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Old 5th August 2014, 08:26   #826
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A small correction, with increased ground clearance on the Linea the suspension is stiffer and not softer. Due to this the low speed ride quality is stiff but as the speeds rise the ride quality improves and is very good. But the Fiesta has struck a balance between both low speed ride and higher speed rides.

When I last checked out the brakes on the Linea had more bite than new Fiesta. But compared to the other cars in the segment, both Linea and Fiesta have better braking ability, bite and feedback.
I meant softer in comparison to the Fiesta. Also, I know the Linea soaks bumps and potholes like a D segment sedan, but I clearly mentioned that I rated them with respect to the poise they have. Take both cars out on the highway, I am not saying the Linea is bad (infact quite impressive given the gc), but the Fiesta feels a bit more planted.

Never argued about the brakes mate, infact I voted the Linea the best in this department
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I have not driven the Linea, but from my experience the driving dynamics and handling of the Fiesta is much better than the Vento. For the passengers, the Vento provide a better experience, and overall feels more airy and spacious. And it does have a nice and powerful engine, but from a driver's POV I liked the Fiesta for its steering, handling, supportive front seats, and an easier clutch.
I respect your opinion (and also that of Anshuman and Ishaan) and have no intention to contest, but my support still goes for the Linea Tjet as far as ride comfort, steering feedback and handling is concerned.

Kindly go through the following comments :

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Urban ride quality is still excellent, despite the 16 inch wheels, which is saying a lot. The suspension’s calibration is sheer brilliance, with the T-Jet behaving like a thoroughly mature European sedan. At speed, you won't even need to slow down for broken roads. Best part is, the ride stays completely flat on highways; this factor greatly enhances comfort levels (no unnecessary vertical movement at the rear) for passengers. Of course, the regular Linea with 15 inch wheels is noticeably plusher. For instance, the T-Jet is unable to cushion its occupants from sharp bumps, something the regular Linea does very well. Though the T-Jet rides perceptibly firmer than her 15 inch wheel'ed sister, my rating to the ride quality remains "best in class". I've always maintained that the Linea / Punto sport the best hydraulic steering below 10 lakhs, and things are no different with the T-Jet. In fact, with 16 inch wheels wearing lower profile tyres, turn in is even sharper than the regular car. The steering is firm at 0 kph parking manouveurs, medium-light within the city and weighs in supremely well at speed. Feel & accuracy at expressway speeds are so good that I wanted to steal the demo car's steering and frame it up in my bedroom!! Fiat's pure hydraulic steering is an absolute joy to use. The chassis' poise & grip levels around fast sweeping corners are immaculate. Where other cars would be backing off the throttle, you can either hold the same pace or feed in some more accelerator in a completely evil manner. Keep the throttle nailed through that 100 kph corner and the car doesn’t exhibit a hint of nervousness. On the limit, understeer will set in, but its progressive and completely predictable. Highway stability at 150 kph is the best in the segment, with the Linea moving like a tijori-on-wheels. The T-jet gets 5 mm more ground clearance from the larger wheel + tyre combination. With 5 adults + weekend luggage onboard, we scraped only once over an unduly large speed breaker on the 180 kms drive from Dadar -> Nasik.

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• Stunning looks & "vault-like" build
• Turbo-charged petrol makes the Linea extremely satisfying to drive
• Best-in-class ride comfort, handling & dynamics package
• Perfectly calibrated & weighted power steering
• A+ braking capability. All-round disc brakes a segment first
• Top level of equipment (including leather seats, Blue&Me, rear air-con and more)

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I would have a different saying towards it. I have been driving Ford for a long time starting from the Ikon, Figo and the Fiesta and can vouch for the terrific handling and manoeuvrability it offers. The Punto and Linea can be good in highways but the ergonomics, ride quality and handling is better in Ford cars. But then again opinion differs.

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Sorry to disagree with your opinion. The Linea provides the best handling, ride comfort and driving dynamics, closely followed by the Vento. Kindly go through the Linea Tjet review by GTO for confirmation.
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I would have a different saying towards it. I have been driving Ford for a long time starting from the Ikon, Figo and the Fiesta and can vouch for the terrific handling and manoeuvrability it offers. The Punto and Linea can be good in highways but the ergonomics, ride quality and handling is better in Ford cars. But then again opinion differs.
There is no issue in having a difference in opinion; you have driven the Ford extensively so you support it and I drive a Linea so I would very naturally support it. But when a person like GTO gives an opinion about a car, that opinion needs to be given it's due weightage.
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There is no issue in having a difference in opinion; you have driven the Ford extensively so you support it and I drive a Linea so I would very naturally support it. But when a person like GTO gives an opinion about a car, that opinion needs to be given it's due weightage.
Every one has right to state their opinion, and for something like a car's ride and handling everyone will have differing opinions due to differing tastes, experiences and expertise.

