission. The i20 1.4 is only available with an AT afaik) in the market (apart from the Linea 1.4 FIRE), which I am aware of, is the Aveo 1.4 which is significantly slower than the T Jet doing a 0-100 kmph run in 13.42 seconds and a 40-100 kmph (in 4th gear) in 18.60 seconds

I would have expected the turbocharged 1.4L petrol to perform at par with or better than a 1.6L NA engine, and that's exactly what it does.
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Excellent review GTO. I should you are better off then autocar magazine guys.
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@sidindica - those figures look great. Just to put them in perspective, I've put together performance figures from ACI for the Vento (Petrol MT), Honda City and Linea T Jet. Also added a column with Vento (Diesel) figures .....
Thanks for those figures. I expected better from TJet - especially the in-gear acceleration times. I'm also a little surprised to see Vento Diesel's numbers. It almost matches the petrol counterparts and beats them handily in 20-80 and 40-100 (which are crucial for highway driving).

Of course real world performance is a different story. For normal cruising in city/short highway trips, the TJet and Vento TDi both feel quicker to me when compared to the ANHC.
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@imjimmy -
For the Vento D, a climb from 40 to 100 in 4th gear would mean the engine RPM going from 1274 to 3185 RPM (Calculated using gearing ratios I derived from the ACI figures, so may be a little inaccurate, but not too far from the actual numbers) which is smack in the middle of its peak torque range (250Nm from 1500 to 2500 RPM).

For the T , on the other hand, the same run in 4th gear would mean a climb from 1319 to 3297 RPM. For almost half of this range, i.e. 1319 to 2200, the turbo wouldn't even have kicked in. The same 40 to 100 in 3rd gear on the other hand would be a different story, with the T Jet's engine climbing from 1869 to 4672 RPM making full use of that turbo unit. Can't get figures for this though and I haven't been able to get my hands on a torque/power curve to calculate an estimated time.

In a real life highway situation, if I wanted to go from 40 to 100, I'd downshift to 3rd in a petrol car in any case. Diesel engines run at lower RPMs compared to petrols (generally, there are some exceptions) and the gearboxes are configured keeping this in mind. A quick scan through the max speed/rpm for each gear shows the difference.
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The numbers are very good IMO considering the weight of the car.

Let me throw in the numbers for fiesta 1.6, which IMO is the best driver's car within 10L (I have not driven the T-jet though).

Fiesta 1.6

0 to 60 = 4.78 sec
0-100 = 11.43 sec

20-80 in 3rd gear = 11.73 sec
40-100 in 4th gear = 17.21 sec

The numbers are surprisingly very similar to T-jet!
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bnzjon:[/b] IF you dont mind can you pls put up the offered price for a 1.3 year old Linea Petrol. This would give us a great perspective into whatkind of resale value propective linea customers can expect.
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Isn't it better to sell the current Linea at individual level rather than dealing for an exchange at the dealership, in case someone plans to upgrade to T-JET?

Dealers loot on these exchange offers by giving 10-15k exchange bonus but in turn offering to buy the second hand car at much lesser value (as they have to make a profit by selling it further).
OT : the dealers quote anywhere in the range of Rs. 500,000 (max)
Individual buyers quote around Rs. 625,000 to 650,000

Remember the On-road price is Rs. 850,000
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These are not great figures . 4th gear acceleration is absolutely uninspiring and pathetic for a turbo charged petrol vehicle . Even naturally aspirated petrol engines do deliver such figures no need to mention turbo diesels .

Mileage seems to be very good from a stable which usually quotes low mpg for fiat vehicles . In real road situations it may be much better .
Not sure why the acceleration is uninspiring or pathetic. If you see the comparison with Vento and City, The Linea is faster in the 3rd and 4th in gear acceleration and that too with about 200 cc lesser.

I would rather be happy with the turbo doing its bit to give better driveability and a decent mileage to boot.
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Not sure why the acceleration is uninspiring or pathetic. If you see the comparison with Vento and City, The Linea is faster in the 3rd and 4th in gear acceleration and that too with about 200 cc lesser.

I would rather be happy with the turbo doing its bit to give better driveability and a decent mileage to boot.
Absolutely. Also we need remember the weight of the car.. here is a quick look..

Linea T-Jet+ = 1230kgs
Honda City = 1100kgs
Vendo D = 1220kgs
Vendo P = 1130kgs
Fiesta P = 1130kgs

Linea is on an avg. 100 kgs more than the petrol counterparts.. with a considerably lower displacement (by 200cc) I think the numbers are quite good for such a heavy and huge car in the segment.. esp with those fat tyres..

Still now I am not able to see a car in this segment that has good road presence as Linea.. esp. the vento didn't attract my attention with respect to road presence.. it looks considerably small than the Linea or even the City.. may be in Verna's league...

Also can some Gurus throw light on why only 4700 rmp in 5th gear.. Its a petrol turbo and why not atleast 5000+RPM in 5th gear.. I am able to achieve ~185km/hr in my Diesel Linea at about 4600RPM in 5th gear.. and petrol should be able to rev atleast a little bit higher taking the top whack close to 200..am I missing something? May be the T-jet with 195 tyres should do a little bit more!

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