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Old 29th August 2010, 11:05   #421
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In response to the Russian tyre theme, the VW Downtown guy told me the OEM would be Apollo Arcelere. Honda has 4 OEM tyre suppliers, all Indian. Not sure why Russian tyres are bad- maybe someone could explain that.
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Something wrong with the figure here,the kerb weights of the City and the Vento are almost same(1100 kg i think).So with just a 10 bhp in power difference how can there be a 4.s difference in time?
Also highly doubt City can do 0-100 in 10s.
ANHC does it in 10 sec even in AutoBox and Old Honda City(OHC) can do it in 9 seconds. Its not just about bhp, engine performance also matters.
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ANHC does it in 10 sec even in AutoBox and Old Honda City(OHC) can do it in 9 seconds. Its not just about bhp, engine performance also matters.
The autobox is definitely slower than the manual and is in the 11s i think.
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Old 29th August 2010, 11:36   #424
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I don't know if someone has posted this- Auto Bild Magazine has carried a review/test and these are the estimated acceleration figures:
Diesel Vento: 0-100 kmph=13.5 secs
Petrol Vento (Manual):0-100 kmph=14.5 secs

To give a relative comparison, here are the figures from the same magazine on ANHC:
ANHC:0-100 kmph=10 secs.
Are you sure?
If I remember correctly, Autobild had quoted figures of 12.5 (petrol) and 11.5(diesel).

I had posted this earlier too in some other thread.
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Old 29th August 2010, 11:45   #425
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@Delhites

The VW-Vento has arrived in the showrooms today and I could see it in detail at Bhasin Moters at South extension -1 showroom this morning.

My findings:
- No major observations other than what discussed in this thread.
- No nonsense europian design as always.
- Hump at rear seems to be very high
- Did not give me a WoW feeling and front is very similar to POLO
- Looks very sturdy and feel of a real german car

Now if BHPans can help me on choosing between Diesel Trendline(On Road@9,01,517) and Diesel Highline (Onroad@10,39,219) - Difference here is 1,38,000.

HERE IS THE GIST OF CONFUSION IN CHOSING HL OR TL(SAVE 138K):

I WILL SURELY MISS(NEED INPUTS):
- ABS (Anti-lock Braking System)
- Dual airbags, driver and co-driver side
- Anti-theft system with interior surveillance and back-up alarm
- 4 power windows (with one-touch up and down only on driver’s side)
- Electrically adjustable outside rear view mirrors
- Multi-function display includes digital speed display, fuel effi ciency, distance till empty and service reminder
I NEVER WANTED (MAY BE I WILL BE HAPPY WITHOUT)
- Co-driver’s seat adjustment from rear seat for additional legroom
I THINK I SHOULD MANAGE WITHOUT
- 15inch Alloy in HL (TL with 14 inch steel wheels)
- Body-coloured exterior door handles and mirrors
- Rear centre armrest
- Storage pockets on front seat backs
- Leather wrapped steering wheel, gearshift knob & handbrake lever
- Interior chrome package (light, AC vents,handbrake knob & gearshift)
- Remote opening of boot lid with key remote
- Climatronic’ automatic AC with rear vents, dust/pollen filter
- Remote opening and closing of windows with key remote
- Chrome finish on front air dam, trunk and fog light surrounds
- Metallic/Pearl effect paint
- Pinch-guard safety for all 4 power windows
- Height-adjustable driver’s seat
I CAN GET ALTERNATIVES TO MANAGE (COULD BE BETTER) FOR ABOUT 20K
- Superior ‘Livon’ fabric upholstery with modified stitches
- Fog lights, front and rear
- Radio with CD-MP3 / WMA player and 4 speakers includes roof antenna
- Remote control for central locking, with 2 foldable keys for ease of carrying in the pocket
IMHO - HL - if you can afford it - No doubt about it. Reason?
  • Safety features and all the things you listed under - "will surely miss category"
  • "Manage without category" will more often then not, fall in to the "surely miss category", once you start using the car.
  • "Alternatives" will not be as good as originals that are available in Vento/Polo - except for the ICE.
  • Other electricals like Remote control, fog lamps..etc, are best factory fitted IMHO.
  • Worldwide - Main weakness of VW is its Electrical components/devices. Best to keep things simple & tidy.
All the best!
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Old 29th August 2010, 11:57   #426
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Are you sure?
If I remember correctly, Autobild had quoted figures of 12.5 (petrol) and 11.5(diesel).

I had posted this earlier too in some other thread.
This is from the latest issue (Sept 15).


