The Top ICE Amplifiers Discussion Thread

[Autophile]

Originally Posted by sk456

Unfortunatey Copper series requires that you use them active ( I think )

TRU Coppers will not have any crossovers only Independent Gains. How ever they will be available in following versions :

The power amp section remains same (250W X 4) (750W X 2 Bridged on SS version) but preamp differs.

C74HT - Tube preamp section, No Bridging Possible

C74SS - Solid State preamp with Burr Brown opamps, Bridgeable

C74DS - Direct module, no preamp, hence purest signal. No bridging. However you need Line Driver to drive the output stages of the amplifier.

[navin]

Originally Posted by sk456

BBW are True Tech Distributors ..

You mean Jasdeep Brar (our very own Autophile) and Gunbir? Wow!

[greenhorn]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Vairy interesting!

Wouldn't the "stereo separation" (in dB) be still a valid parameter even if the amp is "dual mono" (a very creative expression, one has to admit)? No matter how small the figure is, it is difficult to visualize "cross-talk" not affecting any kind of electronic circuit unless each channel is 6-sides isolated end-to-end in the box.

Even I was wondering the same thing, When you have >100W amps with >100 dB S/N , as long as they live on the same PCB, without any sort of EM shielding between sections ( i didn't see any in the pic) there should be some cross talk, certainly not nil.

[Autophile]

Agreed.

Steel series do have independent traces on the PCB along with power supplies. The crosstalk will be very less. Remember you are looking at 42K amplifier.

[low_bass_makker]

Originally Posted by Autophile

LBM, its a Dual Mono .

Dual mono design is like having two seperate amplifiers hence the so called seperation number does not apply.

Originally Posted by navin

seperate power supplies too?

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Wouldn't the "stereo separation" (in dB) be still a valid parameter even if the amp is "dual mono" (a very creative expression, one has to admit)? No matter how small the figure is, it is difficult to visualize "cross-talk" not affecting any kind of electronic circuit unless each channel is 6-sides isolated end-to-end in the box.

I was thinking on the same lines. Even if it is a dual mono the chassis is the same. There is no way that there will zero cross talk.

Here is Steg Class A amp specs.



And it is a Dual-Mono design.

[low_bass_makker]

Originally Posted by Autophile

Agreed.

Steel series do have independent traces on the PCB along with power supplies. The crosstalk will be very less. Remember you are looking at 42K amplifier.

Does cost has to do something with cross talk ?

[sk456]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

I was thinking on the same lines. Even if it is a dual mono the chassis is the same. There is no way that there will zero cross talk.

Here is Steg MSK 50 SC amp specs.



And it is a Dual-Mono design.

Do you represnt Steg LBM ? It seems that you do. You seem to jsut whiz out a STEG spec whnever anyone else talks about any other brand . Please let us all know if you do as many members are keen on buying STEG amps.

[navin]

Originally Posted by Autophile

.Steel series ... Remember you are looking at 42K amplifier.

Is that for 2 channels or 4? What power?

[Autophile]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

I was thinking on the same lines. Even if it is a dual mono the chassis is the same. There is no way that there will zero cross talk.

Here is Steg MSK 50 SC amp specs.

And it is a Dual-Mono design.

The TRU Steel is for 42K. And even masterstroke is Dual mono in the same chassis.

Here are some more Dual Mono's

Genesis Dual Mono



Genesis Dual Mono Extreme




Genesis Dual Mono Class A



Specs

[navin]

Originally Posted by sk456

Do you represnt Steg LBM ? It seems that you do. You seem to jsut whiz out a STEG spec whnever anyone else talks about any other brand . Please let us all know if you do as many members are keen on buying STEG amps.

I believe that B&T (Bass & Trouble) represents Steg. LBM is just a Google-Meister.

[Autophile]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Does cost has to do something with cross talk ?

Yes it does. Else why would people spend money on expensive amplifiers. Its just not power you get with expensive amplifiers. The S/N ration, Seperation, Slew Rate, Damping Factor, Current output numbers also increases.

For specs Navin refer to my post no 16 here (The Top ICE Amplifiers Discussion Thread)

[low_bass_makker]

Originally Posted by sk456

Do you represnt Steg LBM ? It seems that you do. You seem to jsut whiz out a STEG spec whnever anyone else talks about any other brand . Please let us all know if you do as many members are keen on buying STEG amps.

Simple. I own them. Not one but Three.

Originally Posted by navin

Is that for 2 channels or 4? What power?

Does both the amps costs 42k ?

[BHAGWAN]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Simple. I own them. Not one but Three.

I have been 'saddled' with 7' so far.

However, I do not even know 1/20th of what you know about the amps. Way to go !!! Keep the flag of Steg 'flying' high !!!

Do you represnt Steg LBM ? It seems that you do. You seem to jsut whiz out a STEG spec whnever anyone else talks about any other brand . Please let us all know if you do as many members are keen on buying STEG amps.

That is great news. Let the steg community grow !!!

[Autophile]

Originally Posted by low_bass_makker

Does both the amps costs 42k ?

S44 4 Channel= 42K
S500 Mono = 42K

[Autophile]

For people whom Crosstalk matters a lot. And need true Dual Mono Solution. Use 2 X TRU S500. Thats 2 X 325W (4 ohms) / 500W (2ohms) pure dual mono for 84K.

FYI TRU S500 is full bandwith mono amplifier. Unlike majority of mono amplifier with limited bandwidth