Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Vintage Cars & Classics in India > Post-War


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 1st January 2011, 17:48   #631
BHPian
 
edsuede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Scarborough (North Yorkshire)
Posts: 157
Thanked: 4 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by anjan_c2007 View Post
The MXF series from Nagpur is from the late 1970's .. may be 1979 or so.
Many Thanks for the information Anjan.

I really love all these different Scooter variants that you guys have in India. I just about get to the point where I think I've seen them all and then, like in this instance, another one comes to my attention

Regards
Ed
edsuede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd January 2011, 02:27   #632
BHPian
 
edsuede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Scarborough (North Yorkshire)
Posts: 157
Thanked: 4 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Hi Friends

I was looking through some photos taken by me at scooter events in 2010 and I came across these taken at a scooter sprinting event last summer at Elvington near the city of York here in the UK. A mix of Italian, Spanish and Indian machines here - all highly tuned to get the best speeds over a quarter mile distance.

Thought these might be interest.

Regards
Ed
Attached Images
          
edsuede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 3rd January 2011, 02:53   #633
BHPian
 
edsuede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Scarborough (North Yorkshire)
Posts: 157
Thanked: 4 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

More photos from the scooter sprinting

Regards
Ed
Attached Images
    
edsuede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th January 2011, 20:01   #634
Newbie
 
d4v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Leuven, Belgium
Posts: 18
Thanked: Once
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

@edsuede:

the connection between ASV Aravali 150 and Kelvinator Avanti 150 scooters is that Kelvinator took over ASV:

Aravali Svachalit Vahan Limited (ASVL)[/b]

The Rajasthan State Industrial and Mineral Development Corporation Limited established a subsidiary viz., Aravali Svachalit Vahan Limited (ASVL), on 17th March 1972 for implementation of the project for the manufacture of 24,000 scooters per annum at Alwar1.

In 1976, ASVL obtains a license from SIL to produce the SIL Vijay (Lambretta GP) scooter.

The Aravali 150 scooter is produced from 1976 until 1979.

In the early 1980s, ASVL merges with Kelvinator of India Ltd. and scooters are produced under the brand name "Avanti".

Kelvinator of India Ltd.

Whirlpool of India was incorporated as Kelvinator of India Ltd. in 1960 to manufacture refrigerators and related products.On may 26th 1982, with a view to foray into the two-wheeler business, Aravali Swachalit Vahan Ltd., a sick unit at Alwar, Rajasthan (which had produced the Aravali 150 scooter - a license of the SIL Vijay/Lambretta GP) was merged with the company and mopeds and scooters under the brand name Avanti were launched.
Industrial licence/letter of intent were received for the manufacture of 12,000 nos. per annum of mopeds. A separate factory was to be built for the manufacture of mopeds having an engine capacity up to 100 cc in collaboration with Agrati-Carelli Spa, Milano, Italy.Kelvinator of India Limited had merely received technical guidance from AGRATI-GARELLI of Italy for the manufacture of 'Avanti' 150 cc Scooters.

One such is Kelvinator India Limited, which claimed in ads that its 150 cc scooter Avanti had been manufactured in technical collaboration with ...

The Company introduced a 300 litre 2-door refrigerator for the lower and middle class consumers. A single speed (VIP-1) and 3-speed, kick start (VIP-3) mopeds were introduced along with two new models of cash registers.

The Company's R&D introduced two new models viz., Avanti auto gear and Avanti-3 gear mopeds.
d4v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th January 2011, 22:41   #635
BHPian
 
Mitch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Leeds, England
Posts: 104
Thanked: 3 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

The mind boggles at all these links between companies. Is this the norm in India? Is it because companies pick up 'sick units' for a bargain price?
Mitch is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th January 2011, 22:43   #636
BHPian
 
edsuede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Scarborough (North Yorkshire)
Posts: 157
Thanked: 4 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by d4v3 View Post
@edsuede:

the connection between ASV Aravali 150 and Kelvinator Avanti 150 scooters is that Kelvinator took over ASV:

Aravali Svachalit Vahan Limited (ASVL)[/b]

The Rajasthan State Industrial and Mineral Development Corporation Limited established a subsidiary viz., Aravali Svachalit Vahan Limited (ASVL), on 17th March 1972 for implementation of the project for the manufacture of 24,000 scooters per annum at Alwar1.

In 1976, ASVL obtains a license from SIL to produce the SIL Vijay (Lambretta GP) scooter.

The Aravali 150 scooter is produced from 1976 until 1979.

In the early 1980s, ASVL merges with Kelvinator of India Ltd. and scooters are produced under the brand name "Avanti".

Kelvinator of India Ltd.

