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Old 12th January 2018, 12:05   #25471
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Bad parenting.
I have few questions:-

1) Can we claim insurance in these kind of accidents?(driver-less accidents)
2) If so, What will be the driver's name to put on that claim form? (not talking about owner's name)
3) Had it been a fatal case, who would have become guilty, legally? (Bad parenting I agreed, but can anyone sue him/her/them for it?).
4) Father or Mother? (or both!?), based on the facts, how far it is easy to punish him/her/them legally?
5) Will the property damage be covered under third party liability clause?

If the case is not covered, then under which clause? is it this clause will play the role? "Not taking proper care"

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Old 12th January 2018, 12:26   #25472
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Witnessed this during my 2017 Leh trip at Ghata loops on Manali - Leh Highway.

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Old 12th January 2018, 13:12   #25473
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I am more surprised by the amount of tint on the first car of the picture!! How is the Police allowing it in Mumbai. I have no hopes for Pune on this regards. I have seen tints on the windshield as well
Bhai, I have seen cars in Mumbai have dambar type of tints and they are in free reign, mostly these cars have stickers of political parties, number plates written in Marathi and they roam around like they don't care and they are never stopped too.

This is how gunda raj works in this country!
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Old 12th January 2018, 13:32   #25474
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I will base this on a comparison between Linea and my BIL's Baleno.

I cannot comment on VW Punto Golf or even Punto, not checked.
Was talking about the rear end as a whole, like in the picture below, in case of well built hatchbacks, rear doesn't have any crumple zone, instead all the force gets transferred. If we consider poorly built car, it's a different story!

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Old 12th January 2018, 13:55   #25475
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I have come to really understand and appreciate why the Germans really harp about their build quality.

I have been shuffling between my bro's I20 and a friends Baleno from about 10 days now. For me, any vehicle I drive/ride is an extension of myself, and is my second nature to keep it clean. So I ensure I at least wipe (if not wash) the cars.
The roof of both Baleno and I20 literally feels like a thin aluminium sheet in comparison to my GT's!! Even the hood, the boot, everything feels really flimsy in comparison.

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Team BHP review of latest verna gives these figures of weight of the cars(manual petrol) Verna2017(1143kg):City(1058):Ciaz(1010):Rapid(1111 ):Vento(1126):Fiat(1192):Verna2011(1171)

Elite I20(1018):Polo(1033):swift(960):EtiosLiva(895):Pun toEVO(1095):Bolt(1095):SailUVA(1065):Jazz(1007):Ba leno(865):Figo(977)

Any comments and clarification whether kerb weight can be used as a function of Built(not finish)?

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Old 12th January 2018, 17:07   #25476
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Any comments and clarification whether kerb weight can be used as a function of Built(not finish)?
Its not the sheet thickness but the engineering that went into putting it together. A simple example will be paper folded to a fan fold can support a smart phone but without, it cannot support anything. Normally this needs to be done at places that requires. Much like a very very complicated corrugated box, made of 5 or 7 sheets of paper but a person can sometimes sit or stand on it.

Example: The folds give the sheet way more strength
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Strengthening a car is also a very similar process, by bending metal and adding extra bits to make them stronger in areas. The sheet thickness also varies depending on the requirement. However this will result in the car gaining some weight.

Sheet metal thickness will only impact the sheer strength, that is when the metal is cut through and not folded.

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Old 13th January 2018, 05:52   #25477
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I don't understand if you are saying that a parcel tray should withstand force? It would take people's heads off.
In a severe impact it will eventually be the seat of the Linea too, however the seat rests on a thick metal sheet side supports along with the THICK metal parcel tray in comparison to the Baleno's flimsy cardboard.

I hope you know what I mean. SHEET Metal. "Heavy Metal"

I have not described it very well earlier but pictures speak a thousand words.





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Aprilia SR 150 automatic scooter crash
One of the first reported crashes of the sporty Aprilia SR150 automatic scooter.
A Tata Tiago hatchback is said to have hit the Aprilia SR 150, resulting in extensive damage to the scooter. After hitting the Aprilia scooter, the Tiago has gone on to collide into an electric pole, and this can be seen in the image above. The driver and passenger airbags of the Tiago have deployed, and the impact on the windscreen shows that the person in the passenger seat of the car may not have been wearing a seatbelt. Itís not clear as to why exactly the Tiago hit the Aprilia.

