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Old 3rd September 2016, 19:07   #226
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I am proud owner of Duke 200 (My2016 model). Coming from HH Splendor to KTM Duke is completely a new world for me.

KTM bikes are mean machines and has provided sports bike feel at a much affordable cost to many enthusiasts like me. Itís a world class product manufactured in India. Thank you Bajaj.

Do you think this perception is only about KTM bikes?
No love here for KTM bikers, the moment I hear the "sputter" of a KTM bike approaching, I brace myself for a risky stunt, to be undertaken by the fellow, from an almost impossible gap.

I don't know, what happens to guy when they start riding a KTM, maybe they were never exposed to such power earlier, that it gets to their heads.

They leave absolutely no margin for error, wonder where does this feeling of invincibility comes from.

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Old 17th September 2016, 23:04   #227
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I don't think the problem is with the bike
Agree

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To me, it looks like pretty much all bikers with high capacity engines go faster than 99% of the traffic.
It's basically down to having much superior acceleration and brakes than rest of the traffic. !
Itís not only with going fast. One can go fast and still follow the traffic rules. If you have the power, off course you are going to use it.

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And yes, it does involve weaving through traffic. I guess this makes it look like rash driving for a casual observer.
Interesting point and that makes sense.

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Fourthly, these bikes are so well poised, so well balanced yet on-point and ready to rare their heads and charge forward, that they instill confidence in the rider and confidence is not always matched with skill
Exactly my point. Some of the bikers donít care about skills but will do crazy things. Itís really shocking to see bikers without basic riding gear.

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Could also be due to their unique presence.
To a bike noob like me, all black bikes look the same. But a KTM Duke stands out due to its orange wheels + chassis. Therefore, they get noticed more than the others.
Itís true that the Orange theme stands out from the crowd.

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In narrow lanes, I agree with your comment. It is quite dangerous and irritating to see such behaviors, but on highways remember if everyone follow lane discipline, no high speed rider (with sense) will overtake on the wrong side or tail gate at higher speeds. Most irritating scene I experience everyday is a biker driving at less than 40kmph on the right most lane (or sometimes in the middle of road)
Again it comes down to safe riding

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When it comes to KTM or powerful bikes, I see them reckless especially when a girl is behind. I observe this mainly because there are many colleges in my locality.
Donít agree completely. Most likely to happen irrespective of the vehicle.

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Good and valid topic to discuss.

I think the fact of pricing and offering rediculous amount of power creates such a image, and when it falls in wrong hands, creates a perfect receipe for disaster. And Yes, Public think KTM and Reckless driving have a relation.

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In my opinion any vehicle can be driven in a rash manner. Be it a moped, bike, car, bus, lorry and at least in Bangalore-even JCB's.

It is just that some vehicles are more suited to be driven rashly if the person driving/riding is not mature/knowledgeable enough to handle the parameters the vehicle provides. This could be pure power and torque, nimbleness, sheer size or anything else.

So any vehicle that satisfies at least 2 or more of these parameters has more chances to be driven rashly. A KTM falls into this category and combined with its unique looks (which makes it more noticeable) leads to a generalization.
KTM is one of the best bike available in India for sure.
Net net, itís the person who is riding the bike who needs to think of others and self as well.

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I don't know, what happens to guy when they start riding a KTM, maybe they were never exposed to such power earlier, that it gets to their heads.
Do ride a KTM once to get the experience if not done already.


Thanks all for your replies. Really appreciate
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Old 29th November 2016, 15:36   #228
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Lastly, as an owner of the RC390 (a bike that receives the most of of such flak), in my experience, unlike the 200s, the 390 performs very poorly at low or cruising speeds. The gearshifts are clunky at low speeds, fueling is choppy under 6k revs (might have changed with the new ride by wire tech), engine braking is extremely high due to the heavy piston and high compression ratio. As soon as you wring the throttle open, everything comes into its own; the fueling is precise, you appreciate the engine braking, gearshifts are spot on, you go tak, tak, tak as the rev counter chases the red-line. The other aspect is the Metzeler sportec M5s they inspire dollops of confidence as well and with the sharper rake the bike has a very knife edged nature to it and is not as forgiving as other bikes can be. Not to mention the fact that the bikes heat up unless ridden at a relatively higher pace.



I own a duke 390. Yes in low speeds it's not rideable and also speeds above 70gives better mileage for me. So sometimes I forget my decision to ride slowly and move to 70kmph. Also at 70 it looks sane to me from by bike. But insane for other bikers who will be around 40-50.