Whirlpool of India was incorporated as Kelvinator of India Ltd. in 1960 to manufacture refrigerators and related products.On may 26th 1982, with a view to foray into the two-wheeler business, Aravali Swachalit Vahan Ltd., a sick unit at Alwar, Rajasthan (which had produced the Aravali 150 scooter - a license of the SIL Vijay/Lambretta GP) was merged with the company and mopeds and scooters under the brand name Avanti were launched.
Industrial licence/letter of intent were received for the manufacture of 12,000 nos. per annum of mopeds. A separate factory was to be built for the manufacture of mopeds having an engine capacity up to 100 cc in collaboration with Agrati-Carelli Spa, Milano, Italy.Kelvinator of India Limited had merely received technical guidance from AGRATI-GARELLI of Italy for the manufacture of 'Avanti' 150 cc Scooters.

One such is Kelvinator India Limited, which claimed in ads that its 150 cc scooter Avanti had been manufactured in technical collaboration with ...

The Company introduced a 300 litre 2-door refrigerator for the lower and middle class consumers. A single speed (VIP-1) and 3-speed, kick start (VIP-3) mopeds were introduced along with two new models of cash registers.

The Company's R&D introduced two new models viz., Avanti auto gear and Avanti-3 gear mopeds.
Thank you d4v3 for such detailed information - very much appreciated

Regards
Ed
edsuede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th January 2011, 21:24   #637
Newbie
 
d4v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Leuven, Belgium
Posts: 18
Thanked: Once
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

@Mitch: has to do with the socialist ideas during the seventies, after the Indian government bought the Lambretta it was easy for anyone under the small scale industry act to start a manufacturing company.

I posted related info at
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/collec...ml#post1467631

The SIL sublicenses info is mainly based on Ed's post on the LCGB forums (bows to Ed).

In case anyone's interested:
ASV is nowadays "Alwar Auto Components"
Alwar Auto Components
d4v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th March 2011, 20:53   #638
BHPian
 
TuffRyder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 494
Thanked: 26 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Hi Guys:

Picked up a MAC 175S today. It is 1980 model and Im the third owner. Owned by a friend's dad from 1988. It is still on the original paint. We got it down to the garage and stripped the engine. Almost all the parts need a change/overhaul but Im glad that engine has not been tampered/modified. It is running on the original unsleeved cylinder and the piston is of the second oversize.

So now, I am scouting for parts and mostly should be getting what I need by Monday, except for the badges and the speedo. The speedo for the MAC I think should be the 120 kmph one and I have the 100 kmph.

The engine is going to get a complete overhaul with a new piston and a new gearbox.

Does anyone have the MAC175S handbook that I can get a copy of? Trammway from here had one but I think he has given it away.

Any info of these scooters, pictures, literature would be greatly appreciated.

Also if someone has any info on where I can get the badges and the speedo. Thank you.

Here are some pictures.
Attached Thumbnails
Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00556.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00557.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00558.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00560.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00561.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00562.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00563.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00564.jpg  

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-dsc00565.jpg  

TuffRyder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th March 2011, 21:10   #639
BHPian
 
insaneinsaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 72
Thanked: 3 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Beautiful... Is the one piece seat original? If so, it is rare! Do you plan to retain it? I have been looking for one locally in any condition. Any leads/ideas? Can it be converted from a chetak seat?
insaneinsaan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th March 2011, 22:07   #640
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Stanher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hyderabad, AP
Posts: 6,333
Thanked: 1,545 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffRyder View Post
Picked up a MAC 175S today. It is 1980 model and Im the third owner. Owned by a friend's dad from 1988. It is still on the original paint.

Any info of these scooters, pictures, literature would be greatly appreciated.
Congrats Pat! That looks like one decent scooter. Unfortunate that it has lost all the original badges, these should've been handled carefully.

I had seen one here a couple of years ago with the speedo and side-panel badges almost completely intact.
I'm not sure if these could be had though- the MAC was a short-lived scooter.

'hope these pics. would help, in case its possible to fabricate.

BTW, you might be knowing the origin of the name 'MAC'!

Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-img_0140.jpg <br /> <a href=Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-img_0146.jpg <br /> <a href=Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-img_0141.jpg <br /> <a href=Lambretta scooter lovers here ?-img_0145.jpg   <div style=
Stanher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th March 2011, 22:22   #641
BHPian
 
insaneinsaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 72
Thanked: 3 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

I have 2 MAC mudflaps, can spare one... only if your scooter is green or red/orange :-)
insaneinsaan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th March 2011, 22:26   #642
BHPian
 
insaneinsaan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 72
Thanked: 3 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Wow, just noticed the front shocks! nice touch!
insaneinsaan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th March 2011, 18:22   #643
BHPian
 
edsuede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Scarborough (North Yorkshire)
Posts: 157
Thanked: 4 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Hey TuffRyder - a very nice, rare find my friend and seemingly in very good condition too

Information on these (and most other Indian Lambretta derivatives) can be found in an excellent publication called

'The Indian Lambretta Guide'

Published here in the UK by David Williams (fanaticscooters.co.uk)

The book gives the following information regarding the Mac;

As part of the licencing agreement with API, Innocenti supplied detail on the TV175 series 2. Starting in the late 1970s the Mac was then manufacured and sold as a special edition of the Lamby model. The Mac name was in honour of the API Chairman M.A. Chidambaram, known to his colleagues as 'Mac'.

