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Old 21st October 2013, 03:01   #1906
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GGR56 - Lakrawalla / Raman Regn BMW-3285 / CTO-3285

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GHO43 ??? or GGR81 ?????? [/b]

GGR81 was a T&M Saloon - also owned by Lakrawalla

For sale by Bhatia Automotive a few years ago. Listed as a 1937/38 "One Owner Car"

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GHO43 ?????????? Karl - need your help!

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Here is more information to Travancore's post. This was originally sent to me by Raman's which confirms GGR 56 and GGR 81


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Mr. N.C.Lakrawallah of Bellasis Road, Byculla, Bombay, ordered two 25/30 h.p. cars:- GGR 56 and GGR 81 a saloon by Thrupp & Maberly. (Body no. 6813), both cars were sold on to one Mr. H.Batliwalla of Bombay.

GGR 56 was shipped to Bombay on the s/s 'Durenda' which sailed on the 14th May 1938. GGR 81 was shipped on 11th June 1938 aboard the s/s 'Dalgoma' to Bombay.
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GGR56 - Lakrawalla / Raman Regn BMW-3285 / CTO-3285 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GAR71- Baron Glossop / Kirnani Regn WBB-1414 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GHO43 ??? or GGR81 ?????? GGR81 was a T&M Saloon - also owned by Lakrawalla For sale by Bhatia Automotive a few years ago. Listed as a 1937/38 "One Owner Car" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GHO43 ?????????? Karl - need your help!
The AP registration car is GUL 74

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Sorry for my newbie question, but I don't understand the numbers for the PIII.
1. It says that only 719 were produced, but I have seen other posts that say 727 or so were produced.
2. The numbers below don't seem to add up and some numbers are missing. Were there gaps in the chassis numbers?

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Phantom III Number produced: 719, including 4 experimental cars renumbered and sold.


Chassis Series Year Comments
3 AZ 20 – 238 1936
3 AX 1 – 201 1936
3 BU 2 – 200 1936/37
3 BT 1 – 203

1937
3 CP 2 – 200 1937
3 CM 1 – 203 1937/38 Petrol pump in frame from 3 CM 35
3 DL 2 – 200 1938/39 18 X 5 tires from 3 DL 78
3 DH 1 – 11 1939 Overdrive from 3 DL 172

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Well, I am the co-author of the book in Bernard King's Complete Classic that covers both the Phantom II and Phantom III. Unfortunately this is out of print, although they sometimes appear on ebay.

I have been in discussion with a Chicago publisher about a big book about the Phantom III, but he is busy doing lots of other projects (like on Delage, and Martin Bennett's very recent book about post-war Phantoms). But I remain optimistic that the book will be published soon.

There is a huge amount of information - I have the same sort of info on all 727 Phantom IIIs, so the book will have to be big!
Have you thought of publishing it yourself? Amazon will sell your book which can be published with companies such as Createspace.com. You simply upload the files and then have them print one proof (a few dollars) and then it is available on Amazon. If the publisher does not want to do it, ask that you get the rights and files back from him and then do it yourself. If he won't give you or can't give you files and you have the original work either electronically (best) or typed (you can scan it and then OCR it) and then upload them.

Please pass this on to all authors on these books that are out of print - there is absolutely no reason that they remain so. If the publisher is deceased or out of business and you have a copy and the rights or the rights are abandoned, you can scan the book. The best and easiest way to scan it is to have the binding cut off and take the pages to a copy service where you do the scanning on an automatic scanner (they don't want to do it since that might be a copyright infringement and don't want to research it or take your word for it, but many will let you do the scanning on their machine). That is the most expensive part, might run you ten to twenty cents per page. But then you have a picture file that an OCR program can use to create a document file - or just use the picture file if you don't want to edit it. Createspace will want a .pdf file anyway, not a document file.

Lets get these out of print books back in print!

And Amazon will allow you to create an online, Kindle book as well.

The royalties you will get in this method far surpass any that a regular publisher will give you and you have complete control.

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GGR56 - Lakrawalla / Raman Regn BMW-3285 / CTO-3285 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GAR71- Baron Glossop / Kirnani Regn WBB-1414 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GHO43 ??? or GGR81 ?????? GGR81 was a T&M Saloon - also owned by Lakrawalla For sale by Bhatia Automotive a few years ago. Listed as a 1937/38 "One Owner Car" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GHO43 ?????????? Karl - need your help!
The AP registration car is GUL 74
Kasli, what is your source ? Gautam Sen says AP-10-D-8044 (GAR71) has been owned by S. & A. Karnani since 1971. He met the family early this year.

