Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Vintage Cars & Classics in India > Post-War


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 15th March 2011, 00:08   #16
BHPian
 
jeepster09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 97
Thanked: 14 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram View Post
Bajaj-Tempo mfd. them under license at Akurdi, Pune from 1960 until 2000.

These were ragtop Tempos used as taxis in MP, affectionately called a bhatsuar (भटसुअर) a "stuttering mechanical pig". Here is a pic of a भटसुअर used as a Gwalior shared taxi from Gwalior Fort Gate to Morar cantonment. Ram
Ram,

The 'Bhatsuars' were very much in active service at Kalyan and I remember seeing them around 1998-2000 there. There were a lot of them being used as taxis between Kalyan station and Shahad-Ulhasnagar routes.

I also remember seeing a lot of variation in the body styles and the age of the vehicles. While half of them seemed to be very old ones,there were quite a few ones which were relatively newer ones.

I particularly recollect them as I had seen them being used as goods tempos in Bombay during my childhood days then but never as the passenger vehicles seen in Kalyan. These seem to have been replaced by the Minidors later and now by the tempo trax muvs.

Your post on the Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter with the illustrated line drawing was very interesting and was a new thing for me.

Regards,
jeepster09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th March 2011, 10:01   #17
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,165
Thanked: 144 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by jagadeesh.b View Post
Hey Ram, I remember seeing one like this standing in Pudhupet, Chennai in 1993 or 1994 for a long time.
Interesting jagadeesh. That's around the Egmore area right?
Might it have been captured in some Tamil movie too?
Can you get hold of an old photograph ?
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th March 2011, 21:30   #18
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: hyderabad
Posts: 94
Thanked: 54 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Ram, Yes you are right it is near the Egmore. I saw it sanding there for about 2 weeks I used to go to college in Bus that time. after that I did not see it, may be it was scraped. Unfortunetly I do not have any photos.
jagadeesh.b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15th March 2011, 22:32   #19
Distinguished - BHPian
 
anjan_c2007's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: India
Posts: 5,531
Thanked: 4,702 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

A few weeks back while moving through the Jabalpur bypass, I could sight some of these "Suars" still hale and hearty, alive and kicking and moving with loads of passengers.
These are from the early 1980's or so going by their registration numbers.These are not seen within the city limits however!
Name:  DSC06941.JPG
Views: 1280
Size:  132.2 KB

Name:  DSC06942.JPG
Views: 1321
Size:  133.5 KB

Name:  DSC06943.JPG
Views: 1184
Size:  134.9 KB

Name:  DSC06945.JPG
Views: 1271
Size:  130.4 KB

Name:  DSC06946.JPG
Views: 2291
Size:  133.2 KB
anjan_c2007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2011, 01:22   #20
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Stanher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hyderabad, AP
Posts: 6,332
Thanked: 1,542 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

The 'Bhatsuars' were quite common in some places in Rajasthan, I remember from my childhood days there.

And here is one used in a Tamil movie that I posted earlier, its supposed to be in Bombay:

Stanher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2011, 01:51   #21
Ram
Senior - BHPian
 
Ram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Singapore, Mumbai, Nagpur
Posts: 2,165
Thanked: 144 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quite unintentionally, this thread is mixing up
the British Scammell Scarab articulated dust cart, which has become very rare (possibly extinct in India)

with

the much more familiar and common Bajaj-Tempo Hanseat (Bhatsuar:भटसुअर) passenger and goods carriers.

On the one hand, the Scammell Scarab had a water-cooled 4-cyl. flathead 2,090 cc petrol engine mounted in the steel ladder chassis behind the driver's cabin. Make no mistake, this engine was powerful like that in the military Willys MB Jeep.
Its radiator was in the rear wall of the driver's cabin. The radiator grille was in the right hand side wall of the driverís cabin.
Designed to haul a 6 ton load, the 3-wheel Scarab tractor's final drive was via a conventional propeller-shaft to a differential on the rear-wheels. The brakes were linked to a vacuum proportioning servo to apply correct braking to the garbage trailer.
Highly maneuverable, the front wheel could be steered enough to make the tractor pivot with either rear wheel stationary.

