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Old 21st December 2015, 21:34   #1081
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I just noticed that the car in the photos above is not the same car or I don't think so, as if you look at the close up photo of the car in London there is a pillar showing between the doors, on the car above that pillar seems to be missing the doors seem to meet with no pillar in between.
There is absolutely no uncertainty, it is the same car. I will try to find a version of the photo that shows the pillar between the doors.
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I just noticed that the car in the photos above is not the same car or I don't think so, as if you look at the close up photo of the car in London there is a pillar showing between the doors, on the car above that pillar seems to be missing the doors seem to meet with no pillar in between.
If you look again, the pillar is clearly visible

Looks like the same car to my eyes, at least as far as the body is concerned.
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ex-India Invicta S-Type 1934

The ex-India Invicta S-Type, exported by Lars de Jounge - recently auctioned by Bonhams for $ 830,000!

So, who was the "Indian Prince" ?

courtesy and more pictures at:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22729/lot/5/

Faster789 had earlier posted photos of this car in India (BMU-7693).

Also interesting to note that the car was originally registered "GW-7575" in England - Harit had photos with those plates on PreWarCar.com and maybe on TBHP too. The car then seems to have had "Bugatti" headlamps and side mounted spares.

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ex-India Invicta S-Type 1934

The ex-India Invicta S-Type, exported by Lars de Jounge - recently auctioned by Bonhams for $ 830,000!

So, who was the "Indian Prince" ?

courtesy and more pictures at:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22729/lot/5/

Faster789 had earlier posted photos of this car in India (BMU-7693).

Also interesting to note that the car was originally registered "GW-7575" in England - Harit had photos with those plates on PreWarCar.com and maybe on TBHP too. The car then seems to have had "Bugatti" headlamps and side mounted spares.

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Great find, that's another mystery solved. Now I am not too sure about the royal connections, a previous owner's son mentioned to me that the car was imported by one Billimoria. Can't verify though.
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Great find, that's another mystery solved. Now I am not too sure about the royal connections, a previous owner's son mentioned to me that the car was imported by one Billimoria. Can't verify though.
I had thought the Billimoria car was the ex-Roni Khan car (BMW-3240). Could very well be wrong. Where is that today ?

Does anyone know the history of the Bhogilal Invicta ?

Based on the Bonhams history, the Invicta could have also been one of the earliest ex-India cars to get a gate pass to Pebble Beach.

It also mentions an anecdote about the anxious owner calling the factory to find out progress on his car. Another fable mentions that the anxious owner calling was the "Nizam". So possibly a Hyderabad / Jah connection ?
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ex-India Invicta S-Type 1934

The ex-India Invicta S-Type, exported by Lars de Jounge - recently auctioned by Bonhams for $ 830,000!

So, who was the "Indian Prince" ?

courtesy and more pictures at:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22729/lot/5/

Faster789 had earlier posted photos of this car in India (BMU-7693).

Also interesting to note that the car was originally registered "GW-7575" in England - Harit had photos with those plates on PreWarCar.com and maybe on TBHP too. The car then seems to have had "Bugatti" headlamps and side mounted spares.

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Thanks for this information . Now was there a third car 😏 would love to know ! The ones with such taste would be always a Gujju / MP prince or one from Rajasthan who had taste in speed and style . Holkar ? Nizam I do doubt but can never say. A fantastic price though

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I had thought the Billimoria car was the ex-Roni Khan car (BMW-3240). Could very well be wrong. Where is that today ?

Does anyone know the history of the Bhogilal Invicta ?

Based on the Bonhams history, the Invicta could have also been one of the earliest ex-India cars to get a gate pass to Pebble Beach.

It also mentions an anecdote about the anxious owner calling the factory to find out progress on his car. Another fable mentions that the anxious owner calling was the "Nizam". So possibly a Hyderabad / Jah connection ?
BMW Roni Khan car is today with Bhogilal, I think GRD registered. Second car is GW 7575/BMU. Don't know of any third.
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Welcome to the forum Allan! Your pictures from 1975 are invaluable - captured a wonderful moment in history for posterity.

Duncan - cant wait to see more pictures, if you have them
Have spoken about more pictures please contact me via email as they are my cousins, kind regards Duncan
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Thanks again for putting these up Tavancore, a excellent site.
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Is there more than one photo you had posted ? I only see one picture. Would also love to see a rear view, if you have one.

The car also seems to sport Grebel headlamps and winglamps and a black steering wheel in this photo.

I am told the car survives in Belgium. Cheers
Sorry no rear photo though, I also have relatives in Belgium, thank you again for your excellent site, I will speak to Titi and see if she has any.
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There were two Patiala cars from the Frederiksen collection auctioned by Bonham's last Sep, a Maybach and a Rolls

Are there any further pictures and details available on these cars ?
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There were two Patiala cars from the Frederiksen collection auctioned by Bonham's last Sep, a Maybach and a Rolls

Are there any further pictures and details available on these cars ?

The Maybach Zeppelin is a rebody of the Patiala Tourenwagen (transformable state limousine). The original body, I believe is kept the Maybach Museum.

The Silver Ghost is chassis 2517.

More info on both cars below:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23234/lot/48/

http://www.thiesen-automobile.com/en...230.html?f=new


https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23234/lot/9/

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The Maybach Zeppelin is a rebody of the Patiala Tourenwagen (transformable state limousine). The original body, I believe is kept the Maybach Museum.

The Silver Ghost is chassis 2517.

More info on both cars below:

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23234/lot/48/

http://www.thiesen-automobile.com/en...230.html?f=new


https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23234/lot/9/
Any pictures of the Maybach wearing its original body in India ?
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Any pictures of the Maybach wearing its original body in India ?
Here you go, Wasif

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http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/pre-wa...ml#post3807238 (How rich were the Maharajas before Independence! Cars of the Maharajas)

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