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Old 9th May 2007, 18:44   #91
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Conf. On Skype Now. Please Hold Your Horses Or Join Us On Skype.
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Hello Vik.
WE are planning to start on 11th August (Saturday) morning from Delhi. You can start your trip a little later and join us.
Since you will be carrying your babies with you in your vehicle nobody is going to have any objection. However we do not know wether the hotels we will stay in allow your labs!
I am planning to start for Leh on 5th morning and come back by 15-16th as i need one hand a half day drive from delhi to reach Hyderabad. Would love to be with you guys, august is far, let us see if i can delay by a few day then i will join you guys.

I have Innova G4 and I think should be good enough for the road to leh.
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ANother map :

this map shows the road to khardungla (north of leh) and road to pangong (see south of leh, and then the road going east to chang la and finally pangong lake)



@whatcanthisbe : that is why i curious how can the sensor sense black ice. here is a pic of Black ice:



Black ice occurs when temp goes down a lot at night and the water on the road or from the melting ice freezes. The layer is almost invisible but once the vehicle starts skidding , you know you are on it.

The marks in the pic above are from two bikes which skidded and fell on black ice. this was between kufri and fagu on nh-22 in dec 2004. I have seen cars to loosing it on Black ice. one needs to be extra careful

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Bunny, Its very easy for cars to lose it on black ice ... and u dont need to be a bad driver to be able to pull that of !! For one .. specially if it comes after a dry stretch -- as ur speed is faster and when u realise u r on ice u tend to tap the brake and thats all it takes to go spinning !!!

And I too wonder how the gadget senses black ice ...... !!!

But guys ... a list that detailed aint required !!! ;-)
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bunny that is what i mean all black ice sensors are ext temp sensors and warn you of a danger of black ice that is all .... and it gets worse at night ...
i have seen / experienced plenty of black ice not fun at all

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Ok Me and steer got together on Skype worked out a schedule. Its almost same as what was being discussed before with slight changes

Day 1: 10 Aug Friday, Start from Delhi early evening reach Chandigarh or Ropar by 10pm
If I can arrange for acco in Ropar very good. Ropar is 1.5 hours from chd, and 20 minutes from Kiratpur Sahib, where we start the climb to Manali

Day 2: 11 Aug Sat : Start from chd/Ropar by 5am/6am, reach keylong/Jispa. Drive time 10 hours from chd, 9 hours from Ropar.
Manali is 4-5 hours from chd/Ropar depending upon traffic conditions. This will save one day and less driving time will mean a less tiring. With NHAI constructions in progress, doing Delhi-Manali will be draining.
We will go till either keylong or Jispa depending on where we get comfortable VFM accommodation.

Day 3: 12 Aug Sun: Keylong - Leh. 11 hours of tough driving
This is the hard part. Expect AMS to hit at Sarchu, hopefully we will spend lesser time at very high altitudes.

Day 4: 13 Aug Mon : See Leh and surroundings
Get Permit work done too, and most importantly get some sleep early

Day 5: 14 Aug Tue: Go to the Pangong lake and come back before nightfall.
Have to start early. Previous day's rest should do good. Be back by nighfall

Day 6: 15 Aug Wed Khardungla etc.,
This will also be a little easy day with surrounding sight seeting, back before nightfall

Day 7 : 16 Aug thursday Leh - Keylong
Hard riding again, and then a good nights sleep

Day 8 : 17 Aug Friday : Keylong - Delhi etc.,
Total time in 15 hours, with latter part on smooth GT road all the way from Ambala to delhi(3.5 hours). Intersted people can stay back at chd to rest and start for delhi next day early morning. Can catch chd evening life on the day too!
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Purrrfect plan. All the very best
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Old 9th May 2007, 23:05   #98
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List of Items

1.Personal use
  • Tents or atleast sleeping bags
  • Medical kit (Complete list to be compiled later)
  • Portable Oxygen
  • Food : Noodles(Atta), Chocolates, Juice(Real etc.,), Water bottles
  • Anti UV sun screen and Good sunglasses
  • Hot water bottle
  • Elastic Crepe Bandages(2 per person, wide type)
2. Car use
  • Shovel
  • Torch - One per car atleast
  • Tyre repair kit
  • Air compressor
  • Jump start kit
  • DC - AC supply(110/220V)
  • Belts and Hoses
  • Fuses and Relays for electrical failure
  • Fluids for car(Engine oil/GBox oil/Brake oil/Battery water)
  • Toolkit with multimeter etc.,
  • If possible one OBD II scanner
  • 30 Liter Fuel can/car
  • Tow ropes
  • Fire extinguisher
4. Clothing
  • Thermal Underwear (the sort described in the posts below)
  • Warm Outerwear.
  • Windcheaters or other weatherproof jackets.
  • Woolen socks
  • Shoes that cover ankles
  • Balaclava (monkey cap) or other protection for head.
  • Gloves - just in case we need to get out and change tyres....
  • Woolen mufflers
  • Woolen Shawl
4. Misc
  • GPS/Navigational aid
  • Digital Thermometer
  • One satellite phone(If possible)
  • Portable radio, one set 2km range ( Lead and Tail car)

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Tanveer, the torch I mentioned can light up an object 200ft away. It is so bright, you can't look at it directly. Running on two AA duracell batteries since Oct 2005.
I just checked my torch and to my surprise found a website address on it. This is it: Welcome To ANDSLITE

It runs 500+ hours on one set of 3 batteries, no wonder it is still on the first set.
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The marks in the pic above are from two bikes which skidded and fell on black ice. this was between kufri and fagu on nh-22 in dec 2004. I have seen cars to loosing it on Black ice. one needs to be extra careful
Black ice is most dangerous when you encounter it in curves. In straight roads, if you don't do anything, you can glide over provided you not are trying to brake. The two wheelers have no prayer. Just keep off the brakes if you happen to drive over black ice or any ice for that matter. One of my friend totalled a rental car on black ice while doing 60mph.
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Black ICE is the reason I do not want to do any stretch after Rohtang after dark.
I did Narkanda this Jan, and after shimla it was all in the dark.
Whenever in doubt I used to slow down to 30, but still at so many places I saw myself sliding. Had to consciously refrain from using brakes. Even at stretches where I was doing 40 on straights I kept the car in second gear so that if I start sliding I can accelerate out of the mess.
Its more of a luck thing. You will slide. Where your slide will take you? Well that depends on luck, the faster you go the more you push your luck.
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This thread should be under Route/Travel queries. Now it is there.
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Will we need snow chains?
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Will we need snow chains?
Snow chains can damage tar roads, not needed and don't think they are allowed either.
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snow chains..nah, i dont think u should be needing them..at the most if u get sorta stuck in snow slush, try lowerin the air pressure in the tyres for traction
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