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Old 23rd July 2009, 15:58   #31
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Therefore this car is not a Magnette, going through few books on this car, i learnt that the grille is not grafted but came on few MG ZA during 1956-58, done mostly in a hurry and carelessness by the company to push imports.
I'm sorry I don't follow. Are you saying the car is an MG ZA with a Wolseley grille from the company?
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I'm sorry I don't follow. Are you saying the car is an MG ZA with a Wolseley grille from the company?
Its not just the grille that is different on the Wolseley and the MG but the bonnet opening apperture is different.

There is no way a Wolseley grille could be substituted for a MG and vice versa.
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Old 23rd July 2009, 19:42   #33
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The question now is whether it will be restored to a Wolseley or MG?
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I'm sorry I don't follow. Are you saying the car is an MG ZA with a Wolseley grille from the company?
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Its not just the grille that is different on the Wolseley and the MG but the bonnet opening apperture is different.

There is no way a Wolseley grille could be substituted for a MG and vice versa.
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The question now is whether it will be restored to a Wolseley or MG?
now with all your inputs i am getting confused

And i agree what Wasif says about the bonnet & grille story, not possible to graft it just as it is, and the other things i've noticed,
1) a MG has curved windshield at the rear but this car has flat glass which makes it a Wolsley.
2) The engine also is a wolsley engine,
3) MG comes with a Twin carb setup but here its one carb,
4) Flat top dashboard that i've noticed gives me the feeling its not what i thought.
5) The side running boards in MG is curved inside, but here just because its a wolsley it protrudes outside.

But the point is if this car is a Wolsley then what about its ZA badge behind, maybe some overenthusiastic mechanic sticking it on to the car.
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But the point is if this car is a Wolsley then what about its ZA badge behind, maybe some overenthusiastic mechanic sticking it on to the car.
Its a simple badge, (the other one is a sticker!), don't count it at all. So we can safely assume it is a Wolseley. But just check the RC book, problem solved.
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There is a similar car in this thread

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...ml#post1246313 (Calcutta-Restorer/Collectors-Bumpu Sircar)

Check posts #5 & #7

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Its a simple badge, (the other one is a sticker!), don't count it at all. So we can safely assume it is a Wolseley. But just check the RC book, problem solved.
Need i say more, these are the advantages of having such a wonderful forum and more to it, so knowledgeable people to help you.

Thank you guys, i'll have a look at the document once, but who knows what car document it is,and what car was sold to Mr Beliappa
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Its a simple badge, (the other one is a sticker!), don't count it at all. So we can safely assume it is a Wolseley. But just check the RC book, problem solved.
Sorry to jump on to the bandwagon so late guys.. But I too really thought is WAS a Wolseley at first sight ! Just was not sure, what with all the gurus around - it would've been "chhota mu badi baat"
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Now for some updates on the car.

1) Engine oil flushed and new oil added.
2) Gearbox oil flushed and new oil added.
3) Original Solex carb rebuild kit sourced and serviced
4) New radiator sourced and grafted onto the old set up.
5) Complete brakes and lines are brand new.
6) Master cylinder / Clutch servo- serviced and new boots added.
7) Gear stick shift and column, serviced and few boots replaced.
8) Suspension bush kits replaced
9) Tie rod ends replaced
10) Steering rack serviced, new boots replaced.
11) Petrol tank flushed - ready to add new fuel
12) New fuel lines drawn- copper used as they are rust proof.
13) New water body replaced
14) New fuel pump replaced
15) Oil sump removed, cleaned and re-installed
16) New fuel, air and oil filter replaced.
17) New points and condencer replaced.

Phew, looks like this car is a thirsty one, gulping almost all new parts wherever and whenever it feels.

Sometimes a simple restoration starts getting more cumbersome and tedious. This one is turning out to be a real pain.

Its days away from reaching the tinker for some tinkering job.

Will upload some pics later..
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Brakes giving lot of trouble.

The cars ready in all aspects mechanically, but somehow the new brake setup is not working fine.

Will need to do some R&D this weekend to set it right.
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Do you have the original servo on for this car?

Is it have the master cylinder on the servo or somewhere else?

