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Old 12th October 2014, 18:22   #886
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My father has again gone mad about his dream car Maruti Gypsy. He loves travelling, and would take his car for long drives in the hilly areas sometimes. He has an awful liking for 4x4s. When told about Scorpio and Safari and all other diesel SUVs, he doubts whether they are as reliable and fun-to-drive as a high revving petrol engine. Guys please help

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The Gypsy is fun in the hills, but a pain on highways. I suggest that he try the Thar or the Scorpio S4 4x4. Both the Mahindra vehicles are quite robust and can be repaired where ever Gypsy can be. My personal preference, in this case, is Scorpio as it has a hard top.

Another option is the Duster 4x4. Its ride is the best of all the vehicles, so is its GC and its FE. Unless you want to travel completely off the road, the Duster 4x4 is the best option.
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Old 12th October 2014, 18:50   #887
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Almost hell-bent on buying the Ford Classic. Can you BHPians tell me about the car's problems?.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/long-t...a-1-6-sxi.html

This thread can help.
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Almost hell-bent on buying the Ford Classic. Can you BHPians tell me about the car's problems?
As this is gonna be our first car, dad doesn't want to stretch the budget too much.

And yes, he plans to buy a Maruti Gypsy MG413W someday, a *pre-worshipped* one.

The issue with the Classic aka the rebadged Ford Fiesta is that, it simply is getting too old.

Considering that you live in a relatively isolated region, why not try for the Swift ZDi DDiS in torque blue?

Looks hip, yes, the turbo kick is very much present, and oh-so-taut handling in the ghats.

Well, why not? Considering that this will be your very first car, it is easy to maintain, and provides a more than adequate turn of speed as well (100 MPH/160 KMPH capable. Okay, make that 155 KMPH. Do you really need anything more?). And yes, try and bargain for the current one if need be. The facelift is just around the corner.

I would refrain from a Linea T-Jet and other oh-so-legendary cars, as they are simply wasted on newbie drivers. It is better off, one learns the tricks of the trade from a car that can be battered, rather than a car you cannot ever think of battering.

Another thing to note is that a 100 km distance can become too inconvenient for going to a service. Trust me, I hardly ever get time to clean the air filters, forget about sending the car for a service.

It is better to keep things simple, rather than needlessly making up things to be complex.

Uh oh, you mentioned that YOU are the petrolhead. Are you going to drive the car? No. So, why complicate things?

Sometimes, it can be better to go for a diesel, even if not mandated. The 1.3 MultiJet/DDiS is not a Mercedes Benz OM621, for goodness sake. Diesels have come a long way from 'em clattery monsters that refused to start and be revved beyond a limit.

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not recommend the VW Polo GT TSI? My dad was very pleased with its TSI engine, DSG Gearbox and the safety-first approach of VW. As the Polo is a .
if I recall correctly, in recent crash tests, the Indian specification Polo was adjudged to be a failure. It is an altogether another matter, that since then airbags have been introduced to all the models.

Go figure VW. Although, I feel that it still lags behind in other safety related aspects. Having an airbag in a (originally) mediocre design does not help, does it? Airbags do NOT make the occupants immune.

And yessir, 'em horror stories never seem to end, do they?

Mind you, I also suggest another car. The Tata Zest. An AMT, Petrol (The Revotron, at that), and the oh-so-reliable Fiat 1.3 MultiJet/Quadrajet, that refuses to come apart.

The 1.3 MultiJet is a first generation common rail diesel, that absolutely refuses to fail. A Swift I know just had its 450,000th click on the odo, 6 months back. The MultiJet was the engine of the year 2002, so that will make it what? 12 years old. Dated sure, but it sure knows how to do its job well.

The Revotron is a very recently released petrol mill, Turbo at that. Well, it might be hip, and everything, but note that it is an older gen petrol. To be precise, it is a two valve engine, and uses the Indica Xeta block, which has origins in an older Mercedes Benz design.

So, what have we got? Robust underpinnings in both the mills. Switchable modes (Sport, Economy et cetera ), and one heck of a design effort from Tata. Heck, conceal the Tata logo in the console, and have a look at it. Reminds you of a Teutonic design.

Did I mention excellent manners, and DRL's? And before I forget, most modern day petrols do not have insulation under the hood. The Tata Zest however, is an exception, and has proper insulation.

And I guess an ASC should be pretty close to your place. I think, it will satisfy all your requirements.

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I never said anything about diesel engines! I don't know why this quarrel arose out of the blue, from nowhere. I only said that I am much more into petrol engines. A sweet free revving petrol can never be compared to a diesel. Also, a study says that smoke coming out from diesel engines are much harmful for us than the petrol engine ones. The brain is affected to a good extent. Don't you care about emissions and what is happening to mother nature?
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if I recall correctly, in recent crash tests, the Indian specification Polo was adjudged to be a failure. It is an altogether another matter, that since then airbags have been introduced to all the models.

Go figure VW. Although, I feel that it still lags behind in other safety related aspects. Having an airbag in a (originally) mediocre design does not help, does it? Airbags do NOT make the occupants immune.
I request you abstain from posting incomplete information. Almost all the Indian cars without Airbags picked for the test failed the test, the Polo with the Airbags does perfectly fine in the tests.

