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Baleno 98 60.49%
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Old 10th April 2006, 18:39   #226
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What is the solution for this.. dont tell me to raise the car or something like that.. i am suffering from the same thing in my baleno too..
No goddy , its got nothing to do with using spacers .. I would never ever do that .. The solution to this is very simple .. I guess we should talk it over a cup of coffee , maybe even show u how to do it ..

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the city driving condition(in bangalore) I have got 9.2, 8.3 and 7.9 This seems unbelievable but still after 3 readings I am confused.
Venkat , i suggest u get down to LCD over one of the weekend meets .. v1p3r will let u know how to get phenominal FE figures from ur baleno ..
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mclaren .. a little biased toward the baleno are we ???

the real test is on the road ... 1/4 mile drag any1 ???? odds favour the baleno beating the fiesta,no doubt... i wanna know by how much

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Venkat , i suggest u get down to LCD over one of the weekend meets .. v1p3r will let u know how to get phenominal FE figures from ur baleno ..
McLaren, whats LCD ..... i would very happy with 10.5kmpl itself hope i can achieve that.
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Till now what i have heared is that both cars have 0-100 in line 11 point something secs. Maybe balenos is 11.25 and fiestas 11.50 or something like this.

But when it comes to real life how many of us will get these same figures as said by various magazines ? May be 1 or 2 % which have a gr8 / precise gear shifts. So its useless talking about it.

I mean when these cars are not made for racing why do we worry about .25 secs difference. What will happen if i race a guy from chd to delhi and i reach a min late then he does. NOTHING AT ALL. Its better to be safe than worry.

The only thing that will make me buy a baleno will be Maruti Service Badge. But till now what i have heared in this forum every place have different criteria. Somewhere Ford dealers sks some where GM and some places Maruti dealers too. Secondly after owning the other company cars i dont think i will every buy a Maruti car again. I mean where is safety. Y ai may buy a small car from maruti anyday due their remarkable FE. But buying a luxury sedan will make me think twice of Maruti.

Just my $0.02. NO offence to anyone or any dealer or company.

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mclaren .. a little biased toward the baleno are we ???

the real test is on the road ... 1/4 mile drag any1 ???? odds favour the baleno beating the fiesta,no doubt... i wanna know by how much

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mclaren .. a little biased toward the baleno are we ???

the real test is on the road ... 1/4 mile drag any1 ???? odds favour the baleno beating the fiesta,no doubt... i wanna know by how much
NO not at all biased , i have always put across honest views even when it came to cons of the baleno (for that u can read my review) .. I believe in giving credit where its due .. These are my views after a careful analysis of the cars and yes driving the TD guy crazy trying to see what the fiesta is capable off .. Im sure that would be last TD he would give to any from my neighbourhood ..

Also did anyone notice that the fiesta 1.6 puts out 101 ps whereas the baleno BS III hardly puts out 85 ?? I know this is hard for most of u to belive but bangy tuners have got down to the bottom of this issue and have found this to be the main reason due to the positioning of the cat con among various other reasons.. The stats state the baleno to be around 91 ps , but this is so not true .. Try running a BS II baleno up against a BS III and see if the difference is really just the 3 ps that the company claims ?? Also something we need to realise is , the baleno engine is almost a decade old now , its detuned by quite a bit atleast in the BS III version and yet if it can keep ahead of the fiesta rated at 101 ps , what does it make of it ???

Coming to the real tests on road , well i for one would always be game for it .. We just need to get hold of v1p3r's baleno (which is BS II) .. I dont think mine would be an option because its in for the works ..
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I don't think the Baleno's engine is all that it's cracked up to be either. It's a decent engine, but nothing extraordinary. After driving a Lancer, I found it lacking in refinement, to be honest. What works for the car is the low body weight, which makes it so quick off the blocks.

Fiesta, on the other hand, is very refined, but I was really disappointed with the low performance. Waited for weeks to finally make time for a test drive, and then when I finally took it for a spin, I kept it for less than ten minutes because I got bored trying to make it go fast. Maybe it's just me or something, but I really don't find the car even remotely to be a performance machine.
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There is nothing to think about .. In terms of performance or in terms of torque the baleno engine is ahead of the fiesta , only thing that comes close is the palio 1.6 GTX ..
In terms of performance, Baleno edges past till 100, thanks to its low weight than anything else. It weights 975kg vs. Fiesta's 1130kg. No wonder, Fiesta is slower. But it will be much more planted on road at high speeds. In terms of torque, fiesta pumps out 146 Nm against Baleno's 132Nm. GTX is close to Baleno even though it weighs 100kg more than Baleno.

No one is taking away performance edge from Baleno, but it doesn't mean SOHC Baleno engine is superior to DOHC Fiesta.

I am leading to totally speculative territory, but I suspect Fiesta might even be faster than Baleno at higher speeds. (140+). (Just like Baleno is faster than Esteem).