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ANHC does it in 10 sec even in AutoBox and Old Honda City(OHC) can do it in 9 seconds. Its not just about bhp, engine performance also matters.
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The autobox is definitely slower than the manual and is in the 11s i think.
Right, AT can never be as fast as manual because it is heavier by 60 kg and some energy loss takes place in the torque converter.
When driven in manual mode, ANHC AT should be around 11.5 secs.
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Old 29th August 2010, 12:09   #427
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Now if BHPans can help me on choosing between Diesel Trendline(On Road@9,01,517) and Diesel Highline (Onroad@10,39,219) - Difference here is 1,38,000.
I did a very similar exercise as yours about 'really need' versus 'can do without' features in a highline. And went for the Polo highline; and I believe its worth all the money. Here's a list of why:

a) The integrated keyless entry system just cannot be had in the outside market. I took the car to an accessories shop, and the guy was totally in love with the Polo remote key features.
b) Larger wheels (that too alloys) and fatter tires are worth it - specially when you try to take the humps and potholed roads a little faster than other cars on the road.
c) ABS, Airbags - no harm in getting some insurance, right?
d) Highline is 'premium'. Make no mistake. The company spares no effort to put in stuff. For example - did you know that the highline had a slightly more powerful horn than the other model? I saw this when the spec sheet was pulled by Wildon - comparing a highline vs a trendline.

In general, the highline has been crafted with factory fitted stuff, and at superior levels. If you can afford it, just go for it! All the best
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Old 29th August 2010, 12:18   #428
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@Delhites

The VW-Vento has arrived in the showrooms today and I could see it in detail at Bhasin Moters at South extension -1 showroom this morning.

My findings:
- No major observations other than what discussed in this thread.
- No nonsense europian design as always.
- Hump at rear seems to be very high
- Did not give me a WoW feeling and front is very similar to POLO
- Looks very sturdy and feel of a real german car

Now if BHPans can help me on choosing between Diesel Trendline(On Road@9,01,517) and Diesel Highline (Onroad@10,39,219) - Difference here is 1,38,000.

HERE IS THE GIST OF CONFUSION IN CHOSING HL OR TL(SAVE 138K):

I WILL SURELY MISS(NEED INPUTS):
- ABS (Anti-lock Braking System)
- Dual airbags, driver and co-driver side
- Anti-theft system with interior surveillance and back-up alarm
- 4 power windows (with one-touch up and down only on driverís side)
- Electrically adjustable outside rear view mirrors
- Multi-function display includes digital speed display, fuel effi ciency, distance till empty and service reminder
I NEVER WANTED (MAY BE I WILL BE HAPPY WITHOUT)
- Co-driverís seat adjustment from rear seat for additional legroom
I THINK I SHOULD MANAGE WITHOUT
- 15inch Alloy in HL (TL with 14 inch steel wheels)
- Body-coloured exterior door handles and mirrors
- Rear centre armrest
- Storage pockets on front seat backs
- Leather wrapped steering wheel, gearshift knob & handbrake lever
- Interior chrome package (light, AC vents,handbrake knob & gearshift)
- Remote opening of boot lid with key remote
- Climatronicí automatic AC with rear vents, dust/pollen filter
- Remote opening and closing of windows with key remote
- Chrome finish on front air dam, trunk and fog light surrounds
- Metallic/Pearl effect paint
- Pinch-guard safety for all 4 power windows
- Height-adjustable driverís seat
I CAN GET ALTERNATIVES TO MANAGE (COULD BE BETTER) FOR ABOUT 20K
- Superior ĎLivoní fabric upholstery with modified stitches
- Fog lights, front and rear
- Radio with CD-MP3 / WMA player and 4 speakers includes roof antenna
- Remote control for central locking, with 2 foldable keys for ease of carrying in the pocket
I DONT SEE IN EITHER OF THEM
- A lower hump or plain at rear




COMPLETETLY AGREE
Is this a TD vehicle? I called VW Cochin and they still dont have a car for TD and the car will be launched on 7th and I may get the car by 10th. Still now havent got the feel of the car
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Old 29th August 2010, 17:24   #429
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Chief Competitors of the VW Vento

Honda City:
Why don't you consider the Ford Fiesta competition to the Vento or these other cars?

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ANHC does it in 10 sec even in AutoBox and Old Honda City(OHC) can do it in 9 seconds. Its not just about bhp, engine performance also matters.
What's the source of this information?

@King413: Please check post#409 on Page 28 for the answer.

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@Delhites

The VW-Vento has arrived in the showrooms today and I could see it in detail at Bhasin Moters at South extension -1 showroom this morning.

