Rolls Royce's in India

[travancore]

Originally Posted by Julian UK

Barker PIII
Attachment 11928
Ancient Flying Lady magazine

Cool picture / advertisement, Julian. This is Chassis # 3BU134

[travancore]

Originally Posted by Julian UK

Here's a little picture from an old Rolls-Royce sales advertisement:
Attachment 11926

Julian, I believe this is the same car posted earlier by DKG and also shown in "Automobiles of the Maharajas" (bodied by an American coachbuilder / Brewster ???)

[karlosdeville]

Another Bahwalpur car, courtesy Pakwheels.com

[karlosdeville]

Amidst all this talk of the Nizam's Rollers, an interesting anecdote.

I was fortunate enough to visit a most impressive collection of classics during my last Hyderabad visit, and the owner had this most interesting story of this untouched virgin Dodge Kingsway of the Nizam (still in original paint!). The Nizam was now accustomed to using "lesser" cars, but old habits die hard. He was so used to seeing the Rolls Royce clock in his cars, he had one retrofitted in the dash of this one

Unfortunately I never noticed it when I saw the cars, so didnt get a dedicated shot. Its still visible in the centre of the dash.

[DKG]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

Amidst all this talk of the Nizam's Rollers, an interesting anecdote.

I was fortunate enough to visit a most impressive collection of classics during my last Hyderabad visit, and the owner had this most interesting story of this untouched virgin Dodge Kingsway of the Nizam (still in original paint!). The Nizam was now accustomed to using "lesser" cars, but old habits die hard. He was so used to seeing the Rolls Royce clock in his cars, he had one retrofitted in the dash of this one

Unfortunately I never noticed it when I saw the cars, so didnt get a dedicated shot. Its still visible in the centre of the dash.

Very true Karlos. Osman Ali Khan used this very car. He also used a Ford still with his grandson to just visit a mosque on Fridays. By the way you would have seen a massive 50's Caddy too in that collection. That was Azamjah's (present Nizam's father, Osman Ali Khan's son)

PS: Several such Dodges were ordered at the same time for use by other members of the family

[Julian UK]

This must be the most elegant and graceful Dodge ever, due to the presence of a clock from a Rolls-Royce?

[travancore]

Here is another "Indian" Rolls Royce
1932 RR Phantom II Continental by Hooper (Chassis # 114MS). Original owner Mrs. E.C. Wilkin of Bangalore
source: conceptcarz.com







Car was shown at the 2007 Pebble Beach Motoring Classic, so obviously is one that "escaped" our shores!

[DKG]

Originally Posted by travancore

Here is another "Indian" Rolls Royce
1932 RR Phantom II Continental by Hooper

Handsome car. Of the 261 Continentals made how many came to India? The other two we know are the Jodhpur car and the Bombay Gurney Nutting coupe

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by DKG

By the way you would have seen a massive 50's Caddy too in that collection. That was Azamjah's (present Nizam's father, Osman Ali Khan's son)

I assume you talk of the black car regd APY 3831 (or thereabouts)? Quite imposing!

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/318033-post3.html

[DKG]

Originally Posted by karlosdeville

I assume you talk of the black car regd APY 3831 (or thereabouts)? Quite imposing!

Its obviously a 50's car not sure about the correct year

[Stanher]

Originally Posted by DKG

Handsome car. Of the 261 Continentals made how many came to India?

And -excuse the pessimism!- how many eventually went out of India? :(

[Stanher]

Originally Posted by DKG

Its obviously a 50's car not sure about the correct year

Attachment 12534

I guess its a '54 caddy:

1954 cadillac - Google Image Search

[travancore]

Originally Posted by DKG

Handsome car. Of the 261 Continentals made how many came to India? The other two we know are the Jodhpur car and the Bombay Gurney Nutting coupe

Here is what I know of RR PII Continentals with an "India" connection. All listings of Chassis#'s / owners are from "The RR Phantom II Continental" by Raymond Gentile.

Pictures are included where I have them (some are from our own T-BHP!)

Year / Chassis #; Body/ First & Subsequent Owner(s):
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1931 / 52-GX; Barker Saloon / Earl of Kintore / Munjee Nathoobnoy, Bombay
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1932 / 72-JS; Thrupp & Maberly FHC / Prince Aly Khan
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1932 / 2-MS; Windovers Saloon / Prince of Nepal / Robert Mayerhof, California


Raymond Gentile identifies this car as "Windovers" - contemporary websites as "Figoni-Falaschi". Truth or Dare ???

Couple of differences: Picture in the Gentile book has scuttle / cowl mounted wipers - above picture is roof header mounted

Lucas vs "American" type headlamps

Bullet vs stylized running lamps on wings

The bodywork in the two sources look amazingly "unique" and similar!
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1932 / 114-MS; Hooper Saloon Limousine / Mrs. E.C. Wilkin, Bangalore / Monroe Mann, New York


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1933 / 116-MY; Park Ward Saloon / Prince Aly Khan / Ernest Stern, U.S.A.
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1933 / 41-MW; Park Ward Touring Saloon / Prince Aly Khan / Sam Girdler, U.S.A.
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1934 / 180-PY; Barker Saloon Limousine / Maharaja of Bahawalpur / TBD - Still there ???
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1934 / 15-RY; Binder (Paris) Sportsman's Coupe / Maharaja of Jodhpur / John Zurlo, U.S.A. - "Bundi" Car from show "Bring 'Em Back Alive"

Thanks to Team-BHP
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1934 / 101-SK; Barker Touring Saloon / N.R. Chandler, Bombay / W.J. Oldham, Channel Islands
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1935 / 62-UK; Gurney-Nutting Streamline Coupe / Maharaja of Jodhpur / H.H. Jetha, Bombay - now Amir Ali Jetha (?)

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Which brings us to the all important question....is this Jodhpur car a Continental ??? I cannot find it listed in the Gentile book!
Hint DKG or other experts ....can you get the Chassis # confirmed ?

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Maybe only the Bahawalpur and 1 (or) 2 Jodhpur Continentals grace our shores anymore!!!!

[DKG]

Originally Posted by travancore

Here is what I know of RR PII Continentals with an "India" connection.

Thanks for listing the details here. Wow that's quite a few Continentals. The Jodhpur Windover coupe is a Continental. I have a picture of the chassis number somewhere will fish it out and post. I vaguely recall it to be 63 GX (?)

PS I stand corrected there were 281 Continentals produced

[karlosdeville]

Originally Posted by DKG

PS I stand corrected there were 281 Continentals produced

The last of which I believe is the Gurney Nutting Jetha car.