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Old 28th March 2008, 07:41   #91
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Rolls-Royce Phantom II cars sent to India

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JulianUK, great work. Just adding a few more from the same source:

Indian Stock
April 1930 91XJ Open Touring Barker

Maharaja of Rewa - Car at Blackhawk Museum (listed as A.Mertzanoff in book)
May, 1930 179XJ Barker Boat tailed tourer

Travancore State
July 1930 85GN Hooper Limousine

Raja of Parlakimedi
Sept 1930 27GY Barker Open Touring Body

Maharaja of Patiala - per Windovers History (listed as Paris Salon 1930)
Nov 1930 Windovers Limousine

Prince of Gondal
Dec 1930 132GY Barker Open Touring Body

Mrs. E.C. Wilkin (Bangalore)
Oct 1932 114MS Hooper Saloon Limousine
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Old 28th March 2008, 11:09   #92
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Thought I read in a link from Team-BHP that the second car (TDV-1) is ex-Jaipur, now in Coimbatore (?). Cannot remember which link it was.
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Deepak, the bigger car is the Sanghi car. The dark blue car is believed to be an ex Jaipur car. The owner lives in Coimbatore, and that's what he told me. A nice car.
Thank you gentlemen, I stand corrected.
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[quote=Julian UK;776631]1932 20/25hp chassis GKT41 with sports open tourer for the Rajah of Mandi. Two similar designs of body were also fitted to 1933 Phantom II chassis also for India.

1932 20/25hp chassis GKT41


This car - GKT41 (now painted red) is wth the Bhogilal collection

Another photo of the Phantom III chassis 3CP116 in front of the Hooper factory at Park Royal, with cabriolet coachwork by Windovers, delivered to HH Prince Azam Jah Berar of Hyderabad in February 1938. The same car as was tracked down by Travencore to its present location about 5 miles from its original body builder Hooper in Park Royal London.
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A small correction to above statement - the above car (3CP116) after the modfication (de-glamoured !)by Hooper, was used as the State Car of the Portugese President and is with the Caramulo Museum in Portugal.

The car with Vale Weddings in London is the ex-Baroda Phantom III (3BT121) with a body by Mayfair and exhibited originally at the Paris Expo. Thanks
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Thank you for the correction
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[quote=Julian UK;776631]1932 20/25hp chassis GKT41 with sports open tourer for the Rajah of Mandi. Two similar designs of body were also fitted to 1933 Phantom II chassis also for India.

The two Phantom II's that had similar duck-tail bodies are the Jaipur "Tiger's Eye", shown elsewhere on the thread;
and the 1932 PII (Chassis 44MY) belonging to the Mir of Khairpur (now in Pakistan)

Below: 20/25 HP GKT 41 (Bhogilal Collection) - do not know source of picture

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Khairpur 1932 P-II (Chassis 44MY) source: Rolls Royce Motors
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A few misc Bhogilal Rollers.

I think this was a P3. Pics - BSM.

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Interesting Boat tail.

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I remember this car being ex Travancore. Am I right, Travancore?

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A 20hp (?)

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Ex Jaipur car, painted in 97 to commemorate 50 years of India's independance.

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Absolutely FABULOUS !!!

Keep up the amazing work and thank you very much for letting us mere mortals an insight into such a detailed history of this astonishing marque.

Look forward to learning a lot more...

Just out of curiosity, when and how did these cars leave Indian shores ??
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This is the 1926 Phantom I Chassis no. 71DC with Barker open tourer body owned by the Nawab Wali Ud Dowla of Hyderabad
Nawab Wali-ud-Dowla was the younger son of Sir Vicar-ul-Umra who built the fabulous Falaknuma Palace and had to sell it to his ruler the Nizam even before he used it.

Ironically this RR and a 20 hp model were with Wali-ud-Dowla's son Habeeb Jung for years till late sixties/early seventies and although his daughter was my classmate I never knew there were two RR's in their garages!!! Sadly before I awakened to the treasures of yesteryear automobiles these RR's were sold and left Hyderabad.

Of the other RR's in Hyderabad, the following are some people who I am aware had RR's

Raja Pratapgirji (20 hp was sold for Rs 5000 in 60's/70's)
Raja Dhanrajgirji (Dad remembers his car to be a larger Rolls in blue with aluminium finish)
Raja of Jatprol (again a larger RR will try to get pictures from his son)
Nawab Dawood Jung
Dara Chenoy
Alam Yar Jung (20 hp)
Hyderabad being the wealthiest/largest of the princely states the city had many other RR's, will find out more and post.

Once a breaker/salvage yard owner told me his grandfather destroyed 14 RR's, often the metal being used for sand carrying pans! I told him if only they had stashed these cars away they wouldn't have to work for atleast three more generations. Sadly many a great automobile in prinstine condition were demolished as they were no longer being used/replaced with modern cars.

