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Old 12th November 2012, 23:31   #256
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Hey everyone my topic was deleted earlier but i think iam posting it at right place now

Please suggest me what to buy
Iam looking for sedan which will be self driven. My wish list is
Exterior
Interior
Fuel efficiency
Gadgets
Maintainence cost
***
Re sale value
For sure have to be diesel or cng
Iam not a race freak so power is not a big point for me

Cars in my mind are
Verna sxo or sx
Honda city cng
Vento( dont like looks)

I never thought of linea and fiesta

Pls suggest guys
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Hey everyone my topic was deleted earlier but i think iam posting it at right place now

Please suggest me what to buy
Iam looking for sedan which will be self driven. My wish list is
Exterior
Interior
Fuel efficiency
Gadgets
Maintainence cost
***
Re sale value
For sure have to be diesel or cng
Iam not a race freak so power is not a big point for me

Cars in my mind are
Verna sxo or sx
Honda city cng
Vento( dont like looks)

I never thought of linea and fiesta

Pls suggest guys
From your Requirements, the Verna Seems to be the best bet. Has great styling and all the gadgets.
But do share your usage as well.
For example: Verna is an excellent car in the city, but the shortcomings are very evident on a highway.
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Hey everyone my topic was deleted earlier but i think iam posting it at right place now

Please suggest me what to buy
Iam looking for sedan which will be self driven. My wish list is
Exterior
Interior
Fuel efficiency
Gadgets
Maintainence cost
***
Re sale value
For sure have to be diesel or cng
Iam not a race freak so power is not a big point for me

Cars in my mind are
Verna sxo or sx
Honda city cng
Vento( dont like looks)

I never thought of linea and fiesta

Pls suggest guys
As I infer from your post that you are not the kind who is too kicked about throwing his car around, i think verna fits the bill perfectly for you. It ticks all your requirements.

I own a verna diesel and would like to point out a couple of things so that you are aware.

1. The car has limited highway capability at high speeds (read 120+). If you stay within this range, there are no issues.

2. You have to be extremely careful on the monster speed bumps. Verna has a tendency to scrape. Maybe I am a little paranoid because all my 3 highway trips have been done with 4 or 5 guys in the cabin which may have accentuated this problem.

Other than the above two points, this car is an excellent buy for your requirements. I would not even begin to talk about the gizmos, styling etc. They are just fab.

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As stated above, all your requirements will be ticked by the Verna.

If you would like to look at a more stable car at higher speeds, look for the Vento HL. It has the basic and more gizmos. High speed and highway stability is supreme.

Honda city CNG will mean you compromise on your boot space and lesser gizmos compared to the competition.
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Thanks for quick reply guys
My main usage will be daily travel to gurgaon
My daily usage will be around
35km on highway and 40 km in city
Iam bit concerned abt mileage too

Mostly i wont go above 120 but some time who wont if u have power underr the hoood
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My main usage will be daily travel to gurgaon
My daily usage will be around
35km on highway and 40 km in city
Iam bit concerned abt mileage too

Mostly i wont go above 120 but some time who wont if u have power underr the hoood
Verna is a very good car. It ticks all the boxes, except that it does not handle well on highways and gets very bouncy on bad roads. The suspension, even after the recent improvements, still crashes in pot holes.

I'm not sure why you did not consider the Fiesta or the Linea. But, since your primary requirement is mileage and almost 50% of your driving is on highways, i would strongly recommend you to reconsider the options that you missed.

I own a Fiesta (the new one, not the Classic) with over 20K clicks. The car never ceases to amaze me and gives amazing mileage (almost 19 kmpl average). You can have a read here http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...completed.html

IMHO, this car will tick all the boxes for you. A word of advise, please take a test drive before finalizing the car.
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Hey everyone my topic was deleted earlier but i think iam posting it at right place now

Please suggest me what to buy
Iam looking for sedan which will be self driven. My wish list is
Exterior
Interior
Fuel efficiency
Gadgets
Maintainence cost
***
Re sale value
For sure have to be diesel or cng
Iam not a race freak so power is not a big point for me

Cars in my mind are
Verna sxo or sx
Honda city cng
Vento( dont like looks)

