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Old 12th March 2013, 04:24   #226
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This must be one for the Nizam's Napiers that doesnt survive today.

Picture from the Paigah's of the Deccan page on FB
This is probably the Nizam's 65 H.P. Tourer
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This must be one for the Nizam's Napiers that doesnt survive today.

Picture from the Paigah's of the Deccan page on FB
Here is the same picture captioned....identified as a 40 H.P. (The Autocar July 9, 1910)

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True or not, interesting read! (The Autocar, Dec 5, 1908)

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Was at RAF museum recently where saw this plane on the display. Seems Nizam's have some collection of planes as well. Since the registration isn't with suffix VT seems an archaic collection.
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A bit OT, but the museum was so engaging but had very few vsitors compared to more touristic places like London Eye, Tower Bridge and likes.

There were some vintage vehicles on display at the museum as well.
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Was at RAF museum recently where saw this plane on the display. Seems Nizam's have some collection of planes as well. Since the registration isn't with suffix VT seems an archaic collection.
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A bit OT, but the museum was so engaging but had very few vsitors compared to more touristic places like London Eye, Tower Bridge and likes.

There were some vintage vehicles on display at the museum as well.
This was a "Presentation Aircraft" from WWI.

During WWI and WWII, many Indian Maharajas (and the public / States / cities) donated aircraft and whole squadrons to the RAF. These were known as "Presentation Aircraft" or "Presentation Squadrons"). Famous among these whole squadron gifts are Baroda, Hyderabad and Mysore, among others.

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And here is one closer to home for me!

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Since these were military aircraft, the civil registration "VT" would not apply. Legend has it that VT stood for Viceroy's Territory

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This was a "Presentation Aircraft" from WWI.
During WWI and WWII, many Indian Maharajas (and the public / States / cities) donated aircraft and whole squadrons to the RAF. These were known as "Presentation Aircraft" or "Presentation Squadrons"). ................
I believe that these donations were more during WW I, I have not heard about this being done in WW II. I was also told of a royal who donated ambulances during WW I. Barwani had told me that his grandfather not only donated ambulances but was physically present to attend to the wounded / casualities. That was a reason why the state got so many gun salutes as the State of Barwani had.
As one can see, we used to talk with each other.


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I believe that these donations were more during WW I, I have not heard about this being done in WW II. I was also told of a royal who donated ambulances during WW I. Barwani had told me that his grandfather not only donated ambulances but was physically present to attend to the wounded / casualities. That was a reason why the state got so many gun salutes as the State of Barwani had.
As one can see, we used to talk with each other.


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The tradition of presentation aircraft / squadrons continued very strongly in WW2. For anyone interested on India aircraft, here is a link:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Hi...sentation.html


Talking about ambulances in WWI, here is one of the larger donations (Gwalior). There were many more, both in WWI and WWII!

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Was at RAF museum recently where saw this plane on the display. Seems Nizam's have some collection of planes as well. Since the registration isn't with suffix VT seems an archaic collection.

A bit OT, but the museum was so engaging but had very few vsitors compared to more touristic places like London Eye, Tower Bridge and likes.

There were some vintage vehicles on display at the museum as well.
Was this at RAF Hendon?
Do let me know. I loved my visit to that museum some years ago.
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Was this at RAF Hendon?
Do let me know. I loved my visit to that museum some years ago.
This is a British Bristol F.2 1st world war fighter, aka "Brisfit" or "Biff".
The British Royal Flying Corps flew this two-seat biplane fighter and recce aircraft.

Military aircraft would not have a VT registration.
In any case, even civil aircraft of WW1 vintage would not have a VT registration.

The pic is from the museum at RAF Hendon at Colindale, London, England.

Its solid design kept it in military service into the 1930s.
Surplus aircraft were popular aerobatics flyers in civil aviation.

Note that the machine gun shoots through the propeller disk, so there was some serious synchronization engineering technique to prevent the gun shooting the wooden propeller off.

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This is a British Bristol F.2 1st world war fighter, aka "Brisfit" or "Biff".
The British Royal Flying Corps flew this two-seat biplane fighter and recce aircraft.

Military aircraft would not have a VT registration.
In any case, even civil aircraft of WW1 vintage would not have a VT registration.

