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Old 28th March 2006, 23:42   #46
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^^ amplanning to do just that...Waiting for 10th April when am back in Chennai after which the subsequent couple of weekends are going to be spent doing just that
Wanted to do some prelim research before that though

As for the lancer, i love the looks, byt the maintenance would be a killer
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Old 29th March 2006, 00:01   #47
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WHAT??? What are you talking about MAN ???

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I think it is high time you do a test drive of all your prospects. Suggest you include Lancer also in that. Thats one graceful looking car, in any color.
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Today such people are only letting companies like Honda,etc go scott free by not giving us what we deserve. i.e Look at the City ZX and look at the same version sold in Malaysia (www.honda.my) and you will notice how stripped the indian version is. Why so. Because people are ready to buy the stripped version. Heck Honda didnot even give us 185 rubber for the Vtec and the reason is whats the need. People will buy it anyway. Infact the OHC was not doing very good numbers like the Accent. Honda came to know the typical Indian Psychology. Big Car, Less Price, FE and adequate power and thats the NHC for you, Thank You.
In a rear end crash of a NHC the dickys plastic bar will spear into your back and thats whats the safety of a NHC.

I truly agree with this that Honda is playing Maruti game in the premium segment which is providing good product but taking INdians for granted.



If place of origin does matter you then why dont you buy Indian stuff? Be patriotic man.

The art of automobile designing and manufacturing is assocaited with the Japanese and the Europeans. eg - you cant expect a Korean car to ride / handle better than a French / Italian cars although its another thing that nowadays Koreans and even TATA are seeking help from these specialist Europeans to make their product a better car. Like TATAs and even the Aveo has been designed by the famous Italian designer. Similarly there are instances for seeking help in devoloping better suspensions from the Europeans.

I am not being patriotic here bcoz i intend to prefer a world class product and not be inclined for what most of Indians buy.


For your kind info Most germans would prefer to buy a Chinese car.

If its a Japanese does not mean that its quite a good car. It was best explained to me by some person who told me. I asked a person about honda city. He said its a very good car. Its gives 16kmpl. Here where yhe questions that followed.

Me - Do you own one?
You - No
Me - Does your neighbour have one?
You - No
Me - Does your relative have one?
You - No
Me - Does your boss/co-woker have one?
You - No
Me - Does any one in your building have one?
You - No
Me - Then how the hell can you say its gives 16kms per a litre?
You - I cant recollect but i heard some one saying.



What kind of a calculation was that. By merely looking at the country of car production cannot determine the handling. The AVEO anyday will handle better then the Corsa. Reason is simple. Corsa ran on 13inchers. AVEO runs on 14. Also Optra (Korean) handles better then a Corolla(Japanese) though they both run on 15inchers.



Its world wide. Not only here. Its in canda, sweeden,etc. In Sweeden its known as the Chevrolet Nubira.



Anywayz thats quite off topic but then i can assure you that a AVEO is a way better car then a Honda City. Test Drive one and then you will come to know what Rtech meant.

@ abhi182 - Go ahead and buy the AVEO. You wont regret it. It will never let you down. Daewoo had built some wonderful cars before it became bankrupt and AVEO is surely one of them. 1.4 is very refined motor and will give surely a better FE then what you got in your Corsa.

ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO CLEAR THE MISCONSEPTION ABOUT GM SPARES. THEY HAVE BEEN HIGHLY LOCALISED AND ARE NO MORE WHAT THEY USED TO BE(READ HIGH DURING THE ASTRA DAYS) SO PLEASE DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT. OPTRA SPARES ARE CHEAPEST, CHEAPER THEN EVEN THE COROLLA.

Lastly i test drove the Aveo 1.4 and found it overall a great package. Although few negatives -
- The pickup is real sluggish but it could be bcoz GM wants to provide best FE.
- The handling was excellent but please correct me here if i am wrong bcoz i found lot of window rattling.

Also does anyone know about Chevy Optra's maintenance just to relate how cheap or expensive will Aveo be to maintain.
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Just posting again bcoz it got mixed with the prior quote --


The art of automobile designing and manufacturing is assocaited with the Japanese and the Europeans. eg - you cant expect a Korean car to ride / handle better than a French / Italian cars although its another thing that nowadays Koreans and even TATA are seeking help from these specialist Europeans to make their product a better car. Like TATAs and even the Aveo has been designed by the famous Italian designer. Similarly there are instances for seeking help in devoloping better suspensions from the Europeans.
I am not being patriotic here bcoz i intend to prefer a world class product and not be inclined for what most of Indians buy.
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Lastly i test drove the Aveo 1.4 and found it overall a great package. Although few negatives -
- The pickup is real sluggish but it could be bcoz GM wants to provide best FE.
- The handling was excellent but please correct me here if i am wrong bcoz i found lot of window rattling.
Also does anyone know about Chevy Optra's maintenance just to relate how cheap or expensive will Aveo be to maintain.
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The pickup is real sluggish but it could be bcoz GM wants to provide best FE
1.4s pick up is quite ok for its a 1.4 after all.

