Go Back   Team-BHP > BHP India > Vintage Cars & Classics in India > Pre-War


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 7th December 2013, 21:00   #1936
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ann Arbor
Posts: 1,979
Thanked: 4,293 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

The RREC Yearbook for 2014 features a 10 page spread on the R-R cars of Rajpipla.

Classic Rolls Royces in India-rajpipla-rrec-2014.jpg
travancore is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 9th December 2013, 17:45   #1937
BHPian
 
jimmywalter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 34
Thanked: 66 Times
Default Re: Rolls Royce Chassis number identification and production figures

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Stuckey View Post
Hi Jimmy. Us historians of pre-war coachbuilt cars have a real problem in trying to have a consistent description of body styles, so we now rely on the most common terms used during the period (1930s in the time I am interested). A "tourer" is an open car of 4 doors WITHOUT a division or occasional seats. Your car has a division, so I call it a "cabriolet". There were 16 cabriolets on PIII chassis, and 5 tourers. Hope this helps. Of course, these days virtually every car maker who builds an open car calls it a cabriolet; sounds more sexy than 'convertible' I guess. Steve
Did you miss my follow up question? I would like to know by whom, where, and why the various car classifications were made and why they are accepted as authoritative today.

You have said that there were 5 tourers. Could you please provide the Chassis numbers and, if possible pictures? The same for the 16 cabriolets?

Many thanks
Jimmy
p.s. I am happy to say that the complete overhaul of my engine, steering box, clutch, and electrical system is complete and the car is back in Vienna, Austria. Anyone wanting to have a look and possibly a ride, weather permitting (I have no winter tires), pleas contact me. jwalter@walden3.org (you will have to get through the spam checker by replying to its challenge)
jimmywalter is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2013, 01:24   #1938
BHPian
 
jimmywalter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 34
Thanked: 66 Times
Default $1200 3D Printer to make those impossible to get parts

https://www.academia.edu/5327317/A_L...al_3-D_Printer

Easy to build, 3d printer to make parts for any car or other uses
jimmywalter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th December 2013, 02:24   #1939
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Canberra, Australia
Posts: 106
Thanked: 157 Times
Default Re: Rolls Royce Chassis number identification and production figures

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmywalter View Post
Did you miss my follow up question? I would like to know by whom, where, and why the various car classifications were made and why they are accepted as authoritative today.

You have said that there were 5 tourers. Could you please provide the Chassis numbers and, if possible pictures? The same for the 16 cabriolets?

Many thanks
Jimmy
p.s. I am happy to say that the complete overhaul of my engine, steering box, clutch, and electrical system is complete and the car is back in Vienna, Austria. Anyone wanting to have a look and possibly a ride, weather permitting (I have no winter tires), pleas contact me. jwalter@walden3.org (you will have to get through the spam checker by replying to its challenge)
Jimmy
Sorry for the delay in replying to you, but I had a computer problem.
All I have said is that a group of RR historians who try to identify pre-war cars agreed amongst ourselves what to call the body styles on various cars. You can call anything you like; that is up to you. Barker itself called it a tourer, so that's all you need I guess.
Other "tourers" as I call them are 3AZ74, 3AX123, 3BT67, and 3AX141. There are photos in various books.
Mr Little knows a lot about PIIIs, mainly their mechanicals. I have spent 25 years researching the histories of the 727 cars.
Steve Stuckey is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 11th December 2013, 13:51   #1940
BHPian
 
jimmywalter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Vienna, Austria
Posts: 34
Thanked: 66 Times
Smile Re: Rolls Royce Chassis number identification and production figures

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Stuckey View Post
Jimmy
Sorry for the delay in replying to you, but I had a computer problem.
All I have said is that a group of RR historians who try to identify pre-war cars agreed amongst ourselves what to call the body styles on various cars. You can call anything you like; that is up to you. Barker itself called it a tourer, so that's all you need I guess.
Other "tourers" as I call them are 3AZ74, 3AX123, 3BT67, and 3AX141. There are photos in various books.
Mr Little knows a lot about PIIIs, mainly their mechanicals. I have spent 25 years researching the histories of the 727 cars.
Thanks for your reply.
Please, could you differentiate between a cabriolet and an "All weather" car?
And, if you have time, could you provide me with the numbers of the Cabriolets?