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Here is Telco's famous Rolls. Bought donkeys years ago as junk from an erstwhile Maharaja, the car was restored ground up by the trainees and others at Telco. My father recalls that Moolgaokar spearheaded the project to train the apprentices. They seemed to have done a great job, and the car was a regular prize winner. I last saw it at a rally in 93.

I was told they later opened the engine to overhaul, and the job of sleeving was outsourced to local turner, who cracked the block. Why the Tata Rolls should be opened outside I have no idea! And Im sure they have the capabilities to cast a new block as well, but nothing seems to be happening. I shot these pics exactly a year ago.
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Is this car not a 20hp (horizontal slat grill set)? The signboard seems to incorrectly refer to it as a 26 silver ghost?

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Is this car not a 20hp (horizontal slat grill set)? The signboard seems to incorrectly refer to it as a 26 silver ghost?
Thats why I haven't mentioned the model name, as I too had the same doubt. Were the later Ghosts also offered with this grille perhaps? Or the grille itself later changed? Julian and others, help!

They refused to let me photograph under the bonnet as the engine is opened.
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Thats why I haven't mentioned the model name, as I too had the same doubt. Were the later Ghosts also offered with this grille perhaps? Or the grille itself later changed? Julian and others, help!

They refused to let me photograph under the bonnet as the engine is opened.
Karlos I too have limited knowledge of RR's but from what I recall reading the last of the Ghosts was 1925. The horizontal slat grill was always for the 20 hp Rolls or the baby RR's. The Ghosts always had the radiator exposed and it was the New Phantom or the Phantom 1 which received the louvered parthenon style grill.

Someone please correct me if I got that wrong.

PS: The 20 HP model lasted from 1922 to 1929 as per the chassis list posted earlier

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Definitely a 20hp.
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1930 Rolls-Royce Phantom II Boat tail (built by Barker) ?
This unique example of a stylish and flamboyant hunting car was custom-built and outfitted for the Maharajah of Rewa of India. The sculpted boat tail design has wood veneer strips on the top portion of the rear deck, much like the veneer on a wooden speedboat.

The caption for this car says it’s a Barker body, but the records say the
Maharajah of Rewa bought this car with a Hooper body:
Phantom II 86XJ Hooper Open Tourer in Feb 1930.
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An interesting topic is that of Indian Coachbuilders. This photo mentions a company called Khan. Does anyone know anything about them? The Darbhanga Delauney-Belleville’s body was built by the French Motor Car Co. in Calcutta (it has their plates on it).
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1921 Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost
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Factory Records show that 47 AG was ordered by G Mein Austin of Calcutta, Rolls-Royce agent, for his esteemed customer, His Highness the Raja of Santosh. The car was shipped to Bombay on 14th April 1921. Although Factory Records do not detail the coachbuilder, it has been suggested that the elegant aluminium coachwork was crafted originally by Stuarts of Calcutta and Factory Records show that the chassis was specifically designed to carry ‘6 seater Open Touring’ coachwork. It appears that the car was later owned by The Hon. Raja Sir Manmath Ray Chowdhury, Kt. of Santosh, and by 1927 was in the ownership of a Mrs Burchard in Paris. It seems likely that the magnificent Stephen Grebel headlamps and the running board-mounted tiger-hunting spotlight would be original fittings, in common with many other Silver Ghosts supplied to valued Maharaja customers. In later life the fenders have been modernised in 1930’s fashion and this feature has been retained by subsequent owners. From Bonhams auction 2005 details

Stuart? I thought it was Steuart.

Steuart and Co., coachbuilders
Robert Steuart, the coachmaker, was designated "state coach-maker" as early as 1795. He produced palankeens for the Mysore princes on the order of Cornwallis. The firms had contracts for the state howdah for the Prince of Wales' visit in 1876, a silver-decorated carriage for the Maharajah of Jind in 1878, as well as carriages for the Newab of Bhawalpore, the Commander-in-Chief of Nepal and the Amir of Kabul.

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An interesting topic is that of Indian Coachbuilders. This photo mentions a company called Khan. Does anyone know anything about them?
Ive seen pictures of this same car elsewhere, in one of my books. Ill try digging it up, will take some time!

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Stuart? I thought it was Steuart.

Steuart and Co., coachbuilders
Robert Steuart, the coachmaker, was designated "state coach-maker" as early as 1795. He produced palankeens for the Mysore princes on the order of Cornwallis. The firms had contracts for the state howdah for the Prince of Wales' visit in 1876, a silver-decorated carriage for the Maharajah of Jind in 1878, as well as carriages for the Newab of Bhawalpore, the Commander-in-Chief of Nepal and the Amir of Kabul.
There are 2 cars, which one is the second?
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