On the other hand, The Bajaj-Tempo Hanseat had a Heinkel 2-cyl. 2-stroke 400 cc, 12-14 bhp petrol engine, (and later a Greaves-Lombardini 1-cyl. 500 cc 9 bhp diesel engine). Its small radiator was in the front behind the radiator grille. This little engine sat on the front suspension. Final drive was via a motorcycle-type gearbox and chain drive to the single front wheel.

Other than that, both were three-wheelers, there's no further similarity between the two three-wheelers.

Ram
Ram is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2011, 08:28   #22
BHPian
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: pune
Posts: 75
Thanked: 54 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Here is close look of Bajaj Tempo Hanseat
Attached Thumbnails
Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter-te.jpg  

veldeep is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 16th March 2011, 14:24   #23
Senior - BHPian
 
the mole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 2,154
Thanked: 707 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ram View Post
Quite unintentionally, this thread is mixing up
the British Scammell Scarab articulated dust cart, which has become very rare (possibly extinct in India)
Dear Ram, You are right lets keep this thread dedicated to the Scammell Scarab,I am quite sure I have photos of (not very good ones) of the Scarab in my Bombay street scene collection in the office, will sit down patiently and pull out something for you this weekend. Keep up the sketching! regards Amol
the mole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2011, 13:37   #24
BHPian
 
edsuede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Scarborough (North Yorkshire)
Posts: 157
Thanked: 4 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Great thread

I remember seeing these Scammels here in the UK as a little boy growing up in the 1970s.

I remember the flat-bed variants towing trailers behind them full of luggage and freight at railways and airports.

Regards
Ed
edsuede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2011, 14:48   #25
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Stanher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hyderabad, AP
Posts: 6,332
Thanked: 1,542 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by harit View Post
Regarding Tempo, have a look at Adil Darukhanawallas new book, there is a whole story there with pictures.
Hi harit,
What book is this? For our benefit, could you let us all know the title please?
Stanher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th March 2011, 16:18   #26
Senior - BHPian
 
manishalive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 2,424
Thanked: 703 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanher View Post
Hi harit,
What book is this? For our benefit, could you let us all know the title please?
I hope he is talking about 'Classics and Thoroughbreds' .

Jackie Shroff pays a visit to the ZigWheels DEN

I could mage to find only this picture of the book.

Name:  jackieadilzig_1_560x420.jpg
Views: 961
Size:  78.9 KB
manishalive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th March 2011, 22:03   #27
BANNED
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NAMMA BENGALURU
Posts: 5,613
Thanked: 2,459 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by veldeep View Post
Here is close look of Bajaj Tempo Hanseat
This is so nostalgic.

I remember, as a child ( 22 yrs ago) ,when our Big Joing family split, we moved out and shifted all our stuff, including me, my Mom,and Dad shifted in the same Bajaj Tempo.

I was so much besotted by this vehicle, i still long to get hold of one , but sadly there are NONE in the city..
PAVAN KADAM is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 26th June 2011, 16:03   #28
BHPian
 
djpeesh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 605
Thanked: 735 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

I found this website... with a picture

The Nick Baldwin Collection
djpeesh is online now   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 27th June 2011, 10:39   #29
Senior - BHPian
 
the mole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 2,154
Thanked: 707 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by djpeesh View Post
I found this website... with a picture

The Nick Baldwin Collection
Congratulations and thank you finally we have a visual of the real mcoy.
the mole is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27th June 2011, 11:15   #30
BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Bangalore
Posts: 264
Thanked: 197 Times
Default Re: Bombay's Scammel Scarab Articulated Refuse Transporter

Quote:
Originally Posted by djpeesh View Post
I found this website... with a picture

The Nick Baldwin Collection
A great and rare find !! The initial drawing almost matches the actual image. The color is also correct.
Ravindra M is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
3 cars with Maruti's security system refuse to unlock. Signal jammers at work? avdhesh15 Technical Stuff 33 5th November 2015 12:19
Nissan dealers refuse to take vehicles from the factory! vikrantj The Indian Car Scene 21 16th November 2012 18:46
Need a Transporter for moving goods from Jaipur to Moradabad iraghava Shifting gears 2 19th July 2007 15:13
Mercedes Race Car Transporter v12 The International Automotive Scene 3 18th July 2004 17:18


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 23:12.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks