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Old 26th March 2008, 10:36   #61
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Its great to see more and more people coming forward and discussing these cars.
Karlos, now isn't that very exciting. We have a great set of people coming into these threads. Am loving it!!!

PS: Sometimes its the joy of sharing in this passion with you guys that to me is more precious than the automobiles

By the way are these two pictures not of the same car?

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As promised, I am also uploading original pictures of the Hyderabad Throne Car - RR Silver Ghost and a couple of Alwar Silver Ghosts (pictures courtesy of Autocar)

Car as delivered to Hyderabad
Travancore thanks a ton. The great thing about period photos is they don't lie!!! A well known restorer confidently told me the wheels on the ghost were wrong. But from the picture it appears its only the fenders and bodywork that was fiddled with

By the way xoticars here has a mindboggling collection of books and magazines too, am waiting for him to start posting Infact the first time I actually met him leisurely and was allowed the privilege of visiting his home to see his collection I was dumbfounded as to the sheer amount of effort he has put in to build an automotive library and the vast amounts of money it would have taken him to do so.

Stellar effort Ajit!! Not many people take it to where you've taken the hobby.

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Clicked this beauty at the Atria Mall in Mumbai. They would not allow me to get inside to click and told me to click from outsied if I wished to do so and am glad I did.
Can someone identify this model please.
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Clicked this beauty at the Atria Mall in Mumbai. They would not allow me to get inside to click and told me to click from outsied if I wished to do so and am glad I did.
Can someone identify this model please.
Thats a Rolls Royce Silver Wraith, part of Hormusjee Camas superb collection. Here she is at a rally in 2006, note the rare "kneeling lady" hood ornament, missing in your picture.

EDIT - This should make for interesting reading.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...e-phantom.html
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Thank you so much karlosdeville
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Here are some Ive come across.

Fali Dhondhys super 20hp. Im told this car was rebuilt from scratch with many missing bits.

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Another 20hp spotted in Calcutta.

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This 20/25 was in Hyderabad for many years, black in colour. My cousins would play in it as kids, living next door. Now in Bombay.

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Vijay Mallyas Silver Ghost (?) at a Pune rally, 2003. His other convertible Ghost is visible in the Rolls Rally link I posted earlier. I believe he also owns this Phantom 3. Can anyone confirm this?

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An important name to mention in a Rolls thread is Yohan Poonawala. Here are a few of his Rollers.

1937 Phatom III when freshly restored. She now sports whitewalls and has lost the disc wheel-covers. The queer steering wheel should be original, as Ive seen a couple more as well. The dash appears to be a locally redone job. The car was originally a hardtop, with the cabrio conversion done later in India. Im told there was a British gent in Calcutta (?) who was well known for cutting up these classics, and this was one of them. Just telling
you what i was told, cant confirm it.

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This 20/25 has just completed a restoration.

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This Silver Cloud was a recent addition. Came from Delhi. Im told the car was a more recent import to India.

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Im sure there are more on their way awaiting restoration, and Im not counting the 2 Shadows, the Spur, and the 1st new Phantom in India.
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Rolls-Royce 20hp direct sales of cars to India

Maharajah of Kashmir
1925 GPK 20 Eng. No. G1391 Barker Tourer
1927 GXL 7 Eng. No. C8Y Windovers Limousine
1929 GLN 39 Eng. No. T7K Thrupp and Maberly Tourer

Maharajah of Gwalior
1923 71 A6 Eng. No. G431 Barker Cabriolet
1923 GAK 25 Eng. No. G858 H.J. Mulliner Allweather

Maharajah of Bharatpur.
1923 66 H3 Eng. No.G331 Barker barrel tourer (the car I spent 5 years restoring in Delhi).
1925 GPK 33 Eng. No. G1365 Saloon by G. Wylder
1925 GSK 15 Eng. No. G1364 Cabriolet by Windovers
1928 GTM 17 Eng. No. J3T Weymann saloon