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The handling was excellent but please correct me here if i am wrong bcoz i found lot of window rattling.
That was a one off with that car. Never found that in the car in which i test drove.

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Also does anyone know about Chevy Optra's maintenance just to relate how cheap or expensive will Aveo be to maintain.
It will be the cheapest in the competition.

Here are some figs that might help : -

Oil Filter - Rs. 81
Air Filter - Rs. 285
Fan Belt - Rs. 1500
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1.4s pick up is quite ok for its a 1.4 after all.



That was a one off with that car. Never found that in the car in which i test drove.



It will be the cheapest in the competition.

Here are some figs that might help : -

Oil Filter - Rs. 81
Air Filter - Rs. 285
Fan Belt - Rs. 1500

Hey Busa !!

Just curious to know which car do you own currently?
Moreover i test drove 2 cars to confirm and there is lots of window rattling noise on a slightly uneven surface.

The spare part comparision list was there with my dealer too and looks that its going to be comparitively cheap to maintain but wat about the fuss that GM's maintenance is high or was it only with the OPEL cars.
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Hi,

There is a Misconception that the FORD, GM, FIAT parts are costlier. NO AND I MEAN NO THEY ARE NOT COSTLY AT ALL.

Everyone here says Hyundai / MAruti parts are not costlier. Lemme give you an example:

My frined own a opel corsa. The RHS mirrior is of rs 800. I agree the car is Now old and about to change. (About 4 months ago)

Went to Hyundai dealer when we were checking out cars last month. The RHS mirror costs rs 1500. Man the car is about to close and its rs 1500. Double the price of Opel mirrior.

Went to get my Fiesta serviced just asked the sales guy about the RHS mirror as it got some scaratches etc. The price was RS 1600. The car is totally new. and the biggest thing in rs 1600 they will colour the mirror too.

I mean how can you all ay parts are costlier. rs 1600 for a RHS mirror of the car which is new and rs 1500 for the mirror of the car which is about to get close.

The only thing is that we all get Maruti / Hyundai / Tata / Mahindra etc spares in open market whereas FORD / GM / FIAT you wont get it.

One more example i can give is I went to Ford to get a Quote of fusion+ and a guy came and asked for Ikon Flair Speedometer Wire. The sales guy asked the guy to bring the car. The guy said just give him the wire. The sales guy refused and told him we cannot supply parts like this. We have to add it into our invoices the number etc of the car.

Where as in Maruti you all can go get anything out.

My $0.02 (My two cents)

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Hey Busa !!

Just curious to know which car do you own currently?
Moreover i test drove 2 cars to confirm and there is lots of window rattling noise on a slightly uneven surface.

The spare part comparision list was there with my dealer too and looks that its going to be comparitively cheap to maintain but wat about the fuss that GM's maintenance is high or was it only with the OPEL cars.
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WHAT??? What are you talking about MAN ???

tell me ?
I'm sorry Abhibh,that was meant for Abhi.
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Moreover i test drove 2 cars to confirm and there is lots of window rattling noise on a slightly uneven surface.

The spare part comparision list was there with my dealer too and looks that its going to be comparitively cheap to maintain but wat about the fuss that GM's maintenance is high or was it only with the OPEL cars.
Test drive cars are all prone to such noises due to they being driven very harshly by none other then test drivers

GMs maintenance was high in 1998 when the Astra had just come since they had not localised. Now GM spares are on par with Maruti.

Own a Optra.

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Old 29th March 2006, 12:08   #55
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As for the lancer, i love the looks, byt the maintenance would be a killer
Not true at all. We've just sold our 6 year old Lancer, and it's been extremely reasonable to maintain. 1.27 lakh kms and no major problems at all, just the regular maintenance. The parts used to be expensive, but HM announced huge cuts some time ago and since then the cost of owning a Lancer has really come down. It's probably cheaper than most of the competition now. Also, you get big discounts (Lancer 1.5 base model is 6.7 lakhs OTR Thane registration, after discount), so it's really good VFM. Lookswise also, a few modifications and the car looks amazing, much better than 90% of the current crop of C segment cars.


Brand new Lancers come with a 3 year service holiday, so you hardly spend anything. The car also gives an average of 10-10.5 in bombay city traffic with A/C, and has the best in class handling.