I never thought of linea and fiesta

Pls suggest guys
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My main usage will be daily travel to gurgaon
My daily usage will be around
35km on highway and 40 km in city
Iam bit concerned abt mileage too

Mostly i wont go above 120 but some time who wont if u have power underr the hoood
Since your main requirements seem to be EVERYTHING other than road manners, I'd suggest the new Verna But be reminded again, like everyone else over here mentioned, that the Verna is a handful at high speeds. It has a potent engine with class leading performance and fuel economy but the suspension tuning needs some serious work. With my personal experience with Hyundais, I'd like to point out that even though they have softly sprung suspensions, they tend to bottom out quite easily and often "fall" into really large potholes, even if driven terribly slowly. None of the cars you short listed will be on your pocket when it comes to maintenance costs but I'm guessing that the Vento will be the most expensive to maintain. But it offers the best overall package in terms of suspension setup, real- world performance, comfort and that all important "feel- good factor". Looks are subjective and it really depends on an individual's preference .

The only "downsides" of the Vento when compared to the Verna is the slightly noisy diesel motor and a lack of gadgets- which are not exactly essential for a good driving experience. If you enjoy driving, need a car with good overal composure, comfort and tension- free control, I'd suggest you go in for the Vento. It is also cheaper than the Verna. I wouldn't recommend the Honda City as I feel it's starting to show its age and its petrol engine will not have the tractability and economy of a diesel. It's also lacking in the gadgets department.

Resale value of the Verna and the Vento seem to be identical. I'm not well informed on that regard. Please excuse me if I'm wrong.

The new Fiesta also seems to suit your needs well but I'd be wary of Ford's after sales service quality (we own a Ford ourselves!). Also the rear- end styling is pretty awkward for most people. Rear seat comfort is also not upto the mark. That said, the car is loaded with features, has a decent motor and has the best- in- class suspension tuning.

I would strongly suggest that you do a thorough test-drive of all these cars (on the same day if possible!) and see which car suits your needs and driving style better. Cheers!
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Guys,need your help here.We need a new car and we need it fast.
Budget:10-11Lakhs.
Running:25k kms/year.So Diesel!!
Requirements:Safety,Adequate power,High GC,Reliability.
Road conditions:City,highway and giant crater filled "roads."
The car replaces a SX4 ZXI.

Finally we don't want to sell off the car for peanuts after 4years/1Lakh kms!!
Kindly suggest a car that can withstand the kind of heavy running that we do.My dad is a very careful driver and my SX4 at 90k is still running perfectly on its original clutch.The only reason we are changing the car is because of rising petrol costs.We didn't envision this kind of running when we bought the car then

Would like your comments on my observations below


SX4 ZDI:We(I) don't want another SX4.Else this car will probably suit us very well.Haven't test driven though so not too sure about the power part.

Linea:Going to test drive very soon.Do Fiat's age well??We don't want a niggly car!!Does the suspension last when driven on bad roads often??Don't like the shape.I know,wierd!!

Punto 90HP:Not TD'ed yet.Will do.But the same concerns I had for Linea remain.And yeah,love the shape.

Punto 75HProve for 3kms or so yesterday.Didn't like the centre console design and ofcourse,the infamous glovebox alignment.Zero turbolag,loved the steering,decent power,adequate for the city.How about the highways??Can it overtake effortlessly??Ofcourse same concerns as Linea.

Vento:Not TD'ed yet.Loved the interiors.Pricey but service costs are more of a concern.Don't wanna spend 15k for every service.Heck my Cruze was cheaper!!Does the car age well??

Rapid:Pathetic A.S.S here in Chennai.This is real world feedback.Ruled out!!But very very tempting.

Sunny:The dealer-management tussle has put this car out of contention.A.S.S feedback here in Chennai would be appreciated.
Dad doesn't like shape but willing to overlook.

Scala:Poor VFM when compared to Sunny.Willing to reconsider if I get a good deal.A dark horse.

Classic:Low GC issues.I'm sick of them!!Ruled out.

New Fiesta:Interior quality-bad(rear).Design-OK.Punchey engine,steering feel is very good for an EPS.Model is due for a facelift in six months.A very good deal(10L) and I'm tempted.Our Ikon 1.6 started giving us engine trouble from the third year.Suspension issues too.So,a bit skeptical.Any feedback?

