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Old 4th March 2008, 06:46   #16
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A few more miscellaneous photos of cars in Delhi or Rajasthan:
One more shot of the Delauney Belleville 40/50 6 cylinder. (Ex Darbhunga Now safe in Delhi.

In the truck section, a Cadillac V8 1929/1930 whatever so many models at that time. Safe in Delhi.


Another couple of photos of the 20s Lanchester 40/50hp procession car in Rajasthan:


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Default 1910 Brooke Swan car

A Miscellaneous car who knows where now, but it came to India:


THE 1910 Brooke Swan Car was the brainchild of a wealthy British engineer, Robert Nicholl "Scotty" Matthewson, who lived at Swan Park, Calcutta, then the capital of British India. In 1909, Matthewson travelled to England to commission a truly eccentric motor car from the Brooke company of Lowestoft, Suffolk. Its wooden body was apparently built by Savage of Kings Lynn, Britain's most famous maker of steam-powered fairground rides. The swan's head and body, carved to create the effect of feathers, concealed the radiator and bonnet.
Matthewson's car arrived in Calcutta in April 1910. It had amber eyes that glowed eerily in the dark, a multi-note Gabriel exhaust horn with a keyboard in the rear of the car so that Scotty could play chords and bugle calls, and a hot water spray in the swan's beak that enabled the chauffeur to clear a passage through Calcutta's crowded streets.
It was in the fashionable Maidan Park, where Calcutta's elite promenaded in their carriages and cars every afternoon, that Scotty displayed the Swan Car's most outrageous feature. A dump valve inside the car dropped splats of whitewash on to the road from the Swan's rear end - just to make it more lifelike.
The last 2 photos are of a model.
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Old 13th March 2008, 03:29   #18
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and a hot water spray in the swan's beak that enabled the chauffeur to clear a passage through Calcutta's crowded streets.
I really don't like the sound of that. I read somewhere else that it had a whistle in its beak and some exhaust gas was routed through it.
My wife (we've been married 20 years in April is from 24 Parganas south West Bengal) and I know Kolkata quite well, and yes the streets do get crowded, I think I prefer the whistle version. Damn Brits... should never have been there in the first place... but that is an ongoing debate, not for here.
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the brooke swan car is in a dutch museum.
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A Miscellaneous car who knows where now, but it came to India:

The last 2 photos are of a model.
The middle photo is of the cars current display, not a scale model

The car is in the Louwmann Collection, my father visited the place recently.

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Thanks for the update, like the Koh-i-Nor alot of stuff should have stayed in India,
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This what they call a REAL Lagonda, the first light car Wilbur Gunn produced. The reason I am posting this is that there is one restored and safe in Delhi only I don’t have any pictures of that car. This is the same model. It is a 1913 11.1hp 2 seater coupe 1099cc, side exhaust valves and overhead inlet valves. It used to be known as “The Beetle”.




This is a picture of a similar slightly later engine.


