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Old 9th February 2015, 05:59   #2101
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Does anyone know if one of the gentlemen in Harit's picture is Sir. D.H. Bhiwandiwala (probably Sir. Dossabhai Hormusji Bhiwandiwala) ?

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It's not very often that we get to see a Rolls-Royce that hasn't been posted on TBHP before, so this got me quite excited.

This rather smart looking Silver Ghost attended an event in Kanpur

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vinta...pur-rally.html

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Is it a known car?
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It's not very often that we get to see a Rolls-Royce that hasn't been posted on TBHP before, so this got me quite excited.

This rather smart looking Silver Ghost attended an event in Kanpur

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/vinta...pur-rally.html

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This is interesting. RR SG 2354 originally came to India (without a body) in 1927. It must have since been exported, since this notification says "Reimport"!
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Yes , it's a re import and belongs to the Jaiswals. Was sent to England to a coach builder fitter and it's back . Should be seen in the upcoming show in March

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and some more details , apparently this car has been re-imported
30-Dec-2014 RE IMPORT OF CAR ROLLS ROYCE SILVER GHOST
( MODEL NO 1913 CHASSIS NO 2354 ENGINE NO 69J RC NO UPG9192)

I just spoke to a friend in Kanpur and he told me that this particular Rolls has a 4 speed transmission and was used as a racing car, it was under some dispute for some 20 odd years in Kanpur itself and the current owners, bought it and sent it for restoration , it has been restored by Mr. Jonathan Harley, and is owned by Mr. Tariq Ibrahim, if I got the name right.

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More pictures of UPG 9192, excuse the picture quality as they seem to be clicked on cell phone.

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I just spoke to a friend in Kanpur and he told me that this particular Rolls has a 4 speed transmission and was used as a racing car, it was under some dispute for some 20 odd years in Kanpur itself and the current owners, bought it and sent it for restoration , it has been restored by Mr. Jonathan Harley, and is owned by Mr. Tariq Ibrahim, if I got the name right.
I think then this is the car that was raced by a Spanish Count, and a sister car for the longest time to the other Ghost (also pictured in the same event), also 1913, a Barker Limousine #2286. Great to see the car out and about.
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I think then this is the car that was raced by a Spanish Count, and a sister car for the longest time to the other Ghost (also pictured in the same event), also 1913, a Barker Limousine #2286. Great to see the car out and about.

Very happy to have finally seen the car and it's traced 😃 many were wondering where it had gone . How the car came about in India is still a mystery and I am sure the desired build sheet would have that information. A prime example of the model !

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Few more pictures of Rolls Royce UPG 9192
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Few more pictures of Rolls Royce UPG 9192
Sorry to nit pick, but I hope the owner is able to procure new pair of number plates where U.P.G. is rewritten as UPG, never seen number plates written with full stops in it.
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Sorry to nit pick, but I hope the owner is able to procure new pair of number plates where U.P.G. is rewritten as UPG, never seen number plates written with full stops in it.
I do remember seeing many period photos with the dots as well, though on painted plates. Mainly UP and MP/CP if I remember right. I'm sure Cedric can share some examples - if he is reading this

EDIT - I found this picture of a DKW motorcycle ex Patiala. Its highly original down to paint, and the plate is likely to be original as well, if not decades old.

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67bug,
In the very early days of motoring, plates were mostly hand painted and the detail of the style lay very much in the hands of the painter. In those days some painters in some areas chose to put periods between the letters - no doubt for their own aesthetic reasons.
By the 1939 series, painted plates were rare and periods were rarer but some (old?) painters continued with them.
This photo shows them also on a Calcutta bus.
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Royces quickly became popular with the super-rich Maharajahs of India, who decorated their cars in their own inimitable fashion.
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Has U.P.G. 9192 (note the full stops ) grown in length after restoration? Or does it seem like that because the spare has moved to the other side?



Also the TBHP watermark, especially across smaller pictures is really a hindrance.

Hope the mods find an art director to design a watermark that doesn't cover crucial parts of the pictures. Or a frame for the pictures, which can be edited, come to think of it, or something lighter/smaller/many small ones, etc.

The other day, saw a newspaper clipping that was half covered by the watermark.
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Sorry to nit pick, but I hope the owner is able to procure new pair of number plates where U.P.G. is rewritten as UPG, never seen number plates written with full stops in it.
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I do remember seeing many period photos with the dots as well, though on painted plates. Mainly UP and MP/CP if I remember right. I'm sure Cedric can share some examples - if he is reading this

EDIT - I found this picture of a DKW motorcycle ex Patiala. Its highly original down to paint, and the plate is likely to be original as well, if not decades old.

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67bug,
In the very early days of motoring, plates were mostly hand painted and the detail of the style lay very much in the hands of the painter. In those days some painters in some areas chose to put periods between the letters - no doubt for their own aesthetic reasons.
By the 1939 series, painted plates were rare and periods were rarer but some (old?) painters continued with them.
This photo shows them also on a Calcutta bus.
Cheers
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Incidentally these plates have been on the car for decades - I recently saw them in an old black and white photo of the car.
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Royces quickly became popular with the super-rich Maharajahs of India, who decorated their cars in their own inimitable fashion.
Can we find out who designed and owned such a gaudy car?
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