Duster:First choice.Waiting period is the deal-breaker.

Verna:Already have a Hyundai(Getz Petrol),soft suspension,high maintenence costs and finally,less discounts,waiting period.Don't like the looks anymore.

PS:We love to drive,so Sunny and Scala will remain dark horses.

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Guys,need your help here.We need a new car and we need it fast.
Budget:10-11Lakhs.
Running:25k kms/year.So Diesel!!
Requirements:Safety,Adequate power,High GC,Reliability.
Road conditions:City,highway and giant crater filled "roads."
The car replaces a SX4 ZXI.

Finally we don't want to sell off the car for peanuts after 4years/1Lakh kms!!
Kindly suggest a car that can withstand the kind of heavy running that we do.My dad is a very careful driver and my SX4 at 90k is still running perfectly on its original clutch.The only reason we are changing the car is because of rising petrol costs.We didn't envision this kind of running when we bought the car then

Would like your comments on my observations below

SX4 ZDI: You will get a good deal from Maruti here and you will also get good resale for your Sx4, provided you bargain.

Linea: It has a some power as SX4 D and is heavier than Sx4. Suspension is among the best as the official review. Niggles, havent read of any, recently on the forum.

Punto 90HP: This is a good choice if you dont want a boot.

Punto 75HP: RULED OUT

Vento:Check mikon's thread to get an idea abou the service costs. I am sure it is not 15K everytime you visit.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ce-update.html

Rapid:RULED OUT, pathetic A.S.S in chennai.

Sunny:The dealer-management tussle should be a temporary issue. This is a true work horse and will last you many years. Seriously consider this one. Drive experience is not too bad that you should abandon it.

Scala: Is it priced above the Sunny ? Go for it if you like the shape better.

Classic:Ruled out but no real reason, is it not cheap compared to the competition ?

New Fiesta: Over priced ?

Duster: See if you can get the delivery sooner. Don't abandon it just because of waiting.

Verna: RULED OUT. It has a powerful engine but poor handling is what I read on the forum. I will test drive this car this weekend. No intentions of buying it though.

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Vento Diesel : -1 (Too noisy inside and outside after 2 years, too high on maintenance even compared to Hyundai, Good Interiors, good suspension)

Verna Diesel : +1 (Low Noise Levels, Refined Engine. Maintenance cost more but less than VW. Bouncy Suspension)

Duster : +1 (SUV, Dealers' manipulation adding to high wait periods, Only 110 PS worth buying).
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Guys,need your help here.We need a new car and we need it fast.
Budget:10-11Lakhs.
Running:25k kms/year.So Diesel!!
Requirements:Safety,Adequate power,High GC,Reliability.
Road conditions:City,highway and giant crater filled "roads."
The car replaces a SX4 ZXI.

SX4 ZDI:We(I) don't want another SX4.Else this car will probably suit us very well.Haven't test driven though so not too sure about the power part.
I belive Sx4 ZDi variant fits your bill and your requirements a 110%, it has a High GC, ages very well, a well supported Maruti Service Network, a competent & powerful engine (has very good in gear figures), in gear acceleration matches both Vento & Rapid. If you are okay with replacing an Sx4 with another Sx4 & that it is an ageing car which is more towards the end of its life cycle curve then i guess Sx4 is the best option for you.

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Linea:Going to test drive very soon.Do Fiat's age well??We don't want a niggly car!!

Punto 90HP:Not TD'ed yet.Will do.But the same concerns I had for Linea remain.And yeah,love the shape.

Punto 75HProve for 3kms or so yesterday.Zero turbolag
Fiat has been struggling & struggling very badly, in fact if this year is to go by, i dont really think Fiat are even concentrating upon sales. There after sales is right at the bottom of the heap with Skoda (Thanks in no small way to Tata), have failed to produce quality niggle free products on a consistent basis & well have the worst re-sale value of the lot. Zero Turbo lag i thought Punto 75 hp has a very bad turbo lag, oh well !! just my opinion !!

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Vento:Not TD'ed yet.Loved the interiors.Pricey but service costs are more of a concern.Don't wanna spend 15k for every service.Heck my Cruze was cheaper!!Does the car age well??
Powerful, drivers car which would be the most pleasurable to drive i believe. A car that should age well as per general perception, service costs definitely run high in case of some break-downs, was the deal breaker for me too. Also, the Dealers are less than willing to sell the product.

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Rapid:Pathetic A.S.S here in Chennai.This is real world feedback.Ruled out!!But very very tempting.
Thanks to the service network, i never had the guts to give this car a shot, definitely a very good car all around, but then since the Service centre is an issue i'd suggest to stay miles away.

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Sunny:The dealer-management tussle has put this car out of contention.A.S.S feedback here in Chennai would be appreciated.
Dad doesn't like shape but willing to overlook.

Scala:Poor VFM when compared to Sunny.Willing to reconsider if I get a good deal.A dark horse.
Service is an unknown commodity for the both the cars. Nissan enjoys a pretty good reputation worldwide and builds good cars, but Sunny is no way a good driver's car. My TD with the car gave me the impression that the gear-box is very vague, does handle decently but seems to be the slowest of the lot after Linea. If service can be managed Sunny is a good proposition with a few compromises here and there, this one offers the best VFM, IMO. Scala is no VFM i believe.

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Classic:Low GC issues.I'm sick of them!!Ruled out.

New Fiesta:Interior quality-bad(rear).Design-OK.Punchey engine,steering feel is very good for an EPS.Model is due for a facelift in six months.A very good deal(10L) and I'm tempted.Our Ikon 1.6 started giving us engine trouble from the third year.Suspension issues too.So,a bit skeptical.Any feedback?
Again Service is an issue with Ford, looks really weird with that rear. Engine and handling are very good, has very good features & gizmos too, this one can be an option too for you.

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Duster:First choice.Waiting period is the deal-breaker.
If waiting periods can be managed and an SUV is not an hindrance, then i'd say go for Duster. A very good all-round car. I too wanted to go for a Duster, but since i needed a car fast i could not afford the long waiting periods. Service remains an unknown commodity, very thin dealer network as well.

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Verna:Already have a Hyundai(Getz Petrol),soft suspension,high maintenence costs and finally,less discounts,waiting period.Don't like the looks anymore.

PS:We love to drive,so Sunny and Scala will remain dark horses.
You read the verna perfectly, soft suspension may not be a very viable option on bad roads, also the GC is on the lower end of the spectrum. Waiting periods also remain very high.
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SX4 ZDI: You will get a good deal from Maruti here and you will also get good resale for your Sx4, provided you bargain.
Agreed

Linea: It has a some power as SX4 D and is heavier than Sx4. Suspension is among the best as the official review. Niggles, havent read of any, recently on the forum.
Colleague's Punto had pre-delivery niggles.

Punto 90HP: This is a good choice if you dont want a boot.
Heard 90PS isn't all that more powerful when compared to the 75PS in real world conditions.

Sunny:The dealer-management tussle should be a temporary issue. This is a true work horse and will last you many years. Seriously consider this one. Drive experience is not too bad that you should abandon it.
Will reconsider

Scala: Is it priced above the Sunny ? Go for it if you like the shape better.
There isn't much difference apart from the shape right??

Classic:Ruled out but no real reason, is it not cheap compared to the competition ?
Cheap??Yes.But my dad has driven and he feels its a bit underpowered.We are comparing with an SX4 1.6 which is pretty decent on power.Low GC an issue ain't it??

New Fiesta: Over priced ?
By a huge margin.But I expect some delicious discounts!!

Duster: See if you can get the delivery sooner. Don't abandon it just because of waiting.
Will relook Duster but the 85ps RX(o) option will cross 11L OTR na
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Vento Diesel : -1 (Too noisy inside and outside after 2 years, too high on maintenance even compared to Hyundai, Good Interiors, good suspension)
"Too high on maintenence",please elaborate.Do you own one??Thanks!!

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I belive Sx4 ZDi variant fits your bill and your requirements a 110%, it has a High GC, ages very well, a well supported Maruti Service Network, a competent & powerful engine (has very good in gear figures), in gear acceleration matches both Vento & Rapid. If you are okay with replacing an Sx4 with another Sx4 & that it is an ageing car which is more towards the end of its life cycle curve then i guess Sx4 is the best option for you.

Agreed


Fiat has been struggling & struggling very badly, in fact if this year is to go by, i dont really think Fiat are even concentrating upon sales. There after sales is right at the bottom of the heap with Skoda (Thanks in no small way to Tata), have failed to produce quality niggle free products on a consistent basis & well have the worst re-sale value of the lot. Zero Turbo lag i thought Punto 75 hp has a very bad turbo lag, oh well !! just my opinion !!

I drive a Cruze which has a severe turbo-lag.Punto felt better when comppared to it.


Again Service is an issue with Ford, looks really weird with that rear. Engine and handling are very good, has very good features & gizmos too, this one can be an option too for you.

Ford service isn't too bad here in Chennai



If waiting periods can be managed and an SUV is not an hindrance, then i'd say go for Duster. A very good all-round car. I too wanted to go for a Duster, but since i needed a car fast i could not afford the long waiting periods. Service remains an unknown commodity, very thin dealer network as well.

Duster variant with ABS/Airbags out of budget.What car did you buy finally??
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Guys,need your help here.We need a new car and we need it fast.
Budget:10-11Lakhs.
Running:25k kms/year.So Diesel!!
Requirements:Safety,Adequate power,High GC,Reliability.
Road conditions:City,highway and giant crater filled "roads."
The car replaces a SX4 ZXI.
Finally we don't want to sell off the car for peanuts after 4years/1Lakh kms!!
With the said requirements, and considering the fact that you are moving in from a SX4, I feel the Linea maybe a good option (or the Punto if you don’t really need a boot). But I am not so sure about the resale value bit after 4 years

Check out the new Fiesta as well. Sales dud for sure, but the car is well equipped and should fit in your requirement well. Ford normally have good discounts at this time of the year. And this probably maybe the best driver's car in this segment. Fellow bhpian MAS should be able to advice you more on the Fiesta, and how it behaves in Chennai roads.

On pure reliability front, Sunny/Scala should do the job.
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I went with the Sx4 Celebration Edition, got a very good deal on the car, Celebration Edition of your not aware is everything that the ZDi is with some very minor (almost negligible) additions, just that it had a 50K discount on its ex-showroom price. Ex-Showroom price was about 10K higher than the ZDi variant. Costed me 9.6 OTR with UP registration.
Very satisfied with the car, its a no non-sense car, niggle free, adequately powered (even though it has a 90hp heart). The Engine has been tuned excellently by Maruti and the gear box is superb as well. Excellent diesel car for city drives, also holds ground decently well for highways i'd say.

Wanted to go for Duster too, a few negatives which i found on it:
1. 110 hp model has a noticeable turbo-lag, surprisingly the 85 hp one doesn't have that big a turbo-lag.
2. 85 hp model does not have too much on the safety front. 110 hp model was stretching the budget by quite a bit
3. And the biggest one: Wifey does not like SUV's


I think you should TD the Sx4, Sunny & the Duster, you should be able to find your perfect car !!!

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I went with the Sx4 Celebration Edition, got a very good deal on the car, Celebration Edition of your not aware is everything that the ZDi is with some very minor (almost negligible) additions, just that it had a 50K discount on its ex-showroom price. Ex-Showroom price was about 10K higher than the ZDi variant. Costed me 9.6 OTR with UP registration.
Very satisfied with the car, its a no non-sense car, niggle free, adequately powered (even though it has a 90hp heart). The Engine has been tuned excellently by Maruti and the gear box is superb as well. Excellent diesel car for city drives, also holds ground decently well for highways i'd say.

Wanted to go for Duster too, a few negatives which i found on it:
1. 110 hp model has a noticeable turbo-lag, surprisingly the 85 hp one doesn't have that big a turbo-lag.
2. 85 hp model does not have too much on the safety front. 110 hp model was stretching the budget by quite a bit
3. And the biggest one: Wifey does not like SUV's


I think you should TD the Sx4, Sunny & the Duster, you should be able to find your perfect car !!!
Well,you can't go wrong with a Maruti Suzuki.You made a very practical choice.Seriously,this is one car than can run for 6 years minimum if maintained well.
Small correction-There is an optional variant in duster that comes kitted with all the safety features.

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