If you like the car, I suggest you go pay the dealer a visit and check it out. High maintenance costs are a misconception.
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Old 30th March 2006, 23:20   #56
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I am also searching for upgrade, my choices are...

1. Fiesta 1.4 OR TDCI
2. Aveo 1.4
3. City Exi

My experiance with test drvie...
1. Fiesta TDCI:

I like the design, driver and fron passenger seat comfort is good, fun to drive in city, I found very torquy engine for city traffic, Rear seat Arm rest, new look dash board and interiors, door handles, DTE meter, Less noicy,

I dont like back seat comfort (I bit tall with lengthy legs), Price

2. Fiesta 1.4 petrol:

I like FE quoted by auto mags and TBHPians and price.

Dislikes: only one variant, no fun in driving

3. City:

I like shape of the car from back, FE, "H" badge, resale value

Dislikes: over priced, not a drivers car, front shape, bumpy ride, low ground clearance(160mm)

4. Aveo 1.4:
I like design, ground clearance(181mm), all new dash board, IP

Dislikes: no fun in driving

My opineon:

Fiesta: showroom person is least bothered who is entering in to showroom, No responce from sales person, I visited thrice ford showroom every time I found its empty, all the staff sitting idle(Receptionist and one sales men thats it).

City: Very good responce from sales manager, warm welcome, test drive vehicle sent thrice, answred all quarreys about city and its rivals, but the problem is nothing is there in that car to attract/exite me(less performace highly priced). I dont think there is much differance in FE of fiesta 1.4P, city, Aveo 1.4.

Aveo: Warm welcome, good comparision with rivals along with spare parts list. Issue is just launched no feedback from owners. I am worried about FE os this vechcle.

My requirment:

My previous car run is 1500Kms every month
Budget: upto 6.5L
I like driving but considedring shooting up fuel prices now Iam looking for economy vehicle.
In my options only one diesel that too for economy, I may use my car for official use in case of diesel, that time Km per month goes up to 2 to 2.5K per month.

Looks: Aveo and Fiesta
Resale: City
Economy: Fiesta TDCi but too expencive for me I have to strech my budget.
Ride and Handling: Aveo

One more thing I get 25K corporate discount on city, no discounts on Aveo and Fiesta.
Suman, Abhibh, Lambo(TDCI): pls give your views ( fiesta owners)

Too many city owners your openions pls

Guys pls help me in choosing one car with your expert commects.

I dont want post duplicate threads and this one falls my catogiry w/o city

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Suman, Abhibh, Lambo(TDCI): pls give your views ( fiesta owners)
Sri, haven't experienced the Fiesta 1.4 nor the Aveo. You can go through my posts in the Long Term Ownership Reports section of Team-bhp for my experiences so far with my Fiesta 1.6 sxi; I'm having a lot of fun with my car and really enjoying revving her hard in early morning traffic conditions - the engine is so smooth and effortless & FE is better than what I'd expected. Also read the Test drive experiences of these cars in the New Car Test Drives section. I think you'll find most of what you need, PM me if you need anything specific.

Good luck with your purchase plans and cheers!
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well i would say Elantra...
i like the car...
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Hi Sri,

I have been a proud owner of the Fiesta till 3 days ago . as now the car is being used for office use due its so called remarkable FE we are gettting. The car is really fun to drive, noiseless and vibration less. You may feel pickup slow if you drive it after accent and may think its underpowered but it ain't and i mean no its not underpowered. I think the 160 NM torque comes in handy in city and as well as highway. I have had 3 trips on highway and overtaking is not as pain as a a guy said in a TV program RAFTAR "You have 2 think twice while overtaking a bus if you are driving a Fiesta TDCi."

The FE is around 20 - 22 in city without ac. Overall its 20 as you cannot drive light footed all the time. It also depends upon yer driving and city traffic conditions. I usually skip the 4th gear and shift to 5th after 3rd gear.

The dealer has been gr8 and i mean gr8. Very understanding and till now i have not even had any single problem. The car is steady at highspeeds and i have streched it to 130 Kph. It can go to 150 - 160 easily. Though company claims 164 as top speed..

Ac is very effective chills you within 10 mins.. NO load of AC on the car. You may feel a bit like 0.0001% when you switch on but overtaking and pickup is same with or without AC.

Rear suspension was a little stiff but its now bubly.

Overall it had been a good experience. Can post some pics if you want but they wont be clear as i don't have a Digital Camera.

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Sri,
check out the long term review of our Fiesta.
It is good but the dealer is crap and that is the reason we are having problems with the car.
Abhibh,
we may end up buying another Fiesta TDCi for office duty too because of its good FE.
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