I may like Fiesta's Handling or Linea's Ride, but i never expect anyone else to take it as final judgement. I will never try to force my opinion on anyone. Similarly in regards to your repeated references from GTO's review, he mentioned what he felt about the car, now if others here have a differing opinion on the same, What's wrong about it?
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I will never try to force my opinion on anyone. Similarly in regards to your repeated references from GTO's review, he mentioned what he felt about the car, now if others here have a differing opinion on the same, What's wrong about it?
Well if you think that I was trying to force my opinion on anyone, I'm "SORRY", but I don't think I was in any way trying to do that, I was only reiterating my opinion.

Secondly I agree that the opinion of GTO (or for that matter any moderator) is not binding on anyone. But at the same time the opinion given by the moderators during the official review of a car carry much more weightage than my personal views about the car.

I make peace and will not post any further on this debate or refer to GTO's opinion, but would you be kind enough to explain what mistake has been committed from my side that you had to post such strong words.
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Similarly in regards to your repeated references from GTO's review, he mentioned what he felt about the car, now if others here have a differing opinion on the same, What's wrong about it?
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I respect your opinion (and also that of Anshuman and Ishaan) and have no intention to contest, but my support still goes for the Linea Tjet as far as ride comfort, steering feedback and handling is concerned.

Kindly go through the following comments :
Just a small point to add. GTO's points on the Linea T-JET handling were put up before Ford launched the Fiesta in 2011. The T-JEt was reviewed a year earlier to the Fiesta.

So comments such as best class hold true but only for cars compared during the time. Now Ford has the Fiesta and VW has the 1.2TSI engine in the Vento.
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The Mother of all Shootout's !

http://www.motorbeam.com/cars/honda-...apid-vs-scala/

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Gentlemen! My 2 cents!

Ford Fiesta:

Likes:
Nice styling, Dual Clutch gear box, equipment

Dislikes:
Bad rear seat, not so lively engine performance (earlier Fiesta was better), Average A.S.S

Linea T-JET:

Likes:
Equipment, Ride and Handling, Performance, GREAT After Sales Service!!

Dislikes:
Could have had a better drivers seat, the dead pedal is badly placed

Overall the Linea T-JET is a better car by a long way!!!

Cheers!!!
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Good article. Covers almost everything and I agree with most of the points. Would be great if they will do another one with Ciaz in it after its launch. Somehow I feel if Fiesta had better rear seat space and comfort it could have topped the comparison.

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IMO, Verna is not the diesel king, the Vento is. Amazing driveability, decent suspension setup and planted stance makes it diesel king for me. Linea loses on sheer power and City on poor refinement.
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Honda City is a car that is typically Japanese.
-Does a few things brilliantly, most other things satisfactorily and with almost no dealbreakers.
-Fiesta+ more back seat space=The best car
-Toyota should understand that they're missing a lot. A Toyota holds as much brand pull as any other top brand in India today. Get the Vios in.

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Gentlemen! My 2 cents!

Ford Fiesta:

Likes:
Nice styling, Dual Clutch gear box, equipment
DCT is no more offered with the Fiesta.
No petrol version is sold with the new Fiesta.
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Linea T-JET:

Likes:
Equipment, Ride and Handling, Performance, GREAT After Sales Service!!
Fiat service is still not at the level of MSIL, Hyundai, Honda ot Toyota. It's good and improving(as my friend says), but TBHP reviews show a little inconsistency overall. Still, it's taking a step in the right direction as many people indicate!
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The dual clutch is not available any more. The new Fiesta is available only in diesel and manual (no AT).
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The Mother of all Shootout's !
Thank You PPS,

IMP they covered all aspects pretty well and looking at sheer numbers we all know that the 2014 City is a winner combined with the " H " value and other aspects highlighted in the comparison. However off-late from the multiple ownership reviews pouring in on Team BHP and also from the official review thread quality has surely taken a backseat in Honda's agenda and we need to see how the car keeps up with age as all the cars currently are just a few months old and yet to take up some abuse which might bring up some more issues to see the light.

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