Technical details; the cylinder kits used were machined 175cc cylinder kits from the original TV175 patterns. The gear ratios are lower than those of the Lamby 150 and as such the performance is said to be similar to that of the Italian TV175 model. As already recognised, the scooter had it's own badges and panel emblems and came with the the traditional rounded series 2 panels (not indented as per the Lamby) but still of the clip on type and was supplied with a 120kmph speedometer.

Hope the above is useful.

Regards
Ed
edsuede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st March 2011, 00:15   #644
BHPian
 
TuffRyder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 494
Thanked: 26 Times
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanher View Post
Congrats Pat! That looks like one decent scooter. Unfortunate that it has lost all the original badges, these should've been handled carefully.

I had seen one here a couple of years ago with the speedo and side-panel badges almost completely intact.
I'm not sure if these could be had though- the MAC was a short-lived scooter.

'hope these pics. would help, in case its possible to fabricate.

BTW, you might be knowing the origin of the name 'MAC'!
Thanks Stan. Yes it is unfortunate but then I really woudnt blame the previous owner, if anything I would be happy he kept it so intact, although this was not ridden very frequently over the last couple of years.

The main thing I bought this scooter was because it held an emtional place in my friend's family and was well taken care of, apart from it being in good nick and having proper documents. There were a lot of offers made for it but my friend chose to sell it to me, although it was for half the price of what was offered.

This was a daily rider once upon a time, and practicality prevailed more than keeping it original. (I gave away a Jawa tank switch tank for a regular one because I did not have the key and couldnt be bothered). The badges were of real poor quality and broke off very easily, so he would have just removed it after it broke off the first time. Im a little confused though, the side panels have holes on only one side where the badges fit. The owner remembers only one panel having the badges. This scoot is on itz original paint and I can see no welds that would have closed the screw/rivet holes.

I am going to try my best to get the badges, if not Im sure I can get them made, thanks to your pictures.

Also, I will get a dial made and a meter recalibrated. Im thinking it is really wishful thinking hoping to get the original one.

Thanks a lot stan, these were some real good pictures and of very good help. I didn't think I would be able to get good pictures of this scoot but well, Team-BhP tends to surprise you.

InsaneInsaan: I still havent decided if I need to paint this scooter as it is on the original paint, but then I think I will need to as it is showing signs of rust and the leg shields need tinkering. I feel guilty when I paint a bike/scoot which is on its original paint and I have done it to 3 others, but again praciticality prevailed. I would like to get hold of one of those flaps if you dont mind, but I really cant promise what color the scoot will be. For now it is white

Edsuede: Thank you and yes I have heard of that book. Does that give good details of the MAC though? The info that you gave was very useful though and I really appreciate it.

Opening the engine was fun, although it looked like most other 150 engines, it was quite different. The crank is so small and a real short stroke. Even the magneto was small but then it was also thicker. Such a simple engine and it was a pleasant sight. All the markings in it was just API and did not have any Lambretta or Lamby on it.

Does anyone know the years it was manufactured and how many were made? I hear it was 78 to 79. This scooter is 1980 though.

Cheers

Last edited by TuffRyder : 21st March 2011 at 00:18.
TuffRyder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st March 2011, 10:54   #645
Newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 24
Thanked: Once
Default Re: Lambretta scooter lovers here ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by edsuede View Post
Hi Friends

I was looking through some photos taken by me at scooter events in 2010 and I came across these taken at a scooter sprinting event last summer at Elvington near the city of York here in the UK. A mix of Italian, Spanish and Indian machines here - all highly tuned to get the best speeds over a quarter mile distance.

Thought these might be interest.

Regards
Ed
Wow this is great, can you post the timings on the quarter mile run please.

You guys surely have built some wonderful machines.
Old Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hero announces 150cc Turbo-Diesel Scooter and Dash 110cc scooter CARDEEP Motorbikes 64 1st October 2015 10:24
3 recent acquisitions - A Lambretta & 2 Vespas. Update: restoration of 1973 Lambretta wbd8779 Post-War 44 8th January 2012 07:33
Now that's what I call a scooter! The genuine scooter company NoMind Motorbikes 0 31st March 2009 15:07
Decals of Scooter Club Badges for my Lambretta... stevie g Motorbikes 0 7th March 2009 01:40


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 10:09.

Copyright 2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks