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Old 9th January 2013, 09:28   #991
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Yesterday I acquire fiat 137d of 1994 model. Every thing is original.Today I will give it for servicing. Here are pictures. Sorry for picture quality.
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Dear Arun - reliability of steering lock cum ignition switch is extremely poor. Even the Lucar terminals (the flat ones on which wires are soldered) used to come out. That's why you can see that the terminals are soldered on the switch. We did this as a last resort. Murugan was the engineer working on this "project", Subhash Phadnis was the electrical guy and as usual I was the test engineer. If you can lay your hands on an original SIPEA ANTIFURTO switch, grab it with both hands at whatever price the shopkeeper asks for. It comes in a dark blue box, the key is slightly shorter than the regular one. I recently got one for 3000 rupees. I have kept it very safely. It will go on my left hand drive car MH01YA3238. In its day, it was available for 600 rupees, but not any more. The guy who had it knew the value (original + Italian) so I had no choice. Another way is to mount a regular switch on the instrument panel, parallel wire both the switches and use it whenever necessary. I had this arrangement in my rally car MMY43. Don't even attempt to repair this switch. Its a waste of time.

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Dear Mr. Dhabhar, I have recently acquired a S1, unfortunately the steering lock key was broken by my wife, while she was trying to move the car.

Two questions, as the local Chaavi wala in Bombay is unable to make a duplicate key for Steering lock, what are my alternatives.?

If I am lucky to find one "SIPEA ANTIFURTO" steering lock, is there a model number for the same.?

Thanking you in advance for some information
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Dear Mr. Dhabhar, if I am lucky to find one "SIPEA ANTIFURTO" steering lock, is there a model number for the same.? Thanking you in advance for some information
Dear Shivshanker - first of all, you just won't get SIPEA ANTIFURTO. The guy having very few pieces (laround 5) still left "somewhere in Opera House" is asking for an exorbitant price, I asked, smiled and walked away, it's not worth it! I really don't know the part number but I can recognize the suitable switch instantly. I suggest you try and purchase a "Jay" make switch for the Padmini, you may find it at Shetty Motors where I got mine. Alternatively, you can scout around the shops in Chor Bazaar!

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Dear Behram Sir,

Can you please explain what is the technical difference between a so called 5 port head and a 7 port head and in which specific FIAT 1100 models were they used?
Just curious to know.

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I have a Magneti Marelli distributor still on in my Fiat Delight. Should I change it to a Lucas?
Does someone have a A1A engine lying around by any chance for sale? My next desire is to prepare a complete Rally Fiat, with twin carbs from Shrikant Shah. Just bought a new engine Head, to start work.
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I have a Magneti Marelli distributor still on in my Fiat Delight. Should I change it to a Lucas?
Does someone have a A1A engine lying around by any chance for sale? My next desire is to prepare a complete Rally Fiat, with twin carbs from Shrikant Shah. Just bought a new engine Head, to start work.
Parts for the Marelli distributor are hard to find. Even when available, I have found them of inferior quality. If its working fine at the moment you could leave it as is, but if driving long distance I would recommend you fit the TVS Lucas unit and forget it. Ditto for ignition coil.

Needless to say, carefully preserve the originals.

More needless to say, I hope another car is being prepared as a rally car, and not the Delight Contact Srikant Apte of MASA in Pune - he had loads of stuff he wanted to dispose of.
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Dear Shivshanker - first of all, you just won't get SIPEA ANTIFURTO. The guy having very few pieces (laround 5) still left "somewhere in Opera House" is asking for an exorbitant price, I asked, smiled and walked away, it's not worth it! I really don't know the part number but I can recognize the suitable switch instantly. I suggest you try and purchase a "Jay" make switch for the Padmini, you may find it at Shetty Motors where I got mine. Alternatively, you can scout around the shops in Chor Bazaar!

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar
Thank you sir, another question for you and other mumbai KAR's.

I need trust worthy and reliable garages mechanics for the Fiats in Bombay. I would rather start with ur mechanic as "the fear of (fiat) god" would be in him.

While I realize that I might have made a tall ask... Please feel free to list down the garages you most frequent.

After my fiat has come into my possession .. the first casualty is the lock as I am unable to start the car now, cannot do any more fault findings.

looking forward to all the responses
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I have a Magneti Marelli distributor still on in my Fiat Delight. Should I change it to a Lucas?
Does someone have a A1A engine lying around by any chance for sale? My next desire is to prepare a complete Rally Fiat, with twin carbs from Shrikant Shah. Just bought a new engine Head, to start work.
The main consumables on the Distributor are the Points and condenser. And if the distributor is old then may be the springs for centrifugal advance.

If the Carburetor that you are going to use will have Vacuum advance then buy a lucas with Vacuum Advance else use the Magmetic marelli.

In both the cases (MM or Lucas) Would reccomend using an Electronic Ignition and a suitable new Ignition coil. This will once for all remove the problem of Points.

One guy in Mumbai - Kiran Bidhe manyfactures Electronic Ignition system for cars with a contact breaker point system. I have used the same 12-13 years ago on quite a few Premier Padmani's (those were the days when PP used to line up for all kind of repair work) and was a gem to use.

I am going to do same on my Magnetic Marelli Distributor, will employ Electronic Ignition (point less) for normal use. And will preserve the Original MM and Facet Italy points for ever.
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The main consumables on the Distributor are the Points and condenser. And if the distributor is old then may be the springs for centrifugal advance.

If the Carburetor that you are going to use will have Vacuum advance then buy a lucas with Vacuum Advance else use the Magmetic marelli.

In both the cases (MM or Lucas) Would reccomend using an Electronic Ignition and a suitable new Ignition coil. This will once for all remove the problem of Points.

One guy in Mumbai - Kiran Bidhe manyfactures Electronic Ignition system for cars with a contact breaker point system. I have used the same 12-13 years ago on quite a few Premier Padmani's (those were the days when PP used to line up for all kind of repair work) and was a gem to use.

I am going to do same on my Magnetic Marelli Distributor, will employ Electronic Ignition (point less) for normal use. And will preserve the Original MM and Facet Italy points for ever.
Can you please give me contact details of Kiran Bidhe. Does his system go directly into the distributor?
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Can you please give me contact details of Kiran Bidhe. Does his system go directly into the distributor?
Here is one thread on Team BHP itself -

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/modifi...-ignition.html (Auto Escorts ignition?)

And yes these go straight on the distributor. You just need to take out the point + condencer and put in their system. Easy as eating a burger (atleast for you).

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Dear Fellow Bhpians,

I got the clutch plate, pressure plate, Clutch Fork and the Release Bearing of my 84 model Padmini Changed. Post replacement of all these parts, there is perceptible clutch Judder (In half clutch, its like a Dhak Dhak Dhak sound with the car not buzzing much, worse in the back gear, the sound is more pronounced with the differential emitting a noise too). I have given the car back to the mechanic couple of times and have called him today evening to rectify the problem. But he seems not being able to spot it. First he said that the Engine Mountings had worn out and that due to which there is misalignment leading to constant judder. Post replacement of the Mountings too, the Judder is there , albeit marginally reduced. Seeking your feedback as to how to rectify this problem.

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Dear Fellow Bhpians,

I got the clutch plate, pressure plate, Clutch Fork and the Release Bearing of my 84 model Padmini Changed. Post replacement of all these parts, there is perceptible clutch Judder (In half clutch, its like a Dhak Dhak Dhak sound with the car not buzzing much, worse in the back gear, the sound is more pronounced with the differential emitting a noise too).
Sandeep, Did your mechanic use a proper tool to align the clutch plate centre while tightening the bolts of the pressure plate? Was there any oil that was not wiped off from the flywheel / clutch plate / pressure plate?
Did you happen to replace the gear box mounts?
There could be other possible reasons too due to which you could feel this sort of judders, which I couldn't think of.
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Ilangop,

I will check with the mechanic regarding the possible Oil Residue. As regards the Tool used, I am completely in dark. The mounts changed are the thick black pieces of rubber on either side of the gearbox visible in the engine bay. What should the corrective action be?
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While trolling through the bonhams auction catalog i came across this very strange example of a special bodied fiat 1100, we all know that similar cars known as "the jolly" were built on 600 platforms but this one is just one off two. If i had a spare 59 i would definately attept to build something like this. And ofcourse dont miss the price 50,000$$ probably the most expensive fiat 1100 in the world.
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Is this the original tail lamp glass ( the repro ones that I have seen or have do not have the spearate reflector for the red.) Any comments from the experts.

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