"Random Play" and Pioneer HUs - Page 3 - Team-BHP

vebmetal · 4th March 2008, 10:59

^ Deralte, with that line of thinking, ipods and DAPs would never have been invented. Walkmans would have done the trick. Your criticism would be appropriate iff I was one single weirdo that doesn't like some feature that 99% of people like. But in this case it is exactly the opposite. I am criticizing Pioneer for messing up a feature which is there all across the board on all sorts of hardware and software based mp3 players.

Secondly, I also come from exactly where you are coming from. It's about listening to the music. And this feature really hampers my listening experience. If for example ithe HU is playing a Metallica track, and I hit Next (with Random On) I want it to go to a non-Metallica track, and not the next Metallica track!!

Why is it hard to understand that to go to the next sequential track when Random is on is:

contradictory
counter-productive
contrary to market standards

Why is it hard to understand this? I don't care for the technological reasons (ROM etc.) If 99% of players can implement this, I don't see why Pioneer cannot.

And let's stop eluding, Deralte. Name one mainstream commercially available mp3 player that does what I contend Pioneer HUs do stupidly, i.e. go to the next sequential track when you hit next while Random/Shuffle is on. I'll name a few that don't - Apple iPods, Creative Zens, inexpensive flash based players (e.g. Transcend), Microsoft Zune. Tried and Tested. You just name one.

alto99 · 4th March 2008, 12:43

I agree with you vebmetal. The feature is so intuitive in todays mp3 player world and I wonder how Pioneer guys have missed it.
I feel another feature or rather product they (or for that matter even others) have missed is the mp3 cd changer.

vebmetal · 8th March 2008, 03:55

Someone using a HU that is not Pioneer please report on whether the random function behaves in other HUs in a similar manner or not!!!!!!

abhibh · 8th March 2008, 07:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by vebmetal

Someone using a HU that is not Pioneer please report on whether the random function behaves in other HUs in a similar manner or not!!!!!!

Used JVC, Sony and even friends kenwood and when u press the nex button it will go to next random song. All these players have the folllowing randomization options:

1. RND FLD - Will play random files within 1 folder
2. RND DSC - Will play random files from the whole disc no matter it has 30 folders.

vebmetal · 8th March 2008, 11:37

^ And that is what I would have expected from Pioneer!! My mistake in assuming something so basic would be there.

But do confirm whether this exists when playing mp3s off a USB pendrive as well.

abhibh · 8th March 2008, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by vebmetal

But do confirm whether this exists when playing mp3s off a USB pendrive as well.

In Sony and JVC it is working. Dunno about kenwood as the player is only CD MP3/WMA/AAC.

But i will check it again within a day or 2.

praveen_v · 9th March 2008, 19:33

How about the Alpine HU's? How do they play in the random mode??

vebmetal · 11th March 2008, 14:04

No updates :(

20chars

NetfreakBombay · 11th March 2008, 14:53

Did you try this script ? http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/produc...tml#post743867 ("Random Play" and Pioneer HUs)

gunbir · 12th March 2008, 17:38

Guys

today I happened to check this out. I used an 80gb iPod which has over 30gb of MP3 and WMA music in over 100 folders. I used the standard USB iPod cable.

The HU was able to detect and start playing the first track within 10 sec. I went through folders upto 140 something folders. I tried different bitrates in MP3 and also tried WMA VBR Q98 files. All played without any issues.

I also tried their random play feature. It lets you do a "FLDR RDM" folder random play where it basically shuffles within a folder. Then there is also a disc random play which does the same but inter-folder.

Quite nice for a 4.5k HU.

Technocrat · 12th March 2008, 17:44

Does it do random when manual selecting next track?

NetfreakBombay · 12th March 2008, 18:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunbir

Quite nice for a 4.5k HU.

Hei,

Which HU is this, is it 4050 ?
(asking because I am looking for a HU and curious about prices)

abhibh · 12th March 2008, 18:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by NetfreakBombay

Hei,

Which HU is this, is it 4050 ?
(asking because I am looking for a HU and curious about prices)

It is Kenwood 4036/436U
Kenwood Corporation | Car Electroics | 1DIN Receivers | KDC-MP4036U

NetfreakBombay · 12th March 2008, 18:57

cool..

one more option in my list (other then Pioneer)

gunbir · 12th March 2008, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Technocrat

Does it do random when manual selecting next track?

