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Old 6th October 2009, 12:50   #421
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I was to say the same thing. Another possibility is that the bell was added later, after restoration, to increase its "Maharaja provenance".
Its there in the period photo too Karlos so it looks like a accessory from start. Unless as you say the car was restored once in blue when this (b&W picture) and the earlier picture (in colour) were taken, with the accessory added. The colour picture looks fairly new doesn't it?



One other explanation is this car went out of India in that fabulous condition, and the new number plates just added ! What are the chances the car was in such a great condition when the colour picture was taken? The above could be an older picture?

Something just cropped up in my mind. The bells on the Bharatpur cars were stated to be added so cattle on the road are not overly alarmed by the sound of a horn. BUT look at this car which clearly was used for hunts. Now a bell would be recognised by a tiger as cattle nearby and be drawn to it, interesting. So was this bell a ploy to draw tigers to the car?

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Something just cropped up in my mind. The bells on the Bharatpur cars were stated to be added so cattle on the road are not overly alarmed by the sound of a horn. BUT look at this car which clearly was used for hunts. Now a bell would be recognised by a tiger as cattle nearby and be drawn to it, interesting. So was this bell a ploy to draw tigers to the car?
If anything I should think the bell would shoo the animal away.
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If anything I should think the bell would shoo the animal away.
Cattle was always used as bait and animals would identify cattle easily from the sound of bells. Its an age old trick to draw tigers in, tying up cattle by a machaan. Invariably the sounds of cattle (I should think bells included) made tigers drool

All these old cars would have been whisper quiet and with leaf spring suspension quite tractable on jungle trails. On a big 8 or 6 in first gear the car would hardly make any noise in the jungle except for the tinkling of a bell

Infact even to this day, cattle on the move is easily identifiable by the sound of bells

When you visit Bharatpur or Alwar and see the pathetic state these Maharajahs left their states in you wonder if they ever were such benevolent rulers caring about their subjects so much as to even be botheed not to disturb cattle on the road with electric horns !

All they ever cared for is to party in Europe, build huge palaces and hunt to their heart's content. Bells and tigers? makes more sense to me

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Hi Harit:
Can any pictures in the book help decide if the two cars in post # 372 (one Khairpur anf the other supposedly Kashmir) are the same car or not ?

The second (colour) photo in that post has the scuttle mounted spot lamp just behind the bonnet hinge line - hence may indeed be the Kashmir car.

Interesting that the Khairpur car also first went "Down Under" from Bombay!
Travancore, you are a sleuth. How do you guys find all this stuff on the net?
I would suspect that these are the same cars, though there are differences. The Kashmir car is claimed a 1930, the Khaipur car a 1932. Kashmir car had 11000 miles on the clock, the Khaipur car 32000. The Kashmir car, according to the book, was bought by an American who took her to NY. This car was sitting on blocks in India. The owner in 1981 when the book was published was Mr. Geoffrey Davis. But car was restored in UK.
In the end, I feel that there were indeed 2 cars in India. Hard luck both left India for Australia, now where are they?

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Cattle was always used as bait and animals would identify cattle easily from the sound of bells. Its an age old trick to draw tigers in, tying up cattle by a machaan.
I thought goats made bate for drawing big cats, that their cries drew the game. Noise, bright colored clothes and perfume give it away.
Wouldn't the lights used for spotting game be called a Spot light/Search light and be powered by a separate battery?
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Travancore, you are a sleuth. How do you guys find all this stuff on the net?
I would suspect that these are the same cars, though there are differences. The Kashmir car is claimed a 1930, the Khaipur car a 1932. Kashmir car had 11000 miles on the clock, the Khaipur car 32000. The Kashmir car, according to the book, was bought by an American who took her to NY. This car was sitting on blocks in India. The owner in 1981 when the book was published was Mr. Geoffrey Davis. But car was restored in UK.
In the end, I feel that there were indeed 2 cars in India. Hard luck both left India for Australia, now where are they?

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Thanks Harit.
Other than the mileage differences (and good mechanical condition vs sitting on blocks), I am starting to think they are the same car. May have gone from Kashmir to Khairpur or vice versa at some point.

The history of the "Khairpur" car goes as follows:

1. Bought by James Harwood (for Mr. Jurist of New York)
2. Car shipped from Bombay to Australia (Freemantle) and on to New York
3. Car bought, imported to U.K (Peterborough) and reconditioned by Colin Crabbe
4. Resold / On-sold to a doctor in Australia .

Too many similarities with the history you have quoted for the "Kashmir" car!
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I thought goats made bate for drawing big cats, that their cries drew the game. Noise, bright colored clothes and perfume give it away.
Wouldn't the lights used for spotting game be called a Spot light/Search light and be powered by a separate battery?

They might have been used for that game but don't think they would have a different battry because many cars have the spot light on one side called as the shikar light and are generally conected to the same battery.Apart from that how would they charge two batteries in the same car?Have two differnt or one dynamo charging well i don't think that's possible.
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Apart from that how would they charge two batteries in the same car?
Powered by a separate charged battery.

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Then at a certain point wouldn't the light become dimmer and the horn become softer?
Not always are the people hunting sitting in the car. They do have to get off and walk around searching for eyes. What then?

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Powered by a separate charged battery.

Well agreed but the thing is would they take the trouble to just charge another battery for just a light or two and a horn.Then at a certain point wouldn't the light become dimmer and the horn become softer?Then what would they do?
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Attached please find an article on a Maharajas Crossley. Only this Maharaja was not in India, he was in Nepal. Magnificient beast. Nepal had a few cars which were literally hauled up the mountains and there they really had limited road space. This article appeared in the Classic and Sportscar magazine July 1992.
Crossleys were popular with royalty, Bhawalpur had one, there is one still in Gujrat, one in Mumbai but there must be more.
This magazine has come from a fellow bhpian

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Here is a Mercedes coming DOWN the mountains (carried by 60 coolies) from Nepal to Calcutta. Picture may have been on TBHP before!
(courtesy: National Geographic)
How rich were the Maharajas before Independence! Cars of the Maharajas-mercedes-nepal-medium.jpg

p.s: The Crossley was also a car favored by officers of the Empire!

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Here is a Mercedes coming DOWN the mountains (carried by 60 coolies) from Nepal to Calcutta. Picture may have been on TBHP before!
(courtesy: National Geographic)
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p.s: The Crossley was also a favored car by officers of the Empire!

Wow that is a nice way to make sure the car does not roll off by taking off the wheels.
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Thats such an amazing picture. When is it dated to?
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Here is a Mercedes coming DOWN the mountains (carried by 60 coolies) from Nepal to Calcutta. Picture may have been on TBHP before!
(courtesy: National Geographic)
I doubt this has been posted before, but what a super image. Would it have originally been a colour image? And does this car have any royal connections?
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It was not uncommon for a manufacturer to offer special generators as accessories. The parts catalogue of a 30's Chevy lists such generators as options, for use either in police cars (with additional current requirement) or light trucks offered with the same mechanicals. I'm sure requests by Indian customers who had hunting lamps for their requirement were handled with more powerful generators and multiple battery steups (24volt)

What a gorgeous picture of the car being hauled down

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Here is a Mercedes coming DOWN the mountains (carried by 60 coolies) from Nepal to Calcutta. Picture may have been on TBHP before!
(courtesy: National Geographic)
That is a lovely picture. Wow! I have not seen this before.

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Wow that is a nice way to make sure the car does not roll off by taking off the wheels.
And they also emptied the petrol tank so that the engine does not start..
But seriously, wheels were removed to lighten the load. Probably petrol tank would also be empty for the same reason.

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