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...ts-371115.aspx
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The VW Polo with two airbags, however, was the only car to score well at the Global NCAP test(the second test). It scored four stars for adult protection, whereas all the others (including the Polo without airbags) scored zero.
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The tests also showed that the Maruti Suzuki Alto 800, Tata Nano and Hyundai i10 proved to have inadequate structural integrity, resulting in damage of varying degrees, which can often result in life-threatening injuries or worse. Experts said that the extent of structural damage was such that fitting airbags would not make much of a difference in reducing the risk of serious injury in these cars . The Ford Figo and Volkswagen Polo’s structure remained intact, hence fitting them with airbags would improve their rating.

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I request you abstain from posting incomplete information. Almost all the Indian cars without Airbags picked for the test failed the test, the Polo with the Airbags does perfectly fine in the tests.

http://www.autocarindia.com/auto-new...ts-371115.aspx
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The Polo without airbags did get a zero. I did mean that.

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The Polo without airbags did get a zero. I did mean that.
So did the all other cars that were tested.

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Go figure VW. Although, I feel that it still lags behind in other safety related aspects. Having an airbag in a (originally) mediocre design does not help, does it? Airbags do NOT make the occupants immune.
But this was not the case. Polo's structure performed well, so when the Airbag equipped version was tested it scored 4 star rating!
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So did the all other cars that were tested.

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But this was not the case. Polo's structure performed well, so when the Airbag equipped version was tested it scored 4 star rating!
In the flow of writing I just happened to vent some of my anger against the VW group.....Ahem!

Mediocre. In terms of service ethics, yes.

4 awful service experiences, and counting, on a 2010 Vento. Ask me to justify a VW? Nope. I cannot.

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In the flow of writing I just happened to vent some of my anger against the VW group.....Ahem!

Mediocre. In terms of service ethics, yes.

4 awful service experiences, and counting, on a 2010 Vento. Ask me to justify a VW? Nope. I cannot.
So how do you compare the structure of a VW Polo to Toyota Liva? Toyota has excellent after sales support but does that make the structure of the 80's derived Jugaad any better.

I own a Skoda Laura, i agree VW group's service support is pathetic.

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I happened to drive a 2012 Fiat linea that had done 48000 kms. experience was at best lukewarm. Clutch pedal has a very long travel (Compared to my swift), very lazy acceleration before 2500 RPM. Always engine needs to be on boil (Which will bring down engine life for sure), driver seat had sunk down (Yes I know it is a sedan but the seat had gotten down further) and the gear was very notchy. My Swift that has run 125000 kms is in much better shape than the 2 year old Linea. what more can I say.
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I happened to drive a 2012 Fiat linea that had done 48000 kms. experience was at best lukewarm. Clutch pedal has a very long travel (Compared to my swift), very lazy acceleration before 2500 RPM. Always engine needs to be on boil (Which will bring down engine life for sure), driver seat had sunk down (Yes I know it is a sedan but the seat had gotten down further) and the gear was very notchy. My Swift that has run 125000 kms is in much better shape than the 2 year old Linea. what more can I say.
What more can you say? I say, the car is a badly maintained specimen. And the cause of the seat sinking, well, perhaps the driver needs to reduce his weight.

It is a known fact that the 1.3 MultiJet does need to be kept on the boil to some extent. But it really is'nt as awfulish as you describe.

As regards to the gearshift, it is a bit hard. I somehow like it that way.

And see, you've said that your Swift at 1.25k clicks is in much better shape than this particular Italian ballerina. Exactly! That nails it, the car is'nt well maintained.

Every car has its quirks, it is the package that matters. The Linea keeps going on-on and on.

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Please watch the video 'Only Volkswagen can build a Volkswagen'. Every person who thinks that VW cars are not robust and safe and have mediocre design, should watch this. Also VW has a TVC which shows a man buying a car for his daughter, and checks the safety features of the Polo GT.
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if I recall correctly, in recent crash tests, the Indian specification Polo was adjudged to be a failure. It is an altogether another matter, that since then airbags have been introduced to all the models.

Go figure VW. Although, I feel that it still lags behind in other safety related aspects. Having an airbag in a (originally) mediocre design does not help, does it? Airbags do NOT make the occupants immune.
Please check out the official review thread of the GT TSI. Safety-first approach according to me is not only fitting a car with airbags. The Polo GT TSI has ESP, Hill-hold, collision cross-bars and loads more of safety features.


And yes, in an earlier post you said that only I am the petrolhead. It is partially incorrect. My father might not be a gearhead, or a member of Team-BHP, but certainly is someone who loves a sweet and refined engine. He is also a passionate biker and loves his RE Classic 350 like hell. Infact, my love for wheels was born when he gifted me a Hotwheels in a very young age. Also, many BHPians also said that the car which we would buy would double up as a second car when I become a legal driver. So no 'uh-oh' stuff in this case.
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The Gypsy is fun in the hills, but a pain on highways. I suggest that he try the Thar or the Scorpio S4 4x4. Both the Mahindra vehicles are quite robust and can be repaired where ever Gypsy can be. My personal preference, in this case, is Scorpio as it has a hard top.

Another option is the Duster 4x4. Its ride is the best of all the vehicles, so is its GC and its FE. Unless you want to travel completely off the road, the Duster 4x4 is the best option.
Thanks Aroy. The new Scorpio is really eye-catching. I spotted a test mule near Kolkata some days ago. But again the same problem, only available in diesel.
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