Yes. I guess I should have been more explicit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abhibh

It is Kenwood 4036/436U
Kenwood Corporation | Car Electroics | 1DIN Receivers | KDC-MP4036U

Yup, thats the one. I have it in mom's car and its a really nice HU. Lets you do separate HPF for front and rear. That helps when you have different sized speakers, like the front 4" coax ser is HPF at 100Hz and the rear 5.25" coax set is HPF at 80Hz.

Besides, it sounds fabulous.

4th March 2008, 10:59	#31 (permalink)
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 675	^ Deralte, with that line of thinking, ipods and DAPs would never have been invented. Walkmans would have done the trick. Your criticism would be appropriate iff I was one single weirdo that doesn't like some feature that 99% of people like. But in this case it is exactly the opposite. I am criticizing Pioneer for messing up a feature which is there all across the board on all sorts of hardware and software based mp3 players. Secondly, I also come from exactly where you are coming from. It's about listening to the music. And this feature really hampers my listening experience. If for example ithe HU is playing a Metallica track, and I hit Next (with Random On) I want it to go to a non-Metallica track, and not the next Metallica track!! Why is it hard to understand that to go to the next sequential track when Random is on is: contradictory counter-productive contrary to market standards Why is it hard to understand this? I don't care for the technological reasons (ROM etc.) If 99% of players can implement this, I don't see why Pioneer cannot. And let's stop eluding, Deralte. Name one mainstream commercially available mp3 player that does what I contend Pioneer HUs do stupidly, i.e. go to the next sequential track when you hit next while Random/Shuffle is on. I'll name a few that don't - Apple iPods, Creative Zens, inexpensive flash based players (e.g. Transcend), Microsoft Zune. Tried and Tested. You just name one. __________________ People who talk in metaphors ought to shampoo my crotch. -Jack Nicholson As Good as It Gets (1997)

8th March 2008, 03:55	#33 (permalink)
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 675	Someone using a HU that is not Pioneer please report on whether the random function behaves in other HUs in a similar manner or not!!!!!! __________________ People who talk in metaphors ought to shampoo my crotch. -Jack Nicholson As Good as It Gets (1997)

8th March 2008, 11:37	#35 (permalink)
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 675	^ And that is what I would have expected from Pioneer!! My mistake in assuming something so basic would be there. But do confirm whether this exists when playing mp3s off a USB pendrive as well. __________________ People who talk in metaphors ought to shampoo my crotch. -Jack Nicholson As Good as It Gets (1997)

9th March 2008, 19:33	#37 (permalink)
praveen_v BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chennai Posts: 295	How about the Alpine HU's? How do they play in the random mode?? __________________ Anyone driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac. ~Author Unknown

11th March 2008, 14:04	#38 (permalink)
vebmetal BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 675	No updates :( 20chars __________________ People who talk in metaphors ought to shampoo my crotch. -Jack Nicholson As Good as It Gets (1997)

4th March 2008, 12:43	#32 (permalink)
alto99 BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Pune Posts: 51	I agree with you vebmetal. The feature is so intuitive in todays mp3 player world and I wonder how Pioneer guys have missed it. I feel another feature or rather product they (or for that matter even others) have missed is the mp3 cd changer.

11th March 2008, 14:53	#39 (permalink)
NetfreakBombay BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 250	Did you try this script ? http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/produc...tml#post743867 ("Random Play" and Pioneer HUs)

12th March 2008, 17:38	#40 (permalink)
gunbir Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New Delhi Posts: 2,194	Kenwood 4036U Guys today I happened to check this out. I used an 80gb iPod which has over 30gb of MP3 and WMA music in over 100 folders. I used the standard USB iPod cable. The HU was able to detect and start playing the first track within 10 sec. I went through folders upto 140 something folders. I tried different bitrates in MP3 and also tried WMA VBR Q98 files. All played without any issues. I also tried their random play feature. It lets you do a "FLDR RDM" folder random play where it basically shuffles within a folder. Then there is also a disc random play which does the same but inter-folder. Quite nice for a 4.5k HU. __________________ Stuck in my head - Goldspot - Rewind

12th March 2008, 17:44	#41 (permalink)
Technocrat Team-BHP Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Pune Posts: 3,411 View My Garage	Does it do random when manual selecting next track? __________________ 180, 225, 150, ??? -> 159?

12th March 2008, 18:57	#44 (permalink)
NetfreakBombay BHPian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Bombay Posts: 250	cool.. one more option in my list (other then Pioneer)

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