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Old 28th August 2009, 17:49   #211
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About this being a 680, well it not. Period.
Would help if you could elaborate

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The only point which disturbs is the mention of
HUBRAUM 6740 LEISTUNG PS 100/180
You realise what you are implying on questioning this?

BTW doesn't the New Zealand car look like an SSK?

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Would help if you could elaborate



You realise what you are implying on questioning this?

BTW doesn't the New Zealand car look like an SSK?

Well if there are more facts then it should not be period.The New Zealand car seems like a SSK!

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Old 30th August 2009, 13:45   #213
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Hope these details are of any help in proving the existence of a 680K. Nowhere related to the Indian context though.

1927 Mercedes 680K Supercharged in Delhi....-1.jpg

1927 Mercedes 680K Supercharged in Delhi....-2.jpg

1927 Mercedes 680K Supercharged in Delhi....-3.jpg
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Hope these details are of any help in proving the existence of a 680K. Nowhere related to the Indian context though.
Nice article. However we never said that 680K's did not exist. Only there is none in India. The engine number of the India car never matched up.

BTW, SAT, please PM me your email. I have a pic to send.

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As i had said i would upload the pics of this car when it came to my father so here are some pics which i found.
When i asked my father about this car and told him abou this forum he said that this car is not a 680K so i guess then since others are also saying it is not a 680K then.
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1927 Mercedes 680K Supercharged in Delhi....-upf-105-1.jpg  

1927 Mercedes 680K Supercharged in Delhi....-upf-1052.jpg  


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Greeting everybody this is my first attempt in being a part of one of the most seeked after forum on the Web. My good wishes & congratulations to you all on the wonderful information that becomes available just at a touch of the finger. In my next attempt I would want to share some of the very rare photographs of the legendry 680-K engine detailing of the Bi-metallic Pistons, Hollow Con-rods etc. This technonolgy was thought in the early years of the development of auto- engineering this car is a 1927 year of manufacture !
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Some very rare photos of the inside of a 680-K

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WOW!!!!!!!!!!! guy's the Austin Healey is stunning, as other cars. This is the second Healey I have seen in such a pristine condition, the other one is in Jaipur.
Yes this is the same Austin Healey 3000 that came from Cal & is now in Jaipur with a very enthuastic collector there

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Dear all - I am very fortunate to have known Mr.Ravikant Dhawan (Tutu is his pet name) from the good old Himalayan Rally days. A thorough gentleman and one very very very fast driver with amazing car control, an absolute delight to observe. Whenever anybody from Delhi talks to me about where he could find the best in car care / restoration, only two names come to mind, one of which is Mr.Dhawan. Hello Tutu, welcome to Team BHP. Let the forum benefit from your vast experience.

Best regards,

Behram Dhabhar
Hi Behram,

Nice to catch you here as well, many thanks for your comments, Yes Himalayan Rally days were great fun now we can only talk about them, cheers & see you soon.

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Welcome Sir. It is good to have you on Team Bhp. I am sure a lot of us will benefit from your vast experience. Regards.

Hi Shiva,

Glad to see you here, will try & add value to our meetings here, cheers & kind regards----------tutu
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Tutu sir
Glad to have you here and sharing your knowledge.I didn't even know hollow con rods existed!
I first heard about you though the ads about your garage which used appeared in Auto India Magazine. Will learn a lot form you Sir.

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Here are some pics o this car under restoration I guess, is this the same car ?
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So what is the final take on this car ? Is it a 680K or a 630 K ?
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So what is the final take on this car ? Is it a 680K or a 630 K ?
Its not clear what it is

The car is clearly a 630 K. The badge shows engine output which is not what a standard 630 gave out. This one has 100 hp non blown and 180 blown I think.

My hunch and I could be wrong, this car is a 630 K with a supercharger which develops more horsepower. Maybe the original customer asked the factory to up the power. The people who worked on the car claim the bore measures up to a 680 engine. Now whether this was done at the factory no records seem to substantiate. A lot of these cars were raced so the mods could have been done later too and a badge fixed? Don't know enough to say conlcusively.

BTW there is no such thing as a 680K from Mercedes. The 6.8 litre engine surfaced on the S which was a totally different animal with dual carbs, lowered chassis, engine set further back in the chassis etc
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Its not clear what it is

The car is clearly a 630 K. The badge shows engine output which is not what a standard 630 gave out. This one has 100 hp non blown and 180 blown I think.

My hunch and I could be wrong, this car is a 630 K with a supercharger which develops more horsepower. Maybe the original customer asked the factory to up the power. The people who worked on the car claim the bore measures up to a 680 engine. Now whether this was done at the factory no records seem to substantiate. A lot of these cars were raced so the mods could have been done later too and a badge fixed? Don't know enough to say conlcusively.

BTW there is no such thing as a 680K from Mercedes. The 6.8 litre engine surfaced on the S which was a totally different animal with dual carbs, lowered chassis, engine set further back in the chassis etc
So are their any records of this car being raced either in india or abroad that such a mod could have been made to increase the power output ? That could help solving the mystry..
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Old 31st August 2010, 09:19   #223
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So are their any records of this car being raced either in india or abroad that such a mod could have been made to increase the power output ? That could help solving the mystery

I can assure you the car was never raced in India. This was told to me by the 1st owners wife, late rajmata Bhinga, wonderful lady with a super sense of humour, the car then went to her brother the late Rajadhiraj of Shahpura in the early 50's. Shahpura was keen on motor racing, he did visit UK several times in the 30's. Drove ERA's and brm, a few hill climbs, the family still have a wonderful collection of books & 16mm b&w film from that era.

