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Old 8th November 2014, 07:14   #931
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Dear Nawab Sahib,

Can't thank you enough for the wonderful pieces of history you have shared with us.

I assume three of the cars (39MC, 41LK, and 82RM) were sent to Barker for rebodying.

The exception is 70TM which just seems to have been repainted.

45WR must have been rebodied at a different time.
Here is how those magnificent cars would have looked fresh from their rebody / repaint by Barker in 1932.

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Left to Right: SG Chassis 82RM (Rebody); SG Chassis 70TM (Repaint); PI Chassis 39MC (Rebody)

82RM also sports ribbed wheel discs.

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Old 12th November 2014, 09:37   #932
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Hi,

I was forwarded some old pictures in the form of a video. I found two cars in the lot. I have seen the second picture here before, if the first is a repeat too, kindly excuse.

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The Britisher and American businessmen have indeed been very very smart...


Keeping the Royal Maharajas busy in buying all expensive Cars,artifacts made in Europe and US to propel and prosper their Industries, siphon money back to Britain and Europe

Any conservative estimate of Phofitability in selling of these cars ? more than 300-400% ???


I am told more than 40 % of global premium market in pre-independence happened to be our then luxury indulging Maharajahs...

and more important primarily keeping the Maharajas busy in oneupmanship between each other, be that cars, indulgence in luxuries or game of Polo and Cricket...

so that they would feel always euphoric being close with Gori chamdi and remain distracted from revolting against the British Rulers....

Truly, I feel Britishers have been the masters in the field of Psychology ... no wonder they ruled across the world with so few of them in number... making the world dance to their tunes... and making the world puppetting to think their way...

Does that attitude still exist in the deeply rooted DNA of consumers and business world too even today...??? I wonder...
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The Britisher and American businessmen have indeed been very very smart...


Keeping the Royal Maharajas busy in buying all expensive Cars,artifacts made in Europe and US to propel and prosper their Industries, siphon money back to Britain and Europe

Any conservative estimate of Phofitability in selling of these cars ? more than 300-400% ???


I am told more than 40 % of global premium market in pre-independence happened to be our then luxury indulging Maharajahs...

and more important primarily keeping the Maharajas busy in oneupmanship between each other, be that cars, indulgence in luxuries or game of Polo and Cricket...

so that they would feel always euphoric being close with Gori chamdi and remain distracted from revolting against the British Rulers....

Truly, I feel Britishers have been the masters in the field of Psychology ... no wonder they ruled across the world with so few of them in number... making the world dance to their tunes... and making the world puppetting to think their way...

Does that attitude still exist in the deeply rooted DNA of consumers and business world too even today...??? I wonder...
Obviously you were born in independent India.

Before you run down the British, think. They gave us industry, governance, roads, railways, bridges that have still not fallen down, though never expected to cater to todays traffic, a legal framework that has stood the test of time,etc etc.

Since this forum is mainly about cars, during British rule we had a choice of cars, imported from all countries, not only England.

Post independence what happens? We are compelled to buy only Indian cars, never upgraded, just the same cars made by a handful of industrialists close to the ruling party, who ensured no other car could come in.

Were we better off with that type of rule??

Please stick to a discussion on cars rather than on British rule.
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Old 14th November 2014, 05:29   #935
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ex-Kashmir Vauxhall 30-98 OE Velox, 1926

pic courtesy of GM / Vauxhall Heritage Center

http://media.vauxhall.co.uk/media/gb...107644508.html


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I believe we have seen the same car before in polished aluminium (Alwar Hispano H6B in background)

pic courtesy of traum auto:

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And there was a 1956 Cadillac Maharani Special too....

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It would be interesting to know if General Motors sold any examples of the Maharajah or Maharani to the Indian nobility. And what was the difference between the "genders" anyway? Perhaps they followed the example of the Daimler Ladies' Model which was distinguished only by having lengthened control knobs extending from the fascia. They were generally regarded (by men) as being convenient handbag hooks!

In any event, the Cadillac was a very restrained offering compared with the vulgarity offered by Lady Docker's contemporary London Motor Show Daimlers no doubt intended for a similar market but given that this was all post Independence, they both rather missed the boat!
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It was just a matter of time, and here it is - the all new Rolls-Royce Maharaja

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...ed-391677.aspx

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Doesn't the blue inside remind you of the 'Nile Blue' we saw in some Bahwalpur and the Nandgaon car?
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I have now conclusively identified the Lancia Lambda at No. 13 in the line up previously mentioned as not in picture . i.e after the Armstrong Siddley is an unidentified car then is the Lancia Lamda with straight jutting fenders and the peculiar bumper.

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A BAHAWALPUR DAIMLER
BWP 378 (U.K. registration), a Daimler DK 400 Fixed Head Coupe by Hooper, Body No.10235, Engine No. 92716, belonging to the Nawab of Bahawalpur. It had a Perspex roof which was normally used with a canvas cover.
This car was presented to the President of Pakistan, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, in 1961, while he was a guest at the residence of the Nawab of Bahawalpur in the U.K. To the best of my knowledge the car was in the Presidency garage until 1970.
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A BAHAWALPUR DAIMLER
BWP 378 (U.K. registration), a Daimler DK 400 Fixed Head Coupe by Hooper, Body No.10235, Engine No. 92716, belonging to the Nawab of Bahawalpur. It had a Perspex roof which was normally used with a canvas cover.
This car was presented to the President of Pakistan, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, in 1961, while he was a guest at the residence of the Nawab of Bahawalpur in the U.K. To the best of my knowledge the car was in the Presidency garage until 1970.
Beautiful car! Thanks for sharing these precious Bahawalpur gems.

Shyml, any current pictures of the car ?

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A BAHAWALPUR DAIMLER
BWP 378 .
This car was presented to the President of Pakistan, Field Marshal Ayub Khan, in 1961, while he was a guest at the residence of the Nawab of Bahawalpur in the U.K. To the best of my knowledge the car was in the Presidency garage until 1970.
Eventually the car was acquired by the Junejo family in Karachi, as I wrote #2086 in the Rolls Royce thread . This is the " what are you growing in there Guvnor' tomatoes?" car. Ayub Khan replaced Sikander Mirza and the dates by Falahuddin Sahib fall in place. Will try to get a latest picture.

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A BAHAWALPUR DAIMLER
BWP 378 (U.K. registration), a Daimler DK 400 Fixed Head Coupe by Hooper, Body No.10235, Engine No. 92716, belonging to the Nawab of Bahawalpur. It had a Perspex roof which was normally used with a canvas cover.
Just noticed the pelican hood ornament - the first I have seen on a Bahawalpur car.

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Just noticed the pelican hood ornament - the first I have seen on a Bahawalpur car.

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I am just intrigued by the structural roof system on this car, what is the B pillar made of? Do we have references of similar cars elsewhere?

Heres a reference of a similar car but this one only has a part of its roof in Perspex https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14267/lot/632/

Notice the Pelikan is replaced by a Zebra

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I am just intrigued by the structural roof system on this car, what is the B pillar made of? Do we have references of similar cars elsewhere?

Heres a reference of a similar car but this one only has a part of its roof in Perspex https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/14267/lot/632/

Notice the Pelikan is replaced by a Zebra
Here are a couple of Hooper bodied RR SW and a Daimler.

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The Maharaja of Jodhpur in 1937 had a Rolls-Royce Phantom III delivered to him - chassis number 3BU102. What is interesting is that the Maharaja ordered this car through Lagonda Motors (which must have upset them, as they were by then planning to produce their own V12 model). Did the Maharaja have Lagondas? Best wishes
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