Maharajah of Jaipur
1923 GAK 60 Eng. No. G902 Barker Tourer

Maharajah of Jodphur

1923 GH 73 Eng. No. G842 Barker Landaulette
1923 GRK 69 Eng. No. G1074 Barker Coupe
1924 GLK 21 Eng. No. G1174 Barker Tourer

Maharajah of Patiala
1922 42 G2 Eng. No.G128 Barker tourer
1923 54 S1 Eng. No. G132 Barker tourer
1923 87 K6 Eng. No. G560 H.J. Mulliner Cabriolet
1923 88 K5 Eng. No. G589 Hooper tourer
1923 GA 60 Eng. No. G624 Hooper D.H.Coupe
1923 GAK 80 Eng. No. G917 H.J. Mulliner Cabriolet
1925 GPK 8 Eng. No. G1355 Barker two Seater
1928 GKM 77 Eng. No. M7Q Park Ward Tourer
1928 GFN 1 Eng. No. F2X Windovers Sedanca

P M of Patiala
1924-5 GLK 53 Eng. No. G1217 Steuart Tourer (coachbuilders in Calcutta)

Maharaj Rana of Dholpur

1924 GLK 67 Eng. No. G1220 Hooper Tourer

Maharajah of Alwar
1923 GMK 32 Eng. No. G946 Barker coupe
1923 GRK 44 Eng. No G1048 H.J.Mulliner Cabriolet

Maharajah of Nabha
1923 68 H5 Eng. No. G366 Hooper tourer

Maharajah of Cooch Behar

1929 GEN 47 Eng. No. H9W H.J. Mulliner D.H. Coupe

Maharajah of Rajpipla
1922 40 G1 Eng. No. 101 Landaulette by Windovers (1st production car sold)

Maharajah of Udaipur
1923 42 G0 Eng. No. G121 Barker tourer
1923 64 H9 Eng. No. G349 Barker tourer
1923 GAK 43 Eng. No. G630 Barker cabriolet

Maharajah of Kutch
1923 GA 4 Eng. No. G591 H.J.Mulliner cabriolet

Maharajah of Dinajpur
1924 GMK 63 Eng. No. G997 Stewart Two Seater

Maharajah of Mayurbhanj
1924 GDK 4 Eng. No. G1086 Barker Landaulette
1925 GPK 18 Eng. No. 1352 H.J.Mulliner Cabriolet

Maharajah of Banswara
1925 GPK 6 Eng. No. G1337 Barker Tourer

Maharajah of Nawanagar
1927 GAJ 52 Eng. No. A6A Barker Tourer
1927 GRJ 80 Eng. No. O2M Thrupp and Maberly Tourer

Maharajah of Burdwan
1927 GAJ 81 Eng. No. W4E Hooper Tourer

Maharajah of Surguja
1924 GRK 53 Eng. No. G1049 Cockshoot Tourer

Raj Rana of Dhrangadhra
1923 79 A9 Eng. No. G507 Barker Cabriolet

Raja of Bobbili
1923 GH 26 Eng. No. G806 Simpson Landaulette

Raja of Sarangarh
1923 GAK 39 Eng. No. G859 Barker Tourer

Nawab of Bhopal
1923 53 S6 Eng. No. G182 Barker Landaulette
1923 65 H9 Eng. No. G322 Barker Cabriolet

