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Baleno 98 60.49%
Ford Fiesta 1.6 64 39.51%
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Old 11th April 2006, 16:58   #271
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The reason I say percieved performance is, that if anyone reads this thread, would mistake Baleno is a supercar.
They must be really naive to make such a wild assumption. To my knowledge, the arguments on this thread are with reference to the other car, not in comparison with supercars.

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I am sure if we had better machines available, or if we had more money, than Baleno wont even figure in our debates or discussions.
Yeah sure and the Fiesta would still be the dream machine. Give me a break.
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The best car that one can drive today from the available ones in the market today will be a FIESTA 1.4 diesel with 15" alloy wheels. To make it perform better use tyres with a lower aspect ratio such as 205/50 R15
The 1.4 with 15 '' ??? I doubt if it would even move forward ..


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if baleno was priced at 8 lac then the poll results might be different ,as alot of people would have voted keeping in mind what they would 'buy' if given a choice.
What makes u think that the fiesta 7 years down the line would sell at the same price as its running right now ?? Isnt it but obvious that the baleno is being heavily discounted the date since entry into the market being a factor ?? The price is one of the + points of the baleno and if ford cant match that price then tough luck .. Rather than sitting and cribbing that baleno is cheaply priced , why not wonder asto why cant ford reduce its price to match that of the baleno ??

I dont think u guys still want to answer my question ?? For those who have missed it :

In what terms would u consider the fiesta's engine a " better engine " .. Would it be in terms of performance , torque , FE figures , quiter engine etc etc ?? That would help us know why is the fiesta's engine percieved to be better ..

Its but obvious that the baleno scores over the fiesta in terms of ride comfort , city/highway drivability , AC , seating comfort amongst various other factors ..

Coming to performance , baleno is light agreed .. But 91 ps at 985 kgs are the stats for the baleno .. But dont u think the extra 10ps on the fiesta nullifies it being 145 kgs heavier ?? Or am i stupid in thinking so ??

I wouldnt want to comment on the looks , as it can be bettered or preferred by most the way it is .. And coming to the interiors im sure an aftermarket job with the money saved on the baleno would be up there right with the fiesta's .. So the two factors the fiesta scores over the baleno can be dealt with ..

But i admit that the fiesta has way better safety features than the baleno ..

PS : We have had baleno vs vtec , baleno vs accent , baleno vs fiesta , baleno vs god knows what .. All these comparos just prove a point that baleno is here to stay for good ..
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The reason I say percieved performance is, that if anyone reads this thread, would mistake Baleno is a supercar.

Lastly, most people buy Baleno as its VFM and gives good performance for its price. I am sure if we had better machines available, or if we had more money, than Baleno wont even figure in our debates or discussions.

The only thing that I suggest is that please lets not get carried away with cars we own. We are discussing like children which car is faster by 0.25 of a second, which I believe is purely academic. Its like we are discussing which bike is faster between a Yamaha RXG or a Suzuki Shogun, I know Shogun is faster, but its merely academic as what difference does it make if a bike has got 14 bhp or 12 bhp, as we are no way close to the intl standards of 50+ horses.

To summarize, Baleno is fast compared to Indian standards, but lets put things in perspective before we go overboard and start over emphasizing the performance and get carried away.
Well since post 1 i always thought the comparo was btwn indian cars in the 1.6L categ .. Since when did the super cars thingy come in btwn .. Compared to these above cars baleno is certainly ahead by a notch in terms of performance , for which u agreed in ur last statement ..

Lastly ur perspective that most balenos are bought bcoz of the price factor is absolutely wrong .. If that was the case , the OHC VTECS , Skoda RS's wouldnt have sold in numbers they are ..

Why i asked u to come to bangy is to see the racing scene where every other car is either a esteem , OHC or a baleno .. Now having the best tuners in the country im sure it does justify the choice of cars ..

I agree that we arent still UPTO the international standards , but the discussions here revolved among INDIAN STANDARDS ONLY .. When we do have better performing cars than the existing ones right now , we will stand up and give credit where its due .. Until then ??

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PS : We have had baleno vs vtec , baleno vs accent , baleno vs fiesta , baleno vs god knows what .. All these comparos just prove a point that baleno is here to stay for good ..
Dunno about that - but it does say one thing - Baleno owners are sure madly in love with their cars - so for some people, its the perfect choice.
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Dunno about that - but it does say one thing - Baleno owners are sure madly in love with their cars - so for some people, its the perfect choice.
Just as the VTEC owners , the RS owners , the fiesta owners , the palio owners , the accent owners amongst others .. As long as facts are put across regarding pros and cons i dont see anything wrong with that .. Right ??
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Lastly ur perspective that most balenos are bought bcoz of the price factor is absolutely wrong .. If that was the case , the OHC VTECS , Skoda RS's wouldnt have sold in numbers they are ..
Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt Baleno's sales really take off when the prices were cut by a lakh or two in 2003 (or was it due to bye-bye OHC .. )
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Correct me if I am wrong, but didnt Baleno's sales really take off when the prices were cut by a lakh or two in 2003 (or was it due to bye-bye OHC .. )
While that COULD be the case in rest of india , it certainly isnt in bangalore atleast .. Not that i know off .. Almost all the owners of balenos know about its performance (or torque) perspective and there are innumerable number of baleno running some kind of mods or the other (could be the same case in other cities too) .. Also the initial prices of the baleno werent justifiable .. MUL was trying to pass the buck thinking that indian consumers would pass it off and flock in huge numbers it being a MARUTI .. Didnt work , the current price on the baleno is as justifiable as any other car in its categ ..