The reason I ask is, I was having similar problems with the servo on my rover where the brakes would incessantly keep getting jammed, i ordered 5 kits (35pounds each) from the UK had it overhauled 5 times but the problem refused to go. the wheels would just lock up at a signal.

Infact i got fed up of the car having to be garaged with the problem so I finally bypassed the Servo with an Esteem servo, She is running fine now. I have sent the original servo to the UK to the specialists for this car. In the meanwhile altleast the car is motorable.

Can you post pics of your servo unit for my knowledge? Is it Lockheed?
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Did these cars have a servoed braking system, whether Wolseley or MG?

And that also reminds me, Pavan we still do not have the final word from you regarding the make of this car. Are you still waiting to refer to the registration book? I noticed in your reply on spark plugs in another thread yesterday you mentioned an MG. Was it with reference to this or another? Unveil her, please!
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Do you have the original servo on for this car?

Is it have the master cylinder on the servo or somewhere else?

The reason I ask is, I was having similar problems with the servo on my rover where the brakes would incessantly keep getting jammed, i ordered 5 kits (35pounds each) from the UK had it overhauled 5 times but the problem refused to go. the wheels would just lock up at a signal.

Infact i got fed up of the car having to be garaged with the problem so I finally bypassed the Servo with an Esteem servo, She is running fine now. I have sent the original servo to the UK to the specialists for this car. In the meanwhile altleast the car is motorable.

Can you post pics of your servo unit for my knowledge? Is it Lockheed?
Its got the Master cylinder, One unit which drives the brakes and the clutch.

Me too facing the same problem, tonight hopefully we might try some permutation and combination and get the brakes right once and for all.

Pics..... will post it soon.

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And that also reminds me, Pavan we still do not have the final word from you regarding the make of this car. Are you still waiting to refer to the registration book? I noticed in your reply on spark plugs in another thread yesterday you mentioned an MG. Was it with reference to this or another? Unveil her, please!

Presently i am referring to this car as an MG, as i see more of MG'ish fittings on the car, once it comes to tinkering, only then i would rename the car.

Yes, the registration book has not yet reached me and my mechanic is going crazy finding the data plates on the car(Its been covered with thick black paint)
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The British Motor Corporation (BMC) was formed in 1952, following the merger of the Austin Motor Company and the Nuffield Organisation, which was a large conglomerate that owned many brands beside its flagship Morris, such as MG, Riley and Wolseley. With the merger, the once bitter rivals, Austin and Morris, awakened to the post war era, where standardization of body styles and running gear gave a competitive edge particularly in the export market. At the same time, BMC realized that each car brand they now owned was still associated in the public perception with a certain style. Therefore, they indulged in brand engineering, where essentially the same car, was re-branded under different names to appeal to a certain class of consumer. Of course, it was not a question of merely taking away one logo and fitting on another; there were also minor changes to the body style, upholstery, carburetion etc, to associate it with the brand concerned. Thus for basically the same rounded shape of Pavanís car, there was a Wolseley, an MG (named the Magnette, reviving an earlier name used in the thirties for the 6 cylinder OHC engines) and a Riley version (probably named the Pathfinder).
One way to confirm whether Pavanís car is an MG or Wolseley is to check the dashboard. The ZB had a large half octagonal speedometer set in a wooden dashboard (photo attached). The MG logo was used everywhere too, check if they were on the hubcaps.
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car is an MG or Wolseley is to check the dashboard. The ZB had a large half octagonal speedometer set in a wooden dashboard (photo attached). The MG logo was used everywhere too, check if they were on the hubcaps.
Even the dashboard is been tampered with buddy. I am designing a new dashboard for this car using PINE Wood.

This restoration basically looks simple from outside, but to get its original identity back and finding what it was is one herculean task at hand presently.

BTW, as per the owner of this car, he's damn sure its an MG, but due to a street smart mechanic, the identity is lost.

Well, he presently wants the car to run, and wants it more to be a show car than a concurs car. so i am taking a bit of LIBERTY while its restoration.

Though i intend not to bugger it too much, will implement little mods but retain its original essence.
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