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Old 29th August 2012, 10:25   #766
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LOL....how did you move all the people ??? So its not a Buick then ?
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Here is a different version of Wasif's Kohlapur picture - maybe someone can now positively identify:
It's a Buick. This is not early but a mid 20smodel
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Another day of hunting, alas the tigers did not show up on time......

Gharial or crocodile, I do not know.

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Another day of hunting, alas the tigers did not show up on time......

Gharial or crocodile, I do not know.
Is that a wolseley ? Experts
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Is that a wolseley ? Experts
Am no expert, but a De Dion-Bouton maybe? The design displays French quirkiness, bordering on Italian flair...
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Another day of hunting, alas the tigers did not show up on time......

Gharial or crocodile, I do not know.

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Found this on the net could be a 1906 Darracq 12Hp , here is the link
http://nizamat.blogspot.in/2010/03/n...-asaf-jah.html
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Stills from an old video of princely India, can the cars be identified? Especially the ones in Picture #1.
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It is legend that Bahawalpur had two Cadillac V-16's .

One is BWP -133 that we have seen pictures of on this site:

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This is the Lancefield / Van den Plas car
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A V-16 currently seems to be under restoration. Not sure if this is the "other twin" or BWP-133. Seems to have the same Lancefield features, including the retractable steps.

Note one Grebel and one non-standard headlamp.

And what happened to those beautiful treads on the tyres (car still seems to have only 8000+ miles)

photo courtesy A. Ahmad / Flickr:

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Also a couple of videos of the above car being started.





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The second V16 indeed is a legend or most likely a phantom car ! No pics have ever surfaced of it so far.

Maybe Mohsin Ekram can confirm if there really were two or only one !
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Do you feel there were two?
In 2008 Mohsin wrote.

Hi Nigel!
No, the nawab only owned one V16. The pictures that you have attached are of the same car....
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Great Travancore. Love the videos. Notice the portholes in the garage where the car was started. Kinda cool. One of our members Shyml who has a 1930 Packard 740, should be able to throw more light on this car as he's mentioned somewhere that he's in the process of recommissioning a 1930 452 V-16 for a friend which was last started in the 60's. I'm now certain it's this car 133. Maybe the old tyres got hard, I've seen it happen in 15 or 20 years on a rim. But no idea why such worn tyres on the car. Maybe they found some second hand tyres for the moment. Clock has been removed.

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It is legend that Bahawalpur had two Cadillac V-16's .

One is BWP -133 that we have seen pictures of on this site:
This is the Lancefield / Van den Plas car
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A V-16 currently seems to be under restoration. Not sure if this is the "other twin" or BWP-133.
And what happened to those beautiful treads on the tyres


Also a couple of videos of the above car being started.
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The second V16 indeed is a legend or most likely a phantom car ! No pics have ever surfaced of it so far.

Maybe Mohsin Ekram can confirm if there really were two or only one !
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As close family friends of Sh Mukhtar's family, I have some knowledge of their cars.
1930 Cadillac V-16 with first ever body by Farina
The car in the radio show would have to be the V-16 cadillac as the Duesenberg left India quite early on.
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It is legend that Bahawalpur had two Cadillac V-16's .

One is BWP -133 that we have seen pictures of on this site:

This is the Lancefield / Van den Plas car
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A V-16 currently seems to be under restoration. Not sure if this is the "other twin" or BWP-133. Seems to have the same Lancefield features, including the retractable steps.

Note one Grebel and one non-standard headlamp.

And what happened to those beautiful treads on the tyres (car still seems to have only 8000+ miles)

photo courtesy A. Ahmad / Flickr:

Also a couple of videos of the above car being started.
Thank you . I would say ty ought have replaced the tyres for safety and trial issues. The lights seem to have been changed also. The original ones must have been kept aside safely. I would suggest to write to the Pakistan club for more details . Lovely Videos and thanks for sharing .

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Okay so we snooped around yesterday and today and we found out that the car is in Lahore. Probably sold about 6 months ago. Also found a video of a new channel which covered Bahawalpur and in it saw two pics of the Amir posing in front of this car. It didn't have the headlamps. These seem recent pics.
Travancore I feel that maybe there is a way to extract these pics from the news video.
I also heard the glass winder was restored in Karachi three days ago. By the by this is the BWP 133. Only one V 16 there.

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Here is a period picture of a Bharatpur Silver Wraith.

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I assume it chassis # WCB-40, now DHD 9211. Am I right?

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Some cars from the Kotah palace are seen in this programme, including a Mercedes Ponton and a seemingly very original Buick Tourer.

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Here is a period picture of a Bharatpur Silver Wraith.

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I assume it chassis # WCB-40, now DHD 9211. Am I right?

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It is WCB-40 - ex- Mysore / Bharatpur as far as I know. Did it go to Karauli as well ?
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