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A lorry's trailer overturned yesterday morning due to a high-speed turn near VR Mall in Surat.

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Lack of signages + absence of barricades + a drunk driver = disaster.

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Old 13th January 2018, 12:54   #25481
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I have come to really understand and appreciate why the Germans really harp about their build quality.

I have been shuffling between my bro's I20 and a friends Baleno from about 10 days now. For me, any vehicle I drive/ride is an extension of myself, and is my second nature to keep it clean. So I ensure I at least wipe (if not wash) the cars.
The roof of both Baleno and I20 literally feels like a thin aluminium sheet in comparison to my GT's!! Even the hood, the boot, everything feels really flimsy in comparison.

My biggest gripe however, is the After Sales Support. ONLY if VW's A.S.S was half as good as Hyundai's or Maruti's !!
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Its not the sheet thickness but the engineering that went into putting it together. A simple example will be paper folded to a fan fold can support a smart phone but without, it cannot support anything. Normally this needs to be done at places that requires. Much like a very very complicated corrugated box, made of 5 or 7 sheets of paper but a person can sometimes sit or stand on it.


Attached simple experiment pic. A phone cantilevered on a fluted copier sheet

Strengthening a car is also a very similar process, by bending metal and adding extra bits to make them stronger in areas. The sheet thickness also varies depending on the requirement. However this will result in the car gaining some weight.

Sheet metal thickness will only impact the sheer strength, that is when the metal is cut through and not folded.

I was alluding to the first quote. It has been sheet metal thickness of Germans when compared to other manufacturers,the talking point. But except for Maruti and Toyota others are well ahead in the Metal part(as per weight). Our perception of Fiat cars being heavy is well made out
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If we see Hyundai cars - they are nearly as heavy as the germans and in metallurgical expertise Hyundai, Mitsubishi etc., have more experienced as they build Ships,Containers, Rail coaches and Constructions.
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If we see Hyundai cars - they are nearly as heavy as the germans and in metallurgical expertise Hyundai, Mitsubishi etc., have more experienced as they build Ships,Containers, Rail coaches and Constructions.
The Japs/Korean OEMs may have more experience/expertise, but the European OEMs (driven by its higher safety conscious people ultimately) have the stronger will/higher prioritization towards safety and that makes them design stronger built and safer cars (in most cases).
Even the Jap/Korean cars got heavier and engineered towards higher safety levels in the course of their evolution in order to meet the more stringent Euro regulations to be able to sell in that market.

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The Japs/Korean OEMs may have more experience/expertise, but the European OEMs (driven by its higher safety conscious people ultimately) have the stronger will/higher prioritization towards safety and that makes them design stronger built and safer cars (in most cases).
All carmakers, be it Japs or European, have only one aim: make money.

The western world is full of regulations, laws, class action lawsuits and whatnot, which forces the carmakers to add some features to their cars mandatorily.

So let us not be under the mistaken impression that the European and American carmakers are the messiahs who care two hoots about what happened to the occupants of their cars. If they do, it's because they are forced to, not because they love to.
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The western world is full of regulations, laws, class action lawsuits and whatnot, which forces the carmakers to add some features to their cars mandatorily.

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Agree, all these regulations come into existence because of the higher safety awareness level of the people which is why I mentioned that it is people (society) driven in my post.

If we as a society don't care or are largely unaware about our own safety and don't demand safer cars (by regulation or sales), most manufacturers will continue to exploit and dump flimsy unsafe cars in our market to maximize their profits
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I guess the reason for all those regulations is there a person can sue the government too. Everybody plays safe.

Not to disagree with your inherent statement that safety consciousness is high amongst some of the manufacturers, only I believe the reason behind it is still commercial.

When the government implements similar reforms here, such as making ABS mandatory, airbags mandatory we shall see Indian models too adhere to those norms.
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