Thanks again for you help for me and for all you have done for the history of Rolls Royce's. if you, or any other historian wants to put out a book, I am a semi-expert on getting it done through "on-demand" publishing, kindle, etc. I would charge nothing, but it would cost you under $200 to have your book in paperback and hardback, or even less for Kindle only.
jimmywalter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12th December 2013, 10:18   #1941
BHPian
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Canberra, Australia
Posts: 106
Thanked: 157 Times
Default Re: Rolls Royce Chassis number identification and production figures

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmywalter View Post
Thanks for your reply.
Please, could you differentiate between a cabriolet and an "All weather" car?
And, if you have time, could you provide me with the numbers of the Cabriolets?

Thanks again for you help for me and for all you have done for the history of Rolls Royce's. if you, or any other historian wants to put out a book, I am a semi-expert on getting it done through "on-demand" publishing, kindle, etc. I would charge nothing, but it would cost you under $200 to have your book in paperback and hardback, or even less for Kindle only.
Jimmy
According to Nick Georgano's Beaulieu Encyclopaedia of the Automobile, Coachbuilding volume an "All-Weather" was a 1920s name given to cars that could be open to the elements but which had comprehensive arrangements against wind and rain, including glass windows in metal frames that wound down or were taken out. All-weather died out as a term during the later 1920s, replaced by the term convertible.
A tourer had only a rudimentary hood and possibly canvas side-curtains.
A cabriolet was a 4-door drophead body with a division. It became a term that replaced all-weather during the 1920s.
I shall get onto the list of cabriolets.
Steve Stuckey is offline   (1) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2013, 17:25   #1942
Distinguished - BHPian
 
harit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 3,954
Thanked: 2,724 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Does anyone know which Rolls is 36LW? It was supposed to be a Maharaja's car.

Cheers harit
harit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2013, 18:45   #1943
BHPian
 
Boybentley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Leiden, Netherlands
Posts: 97
Thanked: 268 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by harit View Post
Does anyone know which Rolls is 36LW? It was supposed to be a Maharaja's car.

Cheers harit
1919 Silver Ghost with Limousine Landaulet body by Rothschild & Fils (Paris) for Baroda.
Boybentley is offline   (5) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2013, 18:46   #1944
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ann Arbor
Posts: 1,979
Thanked: 4,293 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by harit View Post
Does anyone know which Rolls is 36LW? It was supposed to be a Maharaja's car.

Cheers harit
RR Silver Ghost 1919; Baroda Maharani, Rothschild & Fils Limousine Landaulette. Supposedly sold on to Lalbhai & Kallranbhai Traders in 1921.
travancore is offline   (4) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2013, 19:09   #1945
Distinguished - BHPian
 
harit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Mumbai
Posts: 3,954
Thanked: 2,724 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boybentley View Post
1919 Silver Ghost with Limousine Landaulet body by Rothschild & Fils (Paris) for Baroda.
Quote:
Originally Posted by travancore View Post
RR Silver Ghost 1919; Baroda Maharani, Rothschild & Fils Limousine Landaulette. Supposedly sold on to Lalbhai & Kallranbhai Traders in 1921.
Excellent, thanks.
The car is supposed to be a 40/50, Landaulette in dark blue colour, offered for sale in 1928. Does it survive? Doubtful.
Where was Baroda Palace in Mumbai?