PS: No, I am not mad at you for your post
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In terms of performance, Baleno edges past till 100, thanks to its low weight than anything else. It weights 975kg vs. Fiesta's 1130kg. No wonder, Fiesta is slower. But it will be much more planted on road at high speeds. In terms of torque, fiesta pumps out 146 Nm against Baleno's 132Nm. GTX is close to Baleno even though it weighs 100kg more than Baleno.

No one is taking away performance edge from Baleno, but it doesn't mean SOHC Baleno engine is superior to DOHC Fiesta.

I am leading to totally speculative territory, but I suspect Fiesta might even be faster than Baleno at higher speeds. (140+). (Just like Baleno is faster than Esteem).

PS: No, I am not mad at you for your post
Well i do agree that the baleno is light at 985 kgs .. But thats the way it comes from the company .. So is there anything we can do about it ?? Nope we cant .. So we need to accept the fact , unless one wants to mod both the cars and see which is better .. Even then my bet would be on the baleno ..

In terms of torque the fiesta is torquier but at where the torque develops is the most important point .. In the baleno it almost begins at idle , this im sure every baleno owner would vouch for .. I shift gears effortlessly at 1500 rpms and the car feels great .. Tried the same on the fiesta and it was gasping quite a bit .. The car feels great when u shift at 2.3k + revvs ..

Well , now that u guys came to the point of the baleno being lighter and thus faster, did any of us complain that the baleno is not a DOHC ?? or that it doesnt have the technology of VTEC and the likes .. We didnt .. Like i mentioned the baleno isnt as powerful as the company itself claims it to be .. Yet no complaints from my side ..

Well there could be a lot of IFs and BUTs but what matter most is the facts as they lie now .. I think its about time we end this argument for the poll numbers certainly seem to be doing their work ... And all of us here have said what had to be said .. Let peace prevail ..
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McLaren, whats LCD ..... i would very happy with 10.5kmpl itself hope i can achieve that.
LCD means Lavelle Road Coffee Day .. There is a meet happening around 9 today , u could very well join us .. Sorry for going ..
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Also did anyone notice that the fiesta 1.6 puts out 101 ps whereas the baleno BS III hardly puts out 85 ?? I know this is hard for most of u to belive but bangy tuners have got down to the bottom of this issue and have found this to be the main reason due to the positioning of the cat con among various other reasons.. The stats state the baleno to be around 91 ps , but this is so not true ..
I believe the same test should be carried out on all the cars that claim 100bhp. Seems to be a psychological figure that manufacturers try to market, what with so many cars being just 100 or 101 bhp .. I wonder ..

How is it tested ? Maybe that query should be in the tech section ....
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Well i do agree that the baleno is light at 985 kgs .. But thats the way it comes from the company .. So is there anything we can do about it ?? Nope we cant .. So we need to accept the fact , unless one wants to mod both the cars and see which is better .. Even then my bet would be on the baleno ..
Mclaren, I never contested the fact that it is faster since it is lighter. I am perfectly accepting that as a fact. I am just contesting the claim that because it is faster, it has better engine than Fiesta, which clearly is not the case. Or in other words, if you plonk Fiesta engine in Baleno chasis, it might be way faster than Baleno. I pretty much like Baleno and it was the hottest car on my personal shortlist till I opted for something else.

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because it is faster, it has better engine than Fiesta, which clearly is not the case.
exactly what i was getting at earlier ... thank you RX
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I find this thread becoming rather kiddish, where car owners are simply justifying their decision!!! I think we are truly over rating Baleno's engine, if someone from outside India was reading this thread, they'd probably mistake Baleno for a Ferari.
I think its quite clear those who buy Baleno, buy it for FE, percieved engine performance, and Maruti after sales.
Those who buy Fiesta buy it for newer looking car, safety and pretty good overall product.
To each his own, lets stop this mine is better than yours debate where owners are simply highlighting and justifying their buying decisions. In reality, most people buy Baleno as its a cheapest mid sizer with heavy discounts....
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I find this thread becoming rather kiddish, where car owners are simply justifying their decision!!! I think we are truly over rating Baleno's engine, if someone from outside India was reading this thread, they'd probably mistake Baleno for a Ferari.
I think its quite clear those who buy Baleno, buy it for FE, percieved engine performance, and Maruti after sales.
Those who buy Fiesta buy it for newer looking car, safety and pretty good overall product.
To each his own, lets stop this mine is better than yours debate where owners are simply highlighting and justifying their buying decisions. In reality, most people buy Baleno as its a cheapest mid sizer with heavy discounts....
Yepp... Let us all go by the poll results and just accept which is the better car.. shall we?
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Yepp... Let us all go by the poll results and just accept which is the better car.. shall we?
i believe this poll is a matter of 'individual preference' ,which is in no way a true refection of the 'better car' ,as people might have varied reasons for their respective choice ... moreover alot of people who have voted for baleno ,im sure would have not driven the fiesta , or maybe had just too short ride in it to really compare(vice versa could be true as well)

p.s: thank god for varied taste

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