While i do agree that the discountinuation of the OHC did make way for increased sales ..
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The poll is based on what the ground realities are today, not on speculation.
exactly why i brought up the price advantage of the baleno to make it clear it is the 'better package' which does not translate to 'better car'

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Well not everybody is interested in torquey performance or is in a racing mood everyday. At the end of the day you should be satisfied with the performance and smoothness of the drive. (Baleno has independent suspension on all 4 wheels and sound lowering technologies) as well as confort for all 5 persons sitting in the car which means loads of space. Besides for most investing in a totally new car which has not proven itself may sometimes prove disastrous. Price matters a lot, you sweat it out so much each day, wouldn't you want to get the most out of it ? Most of them pay installments for 5 years !!! Unless you have a different kind of money, many would opt to put in a safe project (the Baleno). Besides if Fiesta appears to be a new car to most then in the coming year so many new cars will be coming that the plain looks and interiors of Fiesta may seem old too. So it's all relative, you see !
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What makes u think that the fiesta 7 years down the line would sell at the same price as its running right now ?? Isnt it but obvious that the baleno is being heavily discounted the date since entry into the market being a factor ?? The price is one of the + points of the baleno and if ford cant match that price then tough luck .. Rather than sitting and cribbing that baleno is cheaply priced , why not wonder asto why cant ford reduce its price to match that of the baleno ??
i brought up the price advantage of the baleno to make it clear it is the 'better package' ,which i do not dispute .
the poll results do not surprise me at all , but i deplore the fact that some of you are trying to drive the point that the baleno is 'better car' instead of a simply stating what you think is a better buy,and reasons for the same, which is what the poll is meant to be.
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I am sure if we had better machines available, or if we had more money, than Baleno wont even figure in our debates or discussions.

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Yeah sure and the Fiesta would still be the dream machine. Give me a break.
Did I ever say that Fiesta will be a dream machine? Kindly qoute me. I know this is a public forum and everyone is entitled to their opinions, but SB since day 1 you have a tendency to jump on everyone who says a word about Baleno. You have been warn by mods many times, your posts have been deleted, however you still continue to show arrogance and show attitude to people who dont agree with you.
Coming back to the topic, I think its safe to say this poll concludes that being a VFM car, and after heavy discounting Baleno seems to be the favorite in this segment which is seeing a series of launches this year. How long it continues to do so without a serious upgrade by MUL is to be seen.
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spadival: working on it boss...soon there will be a decent package...caught up in testing it on a couple of cars as we speak.
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Really? Would you buy something which in your perception is bad ?
Read my post carefully......I'm saying it does not prove the car is better or worse just because any particular person feels so; obviously it all stems from perception doesn't it! What I'm saying is my or your perceptions do not necessarily prove that our judgements are 100% accurate - to me, long term reports and sales numbers would reiterate if we were (earlier) right or wrong
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exactly why i brought up the price advantage of the baleno to make it clear it is the 'better package' which does not translate to 'better car'
Any comparison has to be done at a particular price point. And at a particular price point if you say that a particular car is a 'better package', it means that it is a 'better car' compared to others at that price.

Correct me if I am wrong. Your reference to 'better car' is like saying that a Maybach is a 'better car' compared to a Baleno. It also costs around a 100 times more. Therefore it is meaningless to compare cars without factoring price into the equation.
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Guys, one thing this forum does though is it makes you think and rethink......you read some observations from someone who has test driven a car for perhaps half an hour vis a vis the car you are driving for the past three months and you wonder "what? how did I miss this out??!!"

So, Mclaren's post on the "gasp" and lack of low revs torque got me thinking yesterday and I consciously went through a series of tests this morning (on the way to drop kids to school & back) and I found that I hadn't been talking through my hat when I told him that low rev torque was great. Some facts -

3rd gear to 4th gear, at 35, 1600rpm on tacho till changeover then down to 1200 rpm, no gasp
4th gear, pick up speed from 35-40kmph, 1200 rpm on tacho - no gasp, smooth pickup
just for the heck of it, 4th to 5th in 45, down to 1100 or so (below first mark on tacho past 1000 rpm), pick up albeit slowly but smoothly, no gasp,
down to 40kmph between 1000 & 1100 rpm and then pick up, no gasp but effort definitely required..... then I decide "what the hell, why 5th gear for proving anything at below 50 kmph anyway".

So, I'm still happy with my "no gasp" efforts guys , no offense to anyone!

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