My findings:
- No major observations other than what discussed in this thread.
- No nonsense europian design as always.
- Hump at rear seems to be very high
- Did not give me a WoW feeling and front is very similar to POLO
- Looks very sturdy and feel of a real german car

Now if BHPans can help me on choosing between Diesel Trendline(On Road@9,01,517) and Diesel Highline (Onroad@10,39,219) - Difference here is 1,38,000.

HERE IS THE GIST OF CONFUSION IN CHOSING HL OR TL(SAVE 138K):

I WILL SURELY MISS(NEED INPUTS):
- ABS (Anti-lock Braking System)
- Dual airbags, driver and co-driver side
- Anti-theft system with interior surveillance and back-up alarm
- 4 power windows (with one-touch up and down only on driverís side)
- Electrically adjustable outside rear view mirrors
- Multi-function display includes digital speed display, fuel effi ciency, distance till empty and service reminder
I NEVER WANTED (MAY BE I WILL BE HAPPY WITHOUT)
- Co-driverís seat adjustment from rear seat for additional legroom
I THINK I SHOULD MANAGE WITHOUT
- 15inch Alloy in HL (TL with 14 inch steel wheels)
- Body-coloured exterior door handles and mirrors
- Rear centre armrest
- Storage pockets on front seat backs
- Leather wrapped steering wheel, gearshift knob & handbrake lever
- Interior chrome package (light, AC vents,handbrake knob & gearshift)
- Remote opening of boot lid with key remote
- Climatronicí automatic AC with rear vents, dust/pollen filter
- Remote opening and closing of windows with key remote
- Chrome finish on front air dam, trunk and fog light surrounds
- Metallic/Pearl effect paint
- Pinch-guard safety for all 4 power windows
- Height-adjustable driverís seat
I CAN GET ALTERNATIVES TO MANAGE (COULD BE BETTER) FOR ABOUT 20K
- Superior ĎLivoní fabric upholstery with modified stitches
- Fog lights, front and rear
- Radio with CD-MP3 / WMA player and 4 speakers includes roof antenna
- Remote control for central locking, with 2 foldable keys for ease of carrying in the pocket
I DONT SEE IN EITHER OF THEM
- A lower hump or plain at rear




COMPLETETLY AGREE
@uditmohanty: Vento Diesel HL seems to be much better value than Vento Diesel TL given that HL has ABS, airbags, height adjustable driver's seat,anti theft system, anti pinch windows safety guard, chrome package, ACC with rear AC vents apart from other features missing in TL variant & the features mentioned here are definitely required in a car of this category and is rather "must have". It is not possible to get the safety & security features done from after market.

I would suggest go for HL variant. Hope it will help you in making informed choice.
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Old 30th August 2010, 08:24   #432
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14" spare wheel have tyre to match the dia of the ones on the 15" alloy, the spare wheel doesnt really require an alloy, how often do you use them anyways?
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Dear, there are few vehicles in India that offer same size alloys as spare. If its not an alloy it does not matter whether its 14 of 15 inch (remember the external diameter remains the same for 14" and 15"); its simply a temporary solution. With 14 inch we will save a little of our hard earned moolah too.
my point was slightly different.
firstly if you calculate the overall diameter for the alloys [185/60 R15] and the stepney [175/70 R14], there's a difference of about 1.5 cms in the total.
agreed you don't need an alloy in the stepney, even i feel it's a waste of money.
but what stopped them from giving 15" steel rims?

yes, i know that the trendline comes with 14" rims. but why those in the TL either?! why not keep 15" diameter standard?

overall, it probably doesn't matter- but this is exactly the feeling of shortchanging that i was talking about.
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Why don't you consider the Ford Fiesta competition to the Vento or these other cars?
GTO has already replied it few posts above: "The Fiesta, in price and size, has now moved a segment lower. It's cabin space is comparable to a Swift Dzire."
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yes, i know that the trendline comes with 14" rims. but why those in the TL either?! why not keep 15" diameter standard?
IMHO - car companies have to put in deep thinking when deciding trims. The reason they dont load the basic model is around two reasons:
a) Keep the cost of the base in check - enough to get people to the showrooms!
b) Make sure the higher ends have some significant advantages - so people can end up buying this once they get to the showroom!

Giving a 15" non alloy wheel on the base model would work against both these principles.
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Differences in interior between Polo HL and Vento HL are
  • Decorative chrome fitting on steering
  • Climate control
Anything else?
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You can add internally adjustable OVRM to this list.
- Rear A/C vents.
- Front seat adjustable from the rear!
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