Nawab of Rampur
1923 67 H7 Eng. No. G393 Barker Limousine

Nawab of Bahawalpur
1923 81K2 Eng. No. G495 Barker Tourer

Nawab of Hyderabad
1923 85K6 Eng. No. G557 Hooper two seater

Nawab of Sachin
1927 GRJ1 Eng. No. W8E Barker Tourer

Nawab Moinud Dowla
1923 66 H9 Eng. No. G361 Barker Tourer

Nawab of Savanur
1923 GMK 59 Eng. No. G992 Mann Egerton tourer

Ruler of Nandgaon
1927 GAJ 19 Eng. No. E4V Barker Tourer

Sir N.N. Wadia
1923 GF 35 Eng. No. G690 Barker Landaulette

Sir Hormasji Wadia
1923 85 K0 Eng. No. G505 Barker Tourer

Sir David Ezra
1927 GAJ 23 Eng. No. I 9 R T. H. Gill Landaulette

Col. A.B. Minchin
1925 GPK 71 Eng. No. G1368 Barker Tourer

Maj. H. G. Vaux
1924 GMK 60 Eng. No.G991 Barker Cabriolet

K.C. Lakrawalla
1922 43 G5 Eng. No. G140 Windovers Tourer

Dinshaw and Sorabjee
1923 59 S3 Eng. No. G300 Two Seater

V. J. Chetty
1923 62 H9 Eng. No. G383 Barker Limousine

Dr. Rangachary
1923 68 H2 Eng. No. G370 Barker Tourer

T.Ross
1923 72 A2 Eng. No. G365 Barker Tourer

M. Jugaldas
1923 79 A2 Eng. No. G494 Hooper Tourer

C.W. Tosh
1923 GA 51 Eng. No. 648 J.Croall D.H.Coupe

G. E. Langley
1924 GAK58 Eng. No. G903 Barker D.H. Coupe

B.J. Desai
1924 GMK 5 Eng. No. G905 Barker Tourer

T. M. Thaddeus

1926 GZK 14 Eng. No. G1654 Barker Landaulette

Mrs. G. Gubbay
1925 GYK 85 Eng. No. G1898 Barker Cabriolet

J. R. Booth
1927 GAJ 42 Eng. No. A 5 Z Hooper Tourer

Extracted from the complete 20hp sales list in
The Rolls-Royce Twenty by J. Fasal
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I wonder how many from that list are on this thread?

Anyways, more that I saw at various rallies.

This Kellner bodied Phantom 1 (?) belongs to a yesteryears actress, I think its Mumtaaz. (Whoever is Fardeen Khans Mother in law). It used to be owned by one Parsi gentleman named Bhatena, who was at a senior position at the RTO. Incidentally, his sons Aspi (of Car India and Bike India fame), Percy, Sorab and Sherry are all fully into cars and bikes professionally, being pro racers at some point or the other. Some stories Sorab has given me!

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This Mulliner bodied Wraith made a couple of appearences at Pune rallies.

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I spotted this supremely original Wraith at a Bombay Rally. Im told it is in long term ownership with one Mr Jamshedji, and it is the very same car that was used in the Autocar road test back in the day when new.

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Rolls-Royce Phantom I direct sales to India