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What do you mean what is my source . The car is in mumbai and regularly participates in rally's and other events . It belongs to Mr Shah. If it belonged to Mr Karnani earlier I will need to check with Him as I don't know that part. It was earlier black in colour.



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Kasli, what is your source ? Gautam Sen says AP-10-D-8044 (GAR71) has been owned by S. & A. Karnani since 1971. He met the family early this year.
GAR71 is "WBB-1414" to the best of my knowledge. The pictures I posted showing the Chassis plate were taken at the Statesman Rally 2013

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vintag...ml#post3016477 (Kolkata Statesman Vintage & Classic Car Rally - 2013)
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AP 10 D 8044 is GUL74 . Just confirming again and is with Mr Shah as of today . So 100% clear and no confusion


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What do you mean what is my source . The car is in mumbai and regularly participates in rally's and other events . It belongs to Mr Shah. If it belonged to Mr Karnani earlier I will need to check with Him as I don't know that part. It was earlier black in colour.
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We are speaking of that white and maroon car, aren't we ? And it has vertical flip-flap shutters, Lucas 1130 wing lamps and standard bumpers.
I'll try to sort this out with Gautam.

WBB-1414 (in met. blue, then in dark green) which is shown as GAR71 below has raked flip-flap shutters, Cornercroft wing lamps and bumper over-riders. Therefore AP-10** is not GAR71, but GUL74 which is new to me in India.
My recs show three 25/30HP lim by T&M in India: GAR71, GGR56 (Raman's) and GHO43.

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We are speaking of that white and maroon car, aren't we ? And it has vertical flip-flap shutters, Lucas 1130 wing lamps and standard bumpers. I'll try to sort this out with Gautam. WBB-1414 (in met. blue, then in dark green) which is shown as GAR71 below has raked flip-flap shutters, Cornercroft wing lamps and bumper over-riders. Therefore AP-10** is not GAR71, but GUL74 which is new to me in India. My recs show three 25/30HP lim by T&M in India: GAR71, GGR56 (Raman's) and GHO43.
Yes maroon and white one is the car we are talking of . So do inform Gautam that it's GUL 74

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This is an image that appeared in a supplement of the Himachal Tourism Board called Hill Post . Appeared in that supplement was an article on the recent Royal News of Faridkot . One of the snaps was this Rolls , which appears to be a pre war wraith . Experts opinions and clarification please


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A vintage Rolls Royce Car that was lying locked up in the garages at Mashobra in 2001
Though the royal garages on the estate, housed vintage cars, which included a Rolls Royce, a Bentley, a Daimler, two Jaguars and two Pacckard’s,

Locked up elsewhere on the estate were World War II military carriers of great vintage value. Most of the vintage vehicles were said to be in running condition but lying waste from non-use.
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Sorry for my newbie question, but I don't understand the numbers for the PIII.
1. It says that only 719 were produced, but I have seen other posts that say 727 or so were produced.
2. The numbers below don't seem to add up and some numbers are missing. Were there gaps in the chassis numbers?

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Phantom III Number produced: 719, including 4 experimental cars renumbered and sold.


Chassis Series Year Comments
3 AZ 20 – 238 1936
3 AX 1 – 201 1936
3 BU 2 – 200 1936/37
3 BT 1 – 203

1937
3 CP 2 – 200 1937
3 CM 1 – 203 1937/38 Petrol pump in frame from 3 CM 35
3 DL 2 – 200 1938/39 18 X 5 tires from 3 DL 78
3 DH 1 – 11 1939 Overdrive from 3 DL 172
I can guarantee you that there were 727 R-R Phantom III chassis produced, including the 10 experimental cars, seven of which were renumbered and sold.
Chassis series were: EX - 10; AZ - 112; AX - 99; BU - 100; BT - 100; CP - 97; CM - 104; DL - 99; DH - 6.
I have looked at ALL the build records. Some chassis were renumbered from one series to the other.

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This is an image that appeared in a supplement of the Himachal Tourism Board called Hill Post . Appeared in that supplement was an article on the recent Royal News of Faridkot . One of the snaps was this Rolls , which appears to be a pre war wraith . Experts opinions and clarification please
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A vintage Rolls Royce Car that was lying locked up in the garages at Mashobra in 2001
Though the royal garages on the estate, housed vintage cars, which included a Rolls Royce, a Bentley, a Daimler, two Jaguars and two Pacckard’s,

Locked up elsewhere on the estate were World War II military carriers of great vintage value. Most of the vintage vehicles were said to be in running condition but lying waste from non-use.
I think this is WTA47, the Faridkot 1946 Silver Wraith. It appears elsewhere on this forum.
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Here is a photo feature on how the Rolls-Royce mascot is made, the "Spirit of Ecstasy" for RR by Polycast Limited since 2003

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