I have seen a letter from mercedes benz, Germany, which the current owner should have, written in the early 80's which clearly said that the car was manufactured in 1928.

I am sure its a Model K chassis with a S block engine, with a slightly narrower bore, 6740cc instead of the standard S engine capacity of 6789cc
single carb instead of two.

I wonder why mercedes mated a slightly toned down version (single carb & slightly narrower bore) of the S engine on a model K chassis. Perhaps this was a cheaper than the 1928 S.

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A few years ago the story circulating was that Mercedes Benz did not have the records of this series, so they could not confirm the history.
harit,

this is true, in a letter from the early 80's, Mercedes Benz did mention that records were destroyed during the war. I think we have the Lancaster B 1 bombers to blame ...

I need to find the negative roll, I did take several photos, remember taking a photograph of the plate/label with engine, chassis nos etc. The small metal plate on left side near the large mounting lug of the engine. They should be easy to spot when you are looking at the left side of the engine.

MERCEDES
DAIMLER MOTOREN GESSELLSCHAFT
NO 68617

Below the dash on the board which separates the engine bay & dash board.

DAIMLER BENZ AKTIENGESSELLESCHAFT
WERKUNTERDRAHEIM

MOTOR NO 68617 BEST NO MOT. 1391
WAGEN NO 35445 BEST NO WAG 1392
COM. NO. 41346 WAG-GEW NO.
HUBRAUM 6740 LEISTUNG PS 100/180
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The ex-Denis Conan Doyle/ Edward Mayer 1928 Mercedes-Benz Typ S 36/220 Sports Tourer chassis & engine nos are...

Engine no. 71807
Chassis no. 35951
Kommissions no. 40729

http://www.kidston.com/pdfs/83.pdf
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1928 MERCEDES-BENZ 26/120/180 TYP S TORPEDO ROADSTER - COACHWORK BY SAOUTCHIK
Commission No. 40156
Engine No. 72151
Cheers
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If COM No, Kommissions no, Commission No all mean the order no. Do note that the 1928 Model K was ordered much after the
Edward Mayer 1928 Mercedes-Benz Typ S 36/220 Sports Tourer and the
1928 MERCEDES-BENZ 26/120/180 TYP S TORPEDO ROADSTER - COACHWORK BY SAOUTCHIK but with a older engine.

com no 41346, engine no 68617 - 1928 Model K
Kommissions no 40729, engine no 71807 - Edward Mayer 1928 Mercedes-Benz Typ S 36/220.
Commission No 40156, engine no 72151 - 1928 MERCEDES-BENZ 26/120/180 TYP S, BY SAOUTCHIK


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I need to find the negative roll, I did take several photos, remember taking a photograph of the plate/label with engine, chassis nos etc. The small metal plate on left side near the large mounting lug of the engine. They should be easy to spot when you are looking at the left side of the engine.

MERCEDES
DAIMLER MOTOREN GESSELLSCHAFT
NO 68617

Below the dash on the board which separates the engine bay & dash board.

DAIMLER BENZ AKTIENGESSELLESCHAFT
WERKUNTERDRAHEIM

MOTOR NO 68617 BEST NO MOT. 1391
WAGEN NO 35445 BEST NO WAG 1392
COM. NO. 41346 WAG-GEW NO.
HUBRAUM 6740 LEISTUNG PS 100/180
----------
The ex-Denis Conan Doyle/ Edward Mayer 1928 Mercedes-Benz Typ S 36/220 Sports Tourer chassis & engine nos are...

Engine no. 71807
Chassis no. 35951
Kommissions no. 40729

http://www.kidston.com/pdfs/83.pdf
--------
1928 MERCEDES-BENZ 26/120/180 TYP S TORPEDO ROADSTER - COACHWORK BY SAOUTCHIK
Commission No. 40156
Engine No. 72151
Cheers
-----------

If COM No, Kommissions no, Commission No all mean the order no. Do note that the 1928 Model K was ordered much after the
Edward Mayer 1928 Mercedes-Benz Typ S 36/220 Sports Tourer and the
1928 MERCEDES-BENZ 26/120/180 TYP S TORPEDO ROADSTER - COACHWORK BY SAOUTCHIK but with a older engine.

com no 41346, engine no 68617 - 1928 Model K
Kommissions no 40729, engine no 71807 - Edward Mayer 1928 Mercedes-Benz Typ S 36/220.
Commission No 40156, engine no 72151 - 1928 MERCEDES-BENZ 26/120/180 TYP S, BY SAOUTCHIK


Hope this helps..

It is surely a very vital piece of information on this car. Now , since the present owner is very well known by a number of members of team-bhp why doesn't someone volunteer to try and get out the information from him. If a few photographs of the plates are also provided, then that is even more better since there will be no scope of error then. This can be only done if the owner is willing to share this with us.
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Why don't you talk to the owner as you live in the same general area
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