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Old 6th October 2011, 19:01   #1
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Default A used Ford Ikon 1.8 Diesel?

There is a Ford Ikon 2002 model 1.8 Diesel, The seller is third owner and the ODO reading shows 78000kms.

Condition as per seller:

1. It has back compression problem.
2. Suspension is Good.
3. Tyres can run for another 5k kms.
4. Not came across any major repairs.

Seller is quoting 1.3lacs as he is in a hurry going abroad.

I have not visited and physically checked the car but in the pics it is looking good.

Just want to know any of our BHPians had a look at it. The car is in Aghapura Nampalli Hyderabad.

I used to use a Santro Zipplus earlier it was a zero maintenance vehicle. As this would be my first diesel car, I need our BHPians response on the following queries.

My Queries:

What is Back Compression and how much it would cost to repair?

What would be the general up keep cost of the car like general servicing with oil change?

Are the spares cost high compared to other diesel cars?

Do the car of this age prone to more repairs?

Please help me.

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Old 9th October 2011, 21:03   #2
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There is a Ford Ikon 2002 model 1.8 Diesel, The seller is third owner and the ODO reading shows 78000kms.

Condition as per seller:

1. It has back compression problem.
2. Suspension is Good.
3. Tyres can run for another 5k kms.
4. Not came across any major repairs.
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My Queries:

What is Back Compression and how much it would cost to repair?

What would be the general up keep cost of the car like general servicing with oil change?

Are the spares cost high compared to other diesel cars?

Do the car of this age prone to more repairs?

AFAIK, Back compression suggests the car consumes engine oil, which can be fixed by either complete engine overhaul or replacing pistons rings and some other parts. All this job means major expense. Please get the car checked at a reputed garage(preferably Ford ASC) to evaluate the actual condition of the vehicle.

Ford Ikon 1.8D had the same engine as the Ford Escort. This engine had a reputation of being heavy to maintain. The maintenance costs were also expensive for a car of this price. Performance was nothing great and it was very loud compared to modern CRDI engines.

My Advise is AVOID.
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Default Re: USED 2002 Ford Ikon 1.8 Diesel

AVOID.

A 1.8D Ikon is not a good choice. The 1.8D was under-powered. And even Ford wouldnt have spares for this car.

Look around, and you may get a 1.4D - if you really want a Ikon. Else, you can try for Logan / Maruti's / even a Indigo. These three are atleast current models and you can atleast get spares.

If you really want an Ikon, even a 1.3 petrol will be a better choice. But All Ikons will suffer from lower re-sale value.
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If you really want an Ikon, even a 1.3 petrol will be a better choice.
Avoid the earlier 1.3 Petrol, 1.3 ROCAM was a nice engine with eagerness similar to 1.6 ROCAM. 1.6 was a gem to drive with super low end and midrange, coupled with short gearing, brilliant steering and fun handling this car was huge fun.

All of the Ikons were heavy on pocket compared to Jap/Korean competition. I believe the later 1.4 Diesel from Fiesta was easy on pocket, but this variant sold in really low numbers, so finding a well kept car will be tough + it will be expensive.
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Avoid the 1.8D, if you are on a budget, pick up an Ikon ROCAM 1.3 or 1.6. The 1.8D is sluggish to say the least and will be a pain to maintain due to scarcity of parts.
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@Pavan, one point I have not even touched up on here is that this car is already a 3rd owner. And you have not even checked it.

Also, here's a ownership experience of the 1.8D (in case you have not already checked it):
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...hoas-woes.html (Ikon 1.8D (GT 40) 2 yr Ownership Whoa's!!! and Woes..!!!!!)
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Avoid it,as you will not find its spares easily and add to that the engine is unerpowered and its sluggish and i guess at same price you should buy another car instead of getting this elephant.
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@Pavan: AVOID!

IMO, its the 1.8D and the 1.3 pushrod ones that gave the IKON a very bad maintenance image. ALL.. of them know to me, who have the 1.8D, have experienced the IKON woes!. Well, parts might not be rare, but they are mighty expensive. For example, an Engine overhaul @A.S.S will cost you ~1L. Wait.. isnt that ~80% of the purchase cost?

Well, AFAIK, Back Compression means, the rings are leaking compression. ie, open the oil filler cap and get dual exhaust for your car! One at the back, and one up-front!

EDIT: btw, 1.3 L for a '02 1.8D Ikon which is leaking compression isnt a great deal. I would see somewhere around 80k.

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Default Re: A used Ford Ikon 1.8 Diesel?

Thank you all for the valuable comments.

Considering all the above suggestions I will be away from that car


BTW I have seen a 2007 Ford Ikon 1.3 Rocam Flair.

Quoting Price - 265000, but I am asking for 1.8 lacs as the seller is already a second owner and the ODO shows 60K kms (Also my budget does not permit me beyond 1.8 lacs )

My Queries:
  1. Are the upkeep costs high considering that ford has localised most of the spares?
  2. I may later go for LPG / CNG conversion, so will the engine support the conversion.
  3. Will the availability of spares be a problem in open market.
  4. My running is very minimal may be 100 - 200 kms per month and once in 2 or 3 months a long trip to my native place which is 700 Kms up and down.
  5. I have used the petrol Accent earlier, found it very comfortable and was even pocket friendly as the general service cost including oil change costed me 1500 - 1700. Can I expect the same from this Ikon.
Kindly help me once again.
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Default Re: A used Ford Ikon 1.8 Diesel?

Interestingly, I own the exact same model!


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Are the upkeep costs high considering that ford has localised most of the spares?
Upkeep costs are modest. Nothing that will bother you much, if you keep it well.
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I may later go for LPG / CNG conversion, so will the engine support the conversion.
I advice against it. Some say that with a Sequential closed loop kit, you can have good performance and reliability, but I still advice against it. If you are looking to CNG, then go for a Honda/Maruti/Mitsu... and may be Hyundai. Definitely not the Fiat.
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Will the availability of spares be a problem in open market.
Almost all spares are easily available.
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My running is very minimal may be 100 - 200 kms per month and once in 2 or 3 months a long trip to my native place which is 700 Kms up and down.
A very good car for the purpose.
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Can I expect the same from this Ikon.
Yes, unless you maintain her bad.
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Default Re: A used Ford Ikon 1.8 Diesel?

A 2007 1.3 Rocam - much better than your initial query
Push for it - but do your surveys about prices of similar cars when you talk to him.
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pavan_6818 (A used Ford Ikon 1.8 Diesel?): I may later go for LPG / CNG conversion, so will the engine support the conversion.
dhanushs (A used Ford Ikon 1.8 Diesel?): I advice against it. Some say that with a Sequential closed loop kit, you can have good performance and reliability, but I still advice against it.
For your running, the cost of conversion is not justified. Keep it simple, and keep it stock. Stock is safer, too !
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