Also that weird look, Orange colour and share auto sound makes it an eyeball magnet 😂

I crashed on 1 Aug because front alloy cracked while riding and my friends where like "I thought to say you before, KTM means death" 😐
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From your post, it is not the biker's fault, so how does we avoid such situation, which we constantly face in the highways?

The longer the vehicle the more the blind spot area.
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If I have read the OPs post correctly it seems that the rider was in the extreme right fast lane which the trailer chose to cut into without signaling. It is possible that he was trying to overtake the trailer which is often a reasonable move i.e. fall back/overtake a bigger vehicle instead of riding alongside. Honestly, in our conditions, riding on highways is a proposition fraught with risks. The only way to cut risk out is to stop riding altogether.
Trying to reply at a more appropriate thread.

Few of us can't stop riding, I would rather be killed on the road than be killed everyday thinking about bikes & riding.

We have to accept that such a heavy and long trailer will not change lanes on will. Though sometimes, the trailer does change because it wishes to be in fast lane to avoid constant honking from faster vehicles and wishes to chug along peacefully.

Appears, there might be something which made him change lanes as part of anticipation, animal, cyclist or a parked vehicle at some distance, could be anything. Of course, we as riders are vulnerable, so unless and until the coast is clear, one should refrain from going ahead. Watching the traffic ahead, anticipating, looking at the vehicle's front wheels for steering movement, watching passengers who have alighted from a bus, can be anything. On a recent ride, a friend was about to hit a dog who suddenly appeared from the road divider [amongst the bushes], there would have been no mistakes from the rider's end but if anything unfortunate would have happened, it would have been a heavy price to pay, considering he was a surgeon and it was his first proper ride, only solace was, he was properly kitted from head to toe and that the ABS on that day did make a difference.

While I can't go to a track to ride for leisure, I prefer hills to ride, less and disciplined traffic and you can have the most fun on a public road.
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We have to accept that such a heavy and long trailer will not change lanes on will. Though sometimes, the trailer does change because it wishes to be in fast lane to avoid constant honking from faster vehicles and wishes to chug along peacefully.
on the hindsight, other than using blinkers, loud horns etc; , may be it would have been better to overtake from the left side in case of such long vehicles as there would be considerable run away area to the left side than just nil to the right side.

so in case the vehicle changes lane, we have still have enough space.
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We have to accept that such a heavy and long trailer will not change lanes on will.
I would also like to give benefit of doubt to the trailer. It generally helps if one lines up behind such trailers, gives an indication by using either horn or flashing lights, wait for acknowledgement and then quickly complete the pass.

I have also observed that trucks generally do not make sudden lane changes unless something surprising comes up.

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may be it would have been better to overtake from the left side in case of such long vehicles as there would be considerable run away area to the left side than just nil to the right side.
Unless the trucks are in right-most lane ensuring that they expect all overtakes to happen from left, I would prefer right-side overtake over left. During the overtake, if the truck driver observes something to his right, he might also be tempted to move to left assuming adequate run-off to the left. Also, I guess the blind-spot on left would be larger than the one on right.
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Old 28th January 2018, 21:58   #233
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Hi

Does anybody know someone who lives at Dwarka and who is good at bike riding? I am looking for a motorcycle coach for safe riding motorcycle training.

Thanks!

Mod Note: Please avoiding posting the same content or queries on multiple threads.

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Dear Riders,

I suspect all on Team BHP wear helmets while riding. This is to share a different perspective with all with regard to helmets. As you know all military pilots wear helmets while flying be it a supersonic fighter or a 250 shp piston engine trainer or our trusty Alouette III chopper that tops out at ~ 200 kmph. The chance of that military pilot needing the safety of the helmet per kms flown is most probably less than the chance that a rider will need it on India's roads per kms driven. By needing a helmet I am including all fairly risky situations on the road and not just the ones leading to a casualty.

In 2016 we had 4.81 lakh accidents (not counting the innumerable near misses) in which 1.51 lakh and lots their lives and another 4.95 lakh were injured. The actual injured could be higher given that not every injured situation gets recorded. Interestingly 46% of those killed are in the age group of 18 to 35. I little over 1.8 million have suffered road related deaths since 2005.

Delhi had 1591 deaths in 2016 against just under 10 million registered vehicles. UK in 2016 had 1792 deaths with 37.5 million vehicles.

Ride safe.
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