Maharajah Bahadur of Jammu and Kashmir
1927 June 106DC Open tourer by Windovers
1928 Dec 75UF Limousine by Windovers
1928 Oct 34AL Open tourer by Windovers
1928 17EX Phantom 1 car, purchased in 1929
Maharajah of Poonch
1925 Sept. 37MC Barker Open Tourer
1925 Dec 18HC H.J. Mulliner Limousine
Maharajah of Patiala
1925 July 38MC Barker Open Tourer
1926 Nov 21YC Hooper Open Tourer
1929 Mar 74WR A. Mulliner Limousine
Maharajah of Bharatpur
1925 Aug 2RC Barker Cabriolet
1926 Feb 51RC Windovers Saloon
1926 Feb 70RC Windovers Coupe
Maharajah of Mysore
1925 Oct 4RC Barker open Two Seater
1927 Feb 110YC Hooper Cabriolet
Maharajah of Kotah
1925 Dec 10RC Hooper open Tourer
1925 Oct 23RC Barker Open Tourer
Maharajah of Vizianagram
1925 Oct 16HC Windovers Open Tourer
1927 Jan 93YC Windovers Allweather
1927 May 1EF Barker Open Tourer
Maharajah of Jaipur
1929 Jan 36WR Barker Open Tourer
1929 July 46OR Barker Limousine
Maharajah of Alwar
1926 Jan 40HC H.J. Mulliner Cabriolet
Maharajah of Jodhpur
1926 Feb 9LC Barker Boat tail Two Seater
1927 Dec 94RF Windovers Limousine
Maharajah of Mayurbhanj
1926 Dec 63TC Hooper Open Tourer
1926 Nov 109TC Windovers Limousine
Maharajah of Dinajpur
1927 April 41NC H.J. Mulliner Allweather
Maharajah of Darbhanga
1927 June 43EF Hooper Open Tourer
Maharajah of Rajpipla
1927 April 55EF Elkington Coupe de ville
1929 Jan 27WR Windovers Limousine
Maharajah of Udaipur
1927 June 100EF Hooper Open Tourer
Maharani of Baroda
1928 March 71RF A. Mulliner Landaulette
1928 March 75EH A. Mulliner Landaulette
Rajah of Pilhapuram
1927 Aug 57EF Hooper Open Tourer
Maharajah of Bhavnagar
1928 Sept 60AL Barker Open Tourer
Maharajah of Nanpara
1928 Aug 18AL Windovers Open Tourer
Rajah of Nanpara
1926 Sept 6YC Windovers Open Tourer
Rajah of Chota Udepur
1926 Sept 15YC Hooper Open Tourer
Rajah of Pithapuram
1928 Sept 85AL Barker cabriolet
Thakore Sahib of Palitana
1928 March 9EH Barker Open Tourer
Nawab of Bahawalpur
1925 Nov 39MC Hooper Two Seater Tourer
1927 Feb 92YC Barker Limousine
Nawab Wali Ud Dowla
1926 July 71DC Barker Open Tourer
Nawab Moin Ud Dowla Bahadur
1927 July 64EF Hooper Open Tourer
1929 Nov 74OR Barker Sedanca de Ville
Nawab Lutfud Dowla Bahadur
1929 Jan 93WR Barker cabriolet
Ruler of Bhopal
1925 Sept 97MC Hooper Cabriolet
Ruler of Nandgaon
1928 June 80FH Barker Open Tourer
Sir Manekji Dadabhoy
1928 Mar 27EH Hooper Limousine de Ville
Sir Dhunjibhoy Bomanji
1928 April 45EH Hooper Landaulette
1928 Mar 52EH Hooper Limousine
Bombay Stock
1926 Jan 45LC Hooper Open Tourer

Extracted from complete sales listing in
Rolls-Royce The Derby Phantoms by Lawence Dalton
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Delhi-ites might recognise this royal looking Phantom 3.

EDIT - there is a Silver ghost armoured car at the Tank Museum in Ahmednagar, apparently in very sorry state. I hope to visit the place sometime soon, will get you some photos. A very significant car that!
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Lovely Photos Karl again, I think the Silver Coud II came from Delhi also? If it is the one I remember I serviced it for more than 10 years. The Phantom III I think is well known here, I did restore the carburettor and set up the distributors and changed the prop shaft coupling but it got moved and then sold before I could finish the job!
Keep the photos coming. I hope my lists aren't disturbing the flow of photos PII, PIII and W.O. Bentley lists to come.
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Lovely Photos Karl again, I think the Silver Coud II came from Delhi also? If it is the one I remember I serviced it for more than 10 years.
Yup, came from Delhi Im told. Superb car. Quite rare in India I would think.

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Keep the photos coming. I hope my lists aren't disturbing the flow of photos PII, PIII and W.O. Bentley lists to come.
Keep 'em comin! Perhaps once it is complete we can club them together as a one stop reference. As I expected, it doesnt look like Rolls Royce ever sold a car to a "commoner" without a royal connection. The exception being a few Parsis though. But then again in Bombay they lived like kings anyways!
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Great pictures Karlos. That Kellner bodied RR is awesome.
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Ok once you're used to them, grabbing at thin air
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Are you sure that steering wheel is original? Look at the special curves of the lower photo the PIII wheel looks like they've chopped a lump out
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