Cheers harit

Last edited by harit : 17th December 2013 at 19:10.
harit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2013, 20:14   #1946
Senior - BHPian
 
KartikeyaL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Jaipur
Posts: 1,284
Thanked: 4,654 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by harit View Post
Where was Baroda Palace in Mumbai?

Cheers harit
the Maharaja of Baroda's palace gave way to the residential building Jal Darshan on Napean sea road !!

Source for this info :
http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...umbai-bungalow

Last edited by KartikeyaL : 17th December 2013 at 20:15.
KartikeyaL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2013, 20:18   #1947
BHPian
 
Boybentley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Leiden, Netherlands
Posts: 97
Thanked: 268 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by harit View Post
Excellent, thanks.
The car is supposed to be a 40/50, Landaulette in dark blue colour, offered for sale in 1928. Does it survive? Doubtful.
Where was Baroda Palace in Mumbai?

Cheers harit
On closer inspection of the chassis card, it seems it was originally intended for Baroda but there is another name written (very difficult to read).
I can make the name: "Lalbhai Kastranbhai Laderi".
Don't know if this makes sence to anyone?
Boybentley is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 17th December 2013, 21:14   #1948
BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: planet earth
Posts: 793
Thanked: 883 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boybentley View Post
On closer inspection of the chassis card, it seems it was originally intended for Baroda but there is another name written (very difficult to read).
I can make the name: "Lalbhai Kastranbhai Laderi".
Don't know if this makes sence to anyone?
The Kasturbhai Lalbhai family had a ghost from new, could it be this one??

can John Fasal through some light on it?

many a times maharajas ordered cars and changed their minds before delivery, as a result the car , new, was sold to someone else. The build sheet in that case would have the original buyers name struck out and the new buyers name written below or on the side.

Travancore,

The latest RREC bulletin features my friend Rupert's 25/30 on the cover with his story on driving 6000 miles through India last winter.
A very interesting travelogue of an elderly couple driving an old Rolls all alone in India going to places like Assam, Nagaland , Bengal, etc , then onto Nepal and Bangladesh before returning to Bombay. Six months in all

Last edited by Bulldogji : 17th December 2013 at 21:22.
Bulldogji is offline   (4) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 18th December 2013, 04:18   #1949
Distinguished - BHPian
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Ann Arbor
Posts: 1,979
Thanked: 4,293 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogji View Post
The Kasturbhai Lalbhai family had a ghost from new, could it be this one??
Sir Raymond Streat (Chairman of the British Cotton Board) states in one of his books that he was taken around to see Kasturbhai Lalbhai's mills .......

"so his secretary was told to show us the sights in a big Auburn car".
travancore is offline   (2) Thanks Reply With Quote
Old 18th December 2013, 20:58   #1950
BHPian
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: planet earth
Posts: 793
Thanked: 883 Times
Default re: Classic Rolls Royces in India

Quote:
Originally Posted by travancore View Post
Sir Raymond Streat (Chairman of the British Cotton Board) states in one of his books that he was taken around to see Kasturbhai Lalbhai's mills .......

"so his secretary was told to show us the sights in a big Auburn car".
Well, they did have a Rolls.

Now an AUBURN!!! Wonder where it is?

Any Auburn historians around?
Bulldogji is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pics : Rolls Royces & Bentleys in India jesal Super-Cars & Imports in India 197 11th December 2017 20:48
Why do Rolls Royces "lean back"? D33-PAC Technical Stuff 4 15th April 2012 22:55
Pics : Economic Times Rolls Royce Centenary Rally. Includes 2004 Rolls Royce Phantom v12 Vintage Cars & Classics in India 28 15th February 2009 17:15
Classic ICE: Rolls Royce Silver Spur gunbir In-Car Entertainment 48 21st August 2007 10:07
The new S Class, Rolls Royces and more! gemballa Super-Cars & Imports in India 30 25th February 2006 02:22


All times are GMT +5.5. The time now is 16:33.

Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Team-BHP.com
Proudly powered by E2E Networks