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This certainly is a very unique looking car. I love the wrap around radiator and little boat tail.
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The steel artillery wheels were absolutely rotten and unobtainable so as a last resort we had a set cast in LM6 aluminium and trued on a large lathe. They were visibly indistinguishable from the originals. They will do until a good set of originals turn up.
Sometimes desperate solutions for desperate problems.
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I wanted to add this old photo to the other photos of this 1923 RR 20hp Barker barrel (car no 66H3) originally with the Maharajah of Bharatpur but given as a gift to The Maharajah of Udaipur. I think I posted them already but can't even find them now, lost in the threads somewhere.
This was a lengthy restoration, which went on for about 5 years in between other work as all the wood was very rotten, had been partially replaced previously but one side of the car was completely out of line. The front aluminium mudguards were very misshapen and corroded. The crankcase was cracked and virtually everything in the engine was completely worn out. The crank main bearings were not central so it was not in line with the gearbox input shaft causing the pilot bush to be completely worn out.
Work on Rolls-Royces takes time.
Crankshaft was reground and main bearing liners re white metalled connecting rods were re white metalled directly as they have no liners. Later models have liners, this is a very early 20hp. The original delivery specification document copies were obtained from the Rolls
Cylinders were relined and bored to suit new pistons from UK. Camshaft was reground in UK valves and guides replaced, cam follower rollers renewed.
Cam balancer rollers were renewed. The upper crankcase crack was TIG welded prior to line boring of the main bearings. The crankcase must be fitted with the cylinder block and head fully torqued down when line boring the main bearings otherwise they won’t stay in line. In fact a Rolls engine is always best stored all assembled and tightened as when they are apart for any length of time the castings start distorting. So head and block facing is done at the last moment before assembly. All pre-war small hp Rolls engines suffer from their cylinder block and head’s water passages becoming blocked with sediment and rust particles causing localised overheating and cracking. I must have spent at least a week unblocking all the passages, which has to be done manually by scraping and chiselling. They also all suffer from most of the coolant only passing through the front of the head and block and straight back to the radiator. The trick is to block a few of the front block to head water passage holes so as to force the water to pass through the rear of the block and head, unless this is done the rear cylinders have a tendency to overheat. This also the case with the Bentley engines.
I remember having to make up a whole set of main bearing and con rod shims which on Rolls Royce’s are about 1/8 inch thick and are coated on one edge with white metal and form part of the bearing they must be absolutely perfect or you loose oil pressure in the bearing as the oil leaks through the gaps. This has to be tested by forcing oil through the assembled crank assembly and checked for leaks. If there is one crank journal leaking then all the others get less oil. Not good.
I always fit new lock washers and a Rolls engine has many dozens of special lock washers. Just a set of lock washers costs about RS 20,000 there are lots of them and they are important.
I always had to insist on imported parts for Rolls Royce or Bentley engines as it is the only way of achieving a reliable result. Most parts are designed down to a minimum in special materials and attempts to make them locally generally fail and you can end up spending more than importing the right part.
This car ate a fortune in imported parts most things luckily are available from specialists.
The Clutch was relined and a new driven plate was fitted. Gearbox and differential bearings and bushes were replaced including the very expensive differential pinion thrust bearing.
This engine was in a real mess all the external oil pipes had to be remade, luckily the timing gears were good but the crankshaft balancer plate surfaces had to be ground and new cotton braid fitted and new springs. Brake drums were reground and the shoes relined. The car was rewired with cotton braided wire and new RR terminations. The chassis was blasted and lightly zinc metal sprayed.
Even after so much effort these cars have to be looked after and correctly stored. Just putting them in a dust blown garage, to be heated up to 45 degrees in summer, is not good enough and they will quickly deteriorate again. With glass doors and no air conditioning they will get even hotter with the greenhouse effect. Roast your Rolls Royce!
Time for a cup of tea.

Here is an old photo of 66H3
The dent in the radiator from the bosch horn was still there
Look at the state of the mudguards then!!

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I am reposting these following photos because I can't even find the last ones now and it avoids all that imageshack and thumbnail drama.

Body half way through.
Miscellaneous cars in Delhi-scan0051.jpg


After completion
Miscellaneous cars in Delhi-rr1-.jpg

Miscellaneous cars in Delhi-scan0055.jpg

Poser with stupid look on face.
Miscellaneous cars in Delhi-scan0050.jpg

Picture Source : The B/W Rolls-Royce 20 hp photo is from The Rolls-Royce Twenty by John M. Fasal

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Has anyone heard of a car called Turner?
I ask this because my grandfather always used to mention that after the Maharajah of Mysore, the only other car in Mysore was owned by his father/grandfather and it was called Turner.

My grandfather was born in 1908 and he died at the age of 97.

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1906-1930 Turner Motor Manufacturing Co.Ltd., Wolverhampton
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The Turner 10h.p., 4 cylinder
They also made steam cars (see above link)

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Thanks a bunch mate, Incidentally i was in Wolverhampton in 2006 for a month.

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Hi Beowolf, How did you like Wolverhampton?


Here's a nice early picture of a car in Delhi, I think its a Lagoonda
I wonder where it is

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Here's a nice early picture of a car in Delhi, I think its a Lagoonda
I wonder where it is
Suffice to say it isnt in the country anymore.
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