The pic is from the museum at RAF Hendon at Colindale, London, England.

Its solid design kept it in military service into the 1930s.
Surplus aircraft were popular aerobatics flyers in civil aviation.

Note that the machine gun shoots through the propeller disk, so there was some serious synchronization engineering technique to prevent the gun shooting the wooden propeller off.

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A small correction. This is a de Havilland DH9A, a medium bomber. The type also saw service in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) of India.
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This is a British Bristol F.2 1st world war fighter, aka "Brisfit" or "Biff".
The British Royal Flying Corps flew this two-seat biplane fighter and recce aircraft.

Military aircraft would not have a VT registration.
In any case, even civil aircraft of WW1 vintage would not have a VT registration.

The pic is from the museum at RAF Hendon at Colindale, London, England.

Its solid design kept it in military service into the 1930s.
Surplus aircraft were popular aerobatics flyers in civil aviation.

Note that the machine gun shoots through the propeller disk, so there was some serious synchronization engineering technique to prevent the gun shooting the wooden propeller off.

Ram
The aircraft could be an FE2 B. They were two seater recce aircraft used for low level spotting over the ' enemy lines'. Those were Vickers machine guns. Special timing gear to prevent shooting the airscrew off. Also was the case in the Sopwith Camels and Sopwith Pups of that era. Did you see those too at Hendon?
When I went there, I got a pic taken near the Supermarine Spitfire which is in the grounds. There was a man there with his vintage Jag XK 120 of which also I took a pic.

My information comes courtesy a steady diet of Capt. W.E. Johns 'Biggles' books most of which I read while young and most of which I ve managed to collect over these last thirty odd years...
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A small correction. This is a de Havilland DH9A, a medium bomber. The type also saw service in the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) of India.
Just so we don't have to debate the aircraft's identity any more

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http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research...-havilland-9a/

If anyone needs to read the entire Biggles series, please feel free to come to my humble abode and browse.......along with The Famous Five & Hardy Boys! Lunch or Dinner will be served.

And by the way, the Germans came up with a more ingenious way than the British "Interruptor Gear" to avoid shooting your own propeller off - they had the Spandau shoot through the propeller boss

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Guess these cars is old Hyderabad-Deccan...i can provide names of the buildings where they are parked. Cheers!
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Guess these cars is old Hyderabad-Deccan...i can provide names of the buildings where they are parked. Cheers!
I'm guessing the last one is Ritz Hotel?
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Guess these cars is old Hyderabad-Deccan...i can provide names of the buildings where they are parked. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing these lovely period pictures.

Cant figure out the locations of the first two but the last one is known to me very well.

Thats the house of the late architect M Fayazuddin. It was on the road that connects Road No 10 and 11 on Banjara Hills. Its gone now and there is this monstrosity of an HSBC building in its place.

Mr.Fayazudding was the state architect and was the designer of a number of buildings in Hyderabad like the SBH Head Office on Abid Road, Gandhi Bhavan and the Ravindra Bharati complex among many others.

His house was also a very impressive design, you can see by the self supporting circular gateway built entirely of stone blocks.

He was a dear family friend and a connoissuer of the great Hyderabadi Qawali. Many a performance of Aziz Ahmed happened within those walls.

He and my grandad would get into a state of intoxcication listning to the music and would do crazy things like rolling on the floor, this was called a state of "haal" in those day. Cant say this happens in todays times.

His Dodge convertible is parked just by the steps to the main door.
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Thats the house of the late architect M Fayazuddin. It was on the road that connects Road No 10 and 11 on Banjara Hills. Its gone now and there is this monstrosity of an HSBC building in its place.

His house was also a very impressive design, you can see by the self supporting circular gateway built entirely of stone blocks.

He and my grandad would get into a state of intoxcication listning to the music and would do crazy things like rolling on the floor, this was called a state of "haal" in those day. Cant say this happens in todays times.

His Dodge convertible is parked just by the steps to the main door.
I guess a similar state happens in Discos these days! Maybe even somethimg more!

A pity the house is no more around! It wouldve been such a significant one!

Do you know if the Dodge was an imported/LHD one?
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