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Old 14th April 2011, 18:51   #1
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How come the Saunad is called "Zweirad", which is German (!) for "two-wheeler"..? Seems German is a popular language in India..?

And also, how come the Saunad looks like a very close copy of German Hercules-Models of that same area? See picture of K50 Sprint, specially the tank - i'd bet that the tank from the Saunad is 100% compatible. Hercules used Sachs engines at that time but previously also had used Victoria engines! I owned a Hercules K50 RL with front swing arm (see second picture, mine was exactly like that, same colour too) which as the same tank but a stronger engine (5-speed, 6.25 horse power, some 100 km/h). Hercules's mopeds were known as MK1, MK2, MK4, Supra 4 and Supra 4 GP, all looking more-or-less identical and pretty much like the here mentioned Saunad.


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Being " long time No see"..here at this thread
Asking our German to identify the Bike (or moped) posted here..guess it is a Victoria stuff ( note that V3 badge beneath the fuel tank)
For sure it is a German machine .Hand twist gear selector shows 2 speed!!
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Seems a nice find. No engine or Carburettor to give a clue? It doesnt seem too old, may be early 70's? One more to your excellent collection!!
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A Nice Find. Is the Engine available ?

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Seems a nice find. No engine or Carburettor to give a clue? It doesnt seem too old, may be early 70's? One more to your excellent collection!!
Happy restoration!

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Yes!! Engine is there, as usual in a basket, dismantled though
Old or New, note that front fork buddy, interesting Suspension geometry
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The Engine is a " VICTORIA", carb is Bing...
Have to dig out the details & history of this machine.
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Hmm... Bing + Victoria. Did that happen. Would be a Victoria.

Is the tank an original on that frame.

I have seen this particular moped or a similar one, now cant recall the name.

Is that the logo on the frame a close up of that would help us to id it better.

Oh and a nice find.

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As usual a rare gem goes to a rarest gem

Congratulations Sir, i am sure she will be sparkling pretty soon under your shed
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Oh, it's a Victoria alright! Victoria Type something, like, maybe a Type 136 or a 139...
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Hmm... Bing + Victoria. Did that happen. Would be a Victoria.

Is the tank an original on that frame.

I have seen this particular moped or a similar one, now cant recall the name.

Is that the logo on the frame a close up of that would help us to id it better.

Oh and a nice find.
Here you go friend... Logo..is "V3"
come ON..recall buddy recall ..need info
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It's possibly a 1964 or later Victoria Spoetnik
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It's possibly a 1964 or later Victoria Spoetnik
Thanks for guessing buddy, see just saw the GREEN REFLECTOR sticker ,on the fuel tank panel had the shades of the script " CROWN" or " GROWN" or "CROWN"....this might be due to the brass badges, which would have been there , restricting the UV rays.....hence the dark green shade....of those 5 letters......
Just try in this angle buddy...
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This is a Rap Crown 1965 made by STOKVIS DELFT, HOLLAND! That was much before rap music became pop. Also to the east we had the Toyota Crown!!
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Here is another interesting link for Rap mopeds.A rare 1952 model is featured here. The Rap logo is also seen:
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The Victoria moped range (a few of the many they made)
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I surfed many sites to locate the make and model year of this unusual moped.Had a look at the many mopeds made by Victoria. I could learn that our Vicky was a 1959 Victoria model that was made in a factory near Gwalior (located on the Bhopal -Delhi main railway line).They made Vickys and Vickys here from 1965 till 1972 or so.Around 1970 or so, they introduced a 100 cc bike called Saund 100. I did not come across any pictures of this bike (oldest 100cc in India perhaps) on the Victoria related websites. Moreover as the parent company in Germany became defunct in 1966, the chances are less that the Saund 100 would have been a Victoria design.The Saund 100 did not sell too well and was withdrawn a year or two after it was introduced.
Incidentally Victoria was established as a cycle manufacturing company in 1901.

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The Crown motif on the tank sealed it then.

I forwarded your pictures to a friend who I thought had a similar bike. Below is his note. Its a sad one, though.

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Baba, I sold it for scrap last year.

Yeah it is the same bike, you wanted it?

Bike in pictures is your bike?
PS: Baba is used instead of brother in Goa.
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This is a Rap Crown 1965 made by STOKVIS DELFT, HOLLAND! That was much before rap music became pop. Also to the east we had the Toyota Crown!!
Attachment 533633
(picture mopedarmy.com)
Here is another interesting link for Rap mopeds.A rare 1952 model is featured here. The Rap logo is also seen:
Rap : 1952 | Cartype
The Victoria moped range (a few of the many they made)
Attachment 533634

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(pictures 2-5 Google pictures)
I surfed many sites to locate the make and model year of this unusual moped.Had a look at the many mopeds made by Victoria. I could learn that our Vicky was a 1959 Victoria model that was made in a factory near Gwalior (located on the Bhopal -Delhi main railway line).They made Vickys and Vickys here from 1965 till 1972 or so.Around 1970 or so, they introduced a 100 cc bike called Saund 100. I did not come across any pictures of this bike (oldest 100cc in India perhaps) on the Victoria related websites. Moreover as the parent company in Germany became defunct in 1966, the chances are less that the Saund 100 would have been a Victoria design.The Saund 100 did not sell too well and was withdrawn a year or two after it was introduced.
Incidentally Victoria was established as a cycle manufacturing company in 1901.
My heart felt thanks Anjan brother!!
* No other go, 'am leaving to the place I picked the bike, as he showed a Victoria engine & still some other dismantled engines are with him, so let me go there and dig the appropriate engine for this bike.
The letters in the paper are almost not visible....it is a Pondy re-registered bike.
Will try to get some B/W photos of the bike it self if possible .
** Don't you remember I have a Gawalior made V2 Vicky bike, which you are talking about ( there is a separate thread on this @ our forum..where you can see my bike , yet to be restored though!!
*** You have posted the famous Vicky Moped ( 2speed), which is also there with me, yet to be restored ( came with this RAP CROWN just few weeks from now)


Guys, just ignore that extra light on the steering
How s that !!!
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Waoo !! Nice Vicky there.. Even I am in the process of Acquiring one.. Lets see..
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Whats the story behind this? Have you acquired it or just restoring for someone?
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Old or New, note that front fork buddy, interesting Suspension geometry
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I think the same style fork was used in the original Rajdoot 175 (doodhwala motorcycle) that were sold only in black. I think it